The Kobe thread (Formerly Kobe to be traded by Oct 30)

[Derwood]

i'm not as high on Deng as some others are. I think you have to keep him, but he'll never be a superstar. if you want to make an analogy, he Deng might be Scottie Pippen, but until he has a Michael Jordan to play with him, he'll never lead the team anywhere

 

 

If by superstar you mean 30 points etc no he wont be. Deng can and will average 20-25 points 5-7 boards which is pretty damn good. You put Kobe on this team with Deng, and I think the 2 of them would work beautifully together. Dengs ability to slash to the basket would finally be used how it should.

 

right. Kobe would be his "jordan" which would allow Deng to be fantastic in the "pippen" role. but we saw what pippen did with the team when jordan wasn't around (hint: nothing)

[Keener98]

i'm not as high on Deng as some others are. I think you have to keep him, but he'll never be a superstar. if you want to make an analogy, he Deng might be Scottie Pippen, but until he has a Michael Jordan to play with him, he'll never lead the team anywhere

 

 

If by superstar you mean 30 points etc no he wont be. Deng can and will average 20-25 points 5-7 boards which is pretty damn good. You put Kobe on this team with Deng, and I think the 2 of them would work beautifully together. Dengs ability to slash to the basket would finally be used how it should.

 

right. Kobe would be his "jordan" which would allow Deng to be fantastic in the "pippen" role. but we saw what pippen did with the team when jordan wasn't around (hint: nothing)

 

 

I was with you up untill the bolded. Pippen led the Bulls to the Eastern Confernce Finals in the 1st year without MJ, and then got bent over on a call that kept him from leading that team to the NBA Finals.

[Andy]

i'm not as high on Deng as some others are. I think you have to keep him, but he'll never be a superstar. if you want to make an analogy, he Deng might be Scottie Pippen, but until he has a Michael Jordan to play with him, he'll never lead the team anywhere

 

 

If by superstar you mean 30 points etc no he wont be. Deng can and will average 20-25 points 5-7 boards which is pretty damn good. You put Kobe on this team with Deng, and I think the 2 of them would work beautifully together. Dengs ability to slash to the basket would finally be used how it should.

 

right. Kobe would be his "jordan" which would allow Deng to be fantastic in the "pippen" role. but we saw what pippen did with the team when jordan wasn't around (hint: nothing)

 

 

I was with you up untill the bolded. Pippen led the Bulls to the Eastern Confernce Finals in the 1st year without MJ, and then got bent over on a call that kept him from leading that team to the NBA Finals.

Yeah, I can't remember who won the 1994 MVP but I can't imagine anyone deserving it more than Pippen in 1994 - the Bulls didn't have very much around him that year.

 

And yeah, this team blows. When Joe freaking Smith is the only one who shows up for the 2nd half, bad things happen.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

i'm not as high on Deng as some others are. I think you have to keep him, but he'll never be a superstar. if you want to make an analogy, he Deng might be Scottie Pippen, but until he has a Michael Jordan to play with him, he'll never lead the team anywhere

 

 

If by superstar you mean 30 points etc no he wont be. Deng can and will average 20-25 points 5-7 boards which is pretty damn good. You put Kobe on this team with Deng, and I think the 2 of them would work beautifully together. Dengs ability to slash to the basket would finally be used how it should.

 

right. Kobe would be his "jordan" which would allow Deng to be fantastic in the "pippen" role. but we saw what pippen did with the team when jordan wasn't around (hint: nothing)

 

 

I was with you up untill the bolded. Pippen led the Bulls to the Eastern Confernce Finals in the 1st year without MJ, and then got bent over on a call that kept him from leading that team to the NBA Finals.

 

He actually led them to the semi-finals, where they lost to the Knicks. The Knicks went on to play the Pacers in the Eastern Conference Finals. He did, however, lead them to a 55-win season and within one game of the Eastern Conference finals, a game which, as you noted, was decided by a bad call.

 

I don't think that this team, as constructed and with Deng as its leader, will ever be capable of a 55-win season like that Pippen-led team was. Maybe they'll find their way into the Eastern Conference Finals because of the lack of a really dominant team in the East, but until they get someone who can score consistently rather than the frustratingly inconsistent scoring patterns of Hinrich and Gordon, they won't reach that elite level.

[USSoccer]

Deng isn't anywhere near as athletic as Pippen. Deng needs players around him to set him up.

[Guest]

i'm not as high on Deng as some others are. I think you have to keep him, but he'll never be a superstar. if you want to make an analogy, he Deng might be Scottie Pippen, but until he has a Michael Jordan to play with him, he'll never lead the team anywhere

 

 

If by superstar you mean 30 points etc no he wont be. Deng can and will average 20-25 points 5-7 boards which is pretty damn good. You put Kobe on this team with Deng, and I think the 2 of them would work beautifully together. Dengs ability to slash to the basket would finally be used how it should.

 

right. Kobe would be his "jordan" which would allow Deng to be fantastic in the "pippen" role. but we saw what pippen did with the team when jordan wasn't around (hint: nothing)

 

 

I was with you up untill the bolded. Pippen led the Bulls to the Eastern Confernce Finals in the 1st year without MJ, and then got bent over on a call that kept him from leading that team to the NBA Finals.

Yeah, I can't remember who won the 1994 MVP but I can't imagine anyone deserving it more than Pippen in 1994 - the Bulls didn't have very much around him that year.

 

And yeah, this team blows. When Joe freaking Smith is the only one who shows up for the 2nd half, bad things happen.

 

Olajuwon won it but Pipped was more than deserving. Pippen was great without Jordan those 1.75 years.

[Guest]

Are there still Bulls fans who think this team is championship caliber going strictly with their "core" group?

John Paxson?

 

Probably not.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Are there still Bulls fans who think this team is championship caliber going strictly with their "core" group?

John Paxson?

 

Probably not.

 

Then how come he refuses to trade any of this "core"?

[Guest]

Are there still Bulls fans who think this team is championship caliber going strictly with their "core" group?

John Paxson?

 

Probably not.

 

Then how come he refuses to trade any of this "core"?

 

He obviously wasn't refusing since he went so far as offering the best player in the group - Deng - in a trade for Kobe.

[Guest]

I think that anybody who wants to trade for Kobe should be forced to take on Kwame Brown as well. It's only fair.

 

Id take on Kwame Brown, if it meant the Lakers take Ben Wallace. Seriously, Im tired of hearing about him being hurt. If hes hurt then get his ass off the floor, as hes doing nothing to help us win games. Going into last nights game, Ben Gordon had 20 defensive rebounds thru 3 games compared to 3 for Ben Wallace. Yes you read that right, Ben Wallace had 3 damn defensive rebounds in 3 games, what a joke. Also, somebody needs to tell Ben Gordon the season has started as well.

 

And why in the hell did Noc only play 10 mins last night? Seriously Skiles wake the hell up, and start playing your best players, and stop putting dumbass lineups out there.

 

The one decent thing that came of last nights games, was at least Hinrich looked like an NBA player again, although his shooting and shot selection still suck.

 

Definitely no thanks on Ben Wallace. I'd rather be stuck with Brown.

[Soul]

They put up the stats that showed Gordon had 10X the rebounds that Wallace had. That's when I rolled my eyes and turned off the game.

 

I didn't even need to watch last night to know they'd lose. That's how horrible it has become. I don't know what the hell they think they're doing, but it's turning into a trainwreck in record time.

 

They're going to lose the next game, too. Are you really ready for what? 0-7? 1-10?

 

Oh, I think it's long past time to panic.

[Keener98]

Hey, the Bulls won, holy crap! Tyru Thomas is going to be special, I dont want him traded at all. Trade Noah, etc... just keep Tyrus and Deng.

[illiniguy]

Hey, the Bulls won, holy crap! Tyru Thomas is going to be special, I dont want him traded at all. Trade Noah, etc... just keep Tyrus and Deng.

I like Thomas too, but he ain't gonna ever be as "special" as Kobe is right now. You want to win a title, or at least play for it, you might have to make the trade.

 

Also from earlier didn't Robinson win the MVP in 94? Or was he in 95?

[Soul]

If TT plays well and it causes the Lakers to take him instead of Deng, I'm on board with that.

[Guest]

If TT plays well and it causes the Lakers to take him instead of Deng, I'm on board with that.

I think I'd rather have TT than Deng, to be honest.

[Andy]

If TT plays well and it causes the Lakers to take him instead of Deng, I'm on board with that.

I think I'd rather have TT than Deng, to be honest.

At the rate TT is improving, yeah, I'd have to agree with that. He looks on his way to becoming a legitimate 16/10 guy in only year 2.

[SouthSideRyan]

If TT plays well and it causes the Lakers to take him instead of Deng, I'm on board with that.

I think I'd rather have TT than Deng, to be honest.

At the rate TT is improving, yeah, I'd have to agree with that. He looks on his way to becoming a legitimate 16/10 guy in only year 2.

 

Of course, LaMarcus already is.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Tyrus Thomas' athleticism still amazes me. He got way up there on that blocked shot in the fourth quarter. Has anyone else noticed some improvement in his ball handling ability? It also seems like he has developed his shot a little bit more. I felt like last year all you could rely on him for offensively was catching the ball near the basket and slamming it in. It seems like he is starting to become a more multi-dimensional offensive player. Until further notice, he and Smith should be getting the majority of the playing time at 4 and 5.

 

That said, I would still include him in a deal for Kobe, albeit reluctantly.

[Derwood]

Tyrus Thomas' athleticism still amazes me. He got way up there on that blocked shot in the fourth quarter. Has anyone else noticed some improvement in his ball handling ability? It also seems like he has developed his shot a little bit more. I felt like last year all you could rely on him for offensively was catching the ball near the basket and slamming it in. It seems like he is starting to become a more multi-dimensional offensive player. Until further notice, he and Smith should be getting the majority of the playing time at 4 and 5.

 

That said, I would still include him in a deal for Kobe, albeit reluctantly.

 

he is definitely growing, but he has some work to do as far as shot selection. he has to resist chucking up an 18 footer just because his defender is playing back

[Soul]

If TT plays well and it causes the Lakers to take him instead of Deng, I'm on board with that.

I think I'd rather have TT than Deng, to be honest.

At the rate TT is improving, yeah, I'd have to agree with that. He looks on his way to becoming a legitimate 16/10 guy in only year 2.

 

Of course, LaMarcus already is.

 

Deng already should be able to average over 20 with Kobe. Thing is, i don't really know where Tyrus will wind up. But going into the season the talk was that TT wasn't what the Lakers wanted, it was Deng. If the icebreaker on this deal is that TT is starting to develop so he's attractive to the Lakers, then I've got to make that deal to bring the world's greatest basketball player to Chicago.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I was pissed when Rip Hamilton tried to trip TT after that block last night. What a punk. I wonder if he realizes what a tool he looks like with that mask on. I really loathe that guy.

[David]

Tyrus Thomas' athleticism still amazes me. He got way up there on that blocked shot in the fourth quarter. Has anyone else noticed some improvement in his ball handling ability? It also seems like he has developed his shot a little bit more. I felt like last year all you could rely on him for offensively was catching the ball near the basket and slamming it in. It seems like he is starting to become a more multi-dimensional offensive player. Until further notice, he and Smith should be getting the majority of the playing time at 4 and 5.

 

That said, I would still include him in a deal for Kobe, albeit reluctantly.

 

he is definitely growing, but he has some work to do as far as shot selection. he has to resist chucking up an 18 footer just because his defender is playing back

 

What he really needs to do is to develop that shot. I bet you they are encouraging him to take those. He probably hits them all day in practice. Once he gets (if ever) that shot down and the defenders have to respect it, the floodgates are open to superstardom.

[Derwood]

Tyrus Thomas' athleticism still amazes me. He got way up there on that blocked shot in the fourth quarter. Has anyone else noticed some improvement in his ball handling ability? It also seems like he has developed his shot a little bit more. I felt like last year all you could rely on him for offensively was catching the ball near the basket and slamming it in. It seems like he is starting to become a more multi-dimensional offensive player. Until further notice, he and Smith should be getting the majority of the playing time at 4 and 5.

 

That said, I would still include him in a deal for Kobe, albeit reluctantly.

 

he is definitely growing, but he has some work to do as far as shot selection. he has to resist chucking up an 18 footer just because his defender is playing back

 

What he really needs to do is to develop that shot. I bet you they are encouraging him to take those. He probably hits them all day in practice. Once he gets (if ever) that shot down and the defenders have to respect it, the floodgates are open to superstardom.

 

that could be. that said, ben wallace definitely should NEVER take that shot

[Flames24Rulz]

I wasn't even upset when I saw the final score tonight. But when I read the recap, I was steamed. How can you take out all of your starters with NINE minutes remaining in the THIRD quarter and NEVER let them come back into the game? I'm sick of Skiles' crappy way in how he runs this team like a college team. His time has come and Paxson needs to make a move. There is no identity to this team. And the way his offense has played should be absolutely embarrassing to Paxson.

 

And for what it's worth, the Kobe chants were back tonight.

[Keener98]

I wasn't even upset when I saw the final score tonight. But when I read the recap, I was steamed. How can you take out all of your starters with NINE minutes remaining in the THIRD quarter and NEVER let them come back into the game? I'm sick of Skiles' crappy way in how he runs this team like a college team. His time has come and Paxson needs to make a move. There is no identity to this team. And the way his offense has played should be absolutely embarrassing to Paxson.

 

And for what it's worth, the Kobe chants were back tonight.

Did you see the starters lines? Not really sure they deserved to be on the floor tonight.

 

Deng 22 mins 2-8 shooting 1 assist 2 steals 2 turnovers 5 points

Thomas 12 mins 2-5 shooting 1 Rebound 1 TO 3 Fouls

Wallace 18 mins 0-0 shooting 5 boards 1 steal 1 assist 1 TO 0 points

Gordon 24 mins 4-10 shooting 1-4 from 3 1 board 1 assist 1 TO 11 points

Hinrich 17 mins 0-6 shooting(worthless) 0-3 from 3 4 boards 4 assists 3 steals 2 TO's 3 fouls

 

That is horrible production from a teams starting 5