The Kobe thread (Formerly Kobe to be traded by Oct 30)

[Soul]

The Kobe Bryant-to-Chicago trade talks are very real, and they've been real for a while.

 

The Los Angeles Lakers and Chicago Bulls have been having daily discussions about Bryant trade possibilities for at least the past week, with Bryant's no-trade clause throwing a unique wrench into the situation, according to sources.

 

The Lakers are asking for a package built around Luol Deng, Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas and Joakim Noah, which is more than Chicago is willing to surrender. Also, Bryant would not want to play in Chicago if the Bulls surrendered all four of those players, believing there would not be enough talent left to compete for a championship, and he would veto that trade even if the Bulls and Lakers were both in favor of it.

 

One source said the Bulls' supposed opposition to including Deng in any deal had been overstated in recent media reports.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3082513

 

Until the Lakers back off their demands some, this won't happen.

 

Good that is an absolutely ridiculous asking price. I'd love Kobe, but absolutely no way in hell for that price.

 

+1

 

There's no reason for us to make that trade, it's ridiculous. Without Kobe, we're still an exciting young team with a good shot at going deep in the playoffs in the East.

 

On the other hand, without trading Kobe the Lakers are pretty much guaranteed of maxxing out at one-and-done in the West.

 

It's the Lakers who are more desperate for this trade, not us. Let's not act like it's the other way around, 'cuz it isn't.

 

Besides, I don't buy that we're done developing yet. I don't buy into this crap about Tyrus Thomas not having a good preseason. It's PRESEASON. He'll be improved this year, and even more next year. I'm sure of it. I also think Deng has more upside to explore. We could conceivably be better this year than last year, and I don't see anyone else improved in the East at all, other than Boston but I don't think they'll have the bench to compete late in the year.

[Derwood]

well, as that desipio post said, it's more about matching salaries than talent. salaries HAVE to match for an NBA trade to go through, and you have all these limitations on Hinrich and Nocioni. it's sorta ridiculous how hard it is to make it happen

[jiml60]

Yeah, that's why I think if anything happens it probably won't be until after Dec 15, when Nocioni is available to trade.

[Jon]

Not Kobe related, but with the lack of posts at SCB right now, it's worth noting that due to a rumored format change of WCKG switching to a Spanish station, the Bulls have signed a 5-year radio deal with ESPN 1000.

[BigSlick]

Thats good news that LA is high on Noc. To me he is nothign special...the David Eckstein of the NBA.

 

Come now, he's way better than David Eckstein in their respective sports. Eckstein would be that guard that doesn't score a lot but "plays good defense" and does "all the things that don't show up in the stat book."

[Derwood]

Thats good news that LA is high on Noc. To me he is nothign special...the David Eckstein of the NBA.

 

Come now, he's way better than David Eckstein in their respective sports. Eckstein would be that guard that doesn't score a lot but "plays good defense" and does "all the things that don't show up in the stat book."

 

Chris Duhon?

[Sweep The Leg Johnny]

Thats good news that LA is high on Noc. To me he is nothign special...the David Eckstein of the NBA.

 

Come now, he's way better than David Eckstein in their respective sports. Eckstein would be that guard that doesn't score a lot but "plays good defense" and does "all the things that don't show up in the stat book."

 

Completely agree, not a good comparison at all. Yeah Nocci is a scrappy player, but that's where the comparisons stop.

 

Nocci doesn't need to score a lot on this bulls team. He's probably the 4th scoring option after Gordon, Deng and Hinrich. He helps with his intangibles, but he could become a bigger part of the offense if needed.

[Keener98]

Supposedly Paxson wants a face to face with Deng and Gordon to talk about extensions supposedly set at 5 years 50 million

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-071028bulls,1,1460481.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

[David]

The ideal scenario is that Deng is signed and Gordon isn't.

 

That would basically mean that BG is still available for a Kobe trade while Deng would effectively be off limits.

[Andy]

Thats good news that LA is high on Noc. To me he is nothign special...the David Eckstein of the NBA.

 

Come now, he's way better than David Eckstein in their respective sports. Eckstein would be that guard that doesn't score a lot but "plays good defense" and does "all the things that don't show up in the stat book."

 

Chris Duhon?

Bingo.

[Garwilly]

The ideal scenario is that Deng is signed and Gordon isn't.

 

That would basically mean that BG is still available for a Kobe trade while Deng would effectively be off limits.

 

It doesnt matter who signs and who doesnt. If they sign, the Base Year Deal, is NEXT season. If wouldnt put any restiction on Deng.

[David]

The ideal scenario is that Deng is signed and Gordon isn't.

 

That would basically mean that BG is still available for a Kobe trade while Deng would effectively be off limits.

 

It doesnt matter who signs and who doesnt. If they sign, the Base Year Deal, is NEXT season. If wouldnt put any restiction on Deng.

 

Poison pill provision.

[USSoccer]

See, it's discussions like this one that make the NBA CBA and it's contracts stupid as hell.

 

Poison Pill provision. Base year compensation. Matching salaries. Guaranteed contracts. Larry Bird exceptions.

 

It's seriously stupid. Dumber than any major sport.

[Guest]

Everyone here is now convinced Kobe is gone as soon as possible. With his NTC, it seems like Chicago and Dallas are his only options and the Lakers won't trade with Dallas.

[Garwilly]

The ideal scenario is that Deng is signed and Gordon isn't.

 

That would basically mean that BG is still available for a Kobe trade while Deng would effectively be off limits.

 

It doesnt matter who signs and who doesnt. If they sign, the Base Year Deal, is NEXT season. If wouldnt put any restiction on Deng.

 

Poison pill provision.

 

Yeah, the PPP means his contract would be counted as a higher amount, meaning The Bulls couldnt through Griifin (for example) in with the trade. Frankly, I think the knowledge of what he will be getting for the next 5 years would be worth it to the Lakers.

 

(I do not want Deng sent over at all)

[David]

The ideal scenario is that Deng is signed and Gordon isn't.

 

That would basically mean that BG is still available for a Kobe trade while Deng would effectively be off limits.

 

It doesnt matter who signs and who doesnt. If they sign, the Base Year Deal, is NEXT season. If wouldnt put any restiction on Deng.

 

Poison pill provision.

 

Yeah, the PPP means his contract would be counted as a higher amount, meaning The Bulls couldnt through Griifin (for example) in with the trade. Frankly, I think the knowledge of what he will be getting for the next 5 years would be worth it to the Lakers.

 

(I do not want Deng sent over at all)

 

It would be counted as a higher amount for the Lakers as incoming salary and a lower amount for the Bulls as outgoing. Makes things pretty difficult in terms of working out the salaries, from what I understand.

[ChiCubsFan]

How do the injuries to Thomas, Noah, and Wallace affect the Kobe trade? Either Thomas or Noah (along with Hinrich and/or Gordon plus draft picks) would certainly be involved in any deal for Kobe.

[Soul]

Everyone here is now convinced Kobe is gone as soon as possible. With his NTC, it seems like Chicago and Dallas are his only options and the Lakers won't trade with Dallas.

 

Gordon OR Deng, not both. If it's both, I'm going to throw things, stomp my feet, and generally act like a sissy. :P

[David]

How do the injuries to Thomas, Noah, and Wallace affect the Kobe trade? Either Thomas or Noah (along with Hinrich and/or Gordon plus draft picks) would certainly be involved in any deal for Kobe.

 

I don't think minor injuries like those would affect anything at all.

[Guest]

Everyone here is now convinced Kobe is gone as soon as possible. With his NTC, it seems like Chicago and Dallas are his only options and the Lakers won't trade with Dallas.

 

Gordon OR Deng, not both. If it's both, I'm going to throw things, stomp my feet, and generally act like a sissy. :P

 

Gordon. No or Deng.

[David]

Everyone here is now convinced Kobe is gone as soon as possible. With his NTC, it seems like Chicago and Dallas are his only options and the Lakers won't trade with Dallas.

 

Gordon OR Deng, not both. If it's both, I'm going to throw things, stomp my feet, and generally act like a sissy. :P

 

Gordon. No or Deng.

 

I was about to post the exact same thing.

 

What do you do if you give them Deng and not Gordon?

 

Play Kobe at the 3 and Gordon at 2? Doesn't exactly seem realistic or anywhere near ideal, especially on defense. Would Kobe even want to play the 3?

 

Noc at 3, Kobe at 2, and Gordon as the sixth man? I guess, but that's nowhere near ideal. Especially not with Noc and that mysterious injury (I'm surprised we made the financial commitment to him that we did).

 

The deal has to be Gordon and filler. Or Gordon and Noc and filler (after Dec 15th).

[Banedon]

Everyone here is now convinced Kobe is gone as soon as possible. With his NTC, it seems like Chicago and Dallas are his only options and the Lakers won't trade with Dallas.

 

Gordon OR Deng, not both. If it's both, I'm going to throw things, stomp my feet, and generally act like a sissy. :P

 

So no change in demeanor for you then...got it...

 

I kid I kid!!! :D

[Derwood]

See, it's discussions like this one that make the NBA CBA and it's contracts stupid as hell.

 

Poison Pill provision. Base year compensation. Matching salaries. Guaranteed contracts. Larry Bird exceptions.

 

It's seriously stupid. Dumber than any major sport.

 

at least they have their rooke salary system right. imagine if guys like LeBron could have held out for big contracts in training camp

[ChiCubsFan]

I have a feeling this is gonna go down today. My guess would be Hinrich, Gordon, Thomas, and Khryapa. The salaries won't match unless Hinrich or Wallace are included. Kobe said he wants to play with Wallace and the Lakers would prefer Hinrich over Wallace. I did the trade on ESPN's Trade Machine and the only way the salary would work is if Khryapa and Thomas (instead of Noah) were included.

 

Starting lineup of Thabo, Kobe, Deng, Noc/Smith/Noah/Gray, Wallace wouldn't be too bad. Duhon (who sucks) and whoever doesn't start at PF off the bench.

 

It would be a lot easier to do a deal after Dec. 15th (when Noc and/or Joe Smith can be included).

 

That way, a more realistic trade of Noc, Gordon, Thomas (or Noah), and filler would work.

[Derwood]

can you do a PTBNL in the NBA and send Noc after the 15th?

 

also, do draft picks count towards matching salaries, or are they just a wildcard?