The Kobe thread (Formerly Kobe to be traded by Oct 30)

[David]

I don't think we get Kobe. The Bulls have no problems getting rid of Gordon but they won't get rid of Luol and that's what most people want. If us fans can see Gordon's deficiencies I'm sure NBA GM's can to. I just think it will be hard to come up with a deal to satisfy both parties.

 

The Bulls have been willing to include Deng. Kobe is the one who has been vetoing any deals involving Lu.

[Soul]

I don't think we get Kobe. The Bulls have no problems getting rid of Gordon but they won't get rid of Luol and that's what most people want. If us fans can see Gordon's deficiencies I'm sure NBA GM's can to. I just think it will be hard to come up with a deal to satisfy both parties.

 

You're right. Pax is wise to put the ball in the Lakers' court though, if that's what he's doing. Because I think we can all agree the Lakers need this thing, and we really don't.

 

I know we need to find a way to improve this ballclub, but other possibilities might exist for us down the road, where for the Lakers, Kobe has precious few safe harbors to query and nobody seems to want him in L.A. anymore.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

It's still people higher than John Paxson that want Kobe here. Yesterday = GM-speak.

 

 

thats interesting

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I don't think we get Kobe. The Bulls have no problems getting rid of Gordon but they won't get rid of Luol and that's what most people want. If us fans can see Gordon's deficiencies I'm sure NBA GM's can to. I just think it will be hard to come up with a deal to satisfy both parties.

 

The Bulls have been willing to include Deng. Kobe is the one who has been vetoing any deals involving Lu.

 

He needs to stop playing GM. I think Lou is a stud, but the fact is that if he was traded the Bulls do have a SF that could fill in...Nocioni. Thabo I believe can play the 3 too. And afterall, Labron James + the local Cleveland YMCA was enough to win the East last year.

[David]

I don't think we get Kobe. The Bulls have no problems getting rid of Gordon but they won't get rid of Luol and that's what most people want. If us fans can see Gordon's deficiencies I'm sure NBA GM's can to. I just think it will be hard to come up with a deal to satisfy both parties.

 

The Bulls have been willing to include Deng. Kobe is the one who has been vetoing any deals involving Lu.

 

He needs to stop playing GM. I think Lou is a stud, but the fact is that if he was traded the Bulls do have a SF that could fill in...Nocioni. Thabo I believe can play the 3 too. And afterall, Labron James + the local Cleveland YMCA was enough to win the East last year.

 

I'd rather Kobe continue to play hardball. As much as the LA front office wants to get rid of their headache, they'll ultimately give in and we'll wind up with a better team for it.

 

Do you want to contend to win the east (which we already are doing, mind you), or do you want to contend to win multiple championships?

[minnesotacubsfan]

I'd rather Kobe continue to play hardball. As much as the LA front office wants to get rid of their headache, they'll ultimately give in and we'll wind up with a better team for it.

 

I'm beginning to come around to this thought as well. At first, I wanted nothing to do with Kobe, buuuut, if Kobe can get his way, the Bulls could have a very very good team for a long time w/Kobe, Deng, Hinrich, Nocioni, etc....

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I don't think we get Kobe. The Bulls have no problems getting rid of Gordon but they won't get rid of Luol and that's what most people want. If us fans can see Gordon's deficiencies I'm sure NBA GM's can to. I just think it will be hard to come up with a deal to satisfy both parties.

 

The Bulls have been willing to include Deng. Kobe is the one who has been vetoing any deals involving Lu.

 

He needs to stop playing GM. I think Lou is a stud, but the fact is that if he was traded the Bulls do have a SF that could fill in...Nocioni. Thabo I believe can play the 3 too. And afterall, Labron James + the local Cleveland YMCA was enough to win the East last year.

 

I'd rather Kobe continue to play hardball. As much as the LA front office wants to get rid of their headache, they'll ultimately give in and we'll wind up with a better team for it.

 

Do you want to contend to win the east (which we already are doing, mind you), or do you want to contend to win multiple championships?

 

I don't see us as contenders in the East. We have done nothing to since last spring to elavate us above other teams. I'd like to get to the finals and take our chances there.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If Kobe starts to be such a headache and the Bulls refuse to give in, is it possible that the Lakers decide to take a better package from Dallas even though they are in the West.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

What has Dallas offered?

[David]

I don't see us as contenders in the East. We have done nothing to since last spring to elavate us above other teams. I'd like to get to the finals and take our chances there.

 

A lot of people would disagree with this. BTW, the Bulls were one victory away from being the East's #2 seed last year. Also, if they don't cough up game 3, the Detroit series probably goes a lot differently.

 

 

If that's not a contender in the East, I don't know what is.

 

 

As for the improvement from last year to this year, the majority of that would come from the continued development of what is still a very young core of primary players.

Edited November 2, 2007 by David

[David]

If Kobe starts to be such a headache and the Bulls refuse to give in, is it possible that the Lakers decide to take a better package from Dallas even though they are in the West.

 

It's not as though the Mavericks aren't also refusing to give in. Cuban came out and made a much more definitive statement of the Mavericks non-interest than Paxson did.

[CuseCubFan69]

If Kobe starts to be such a headache and the Bulls refuse to give in, is it possible that the Lakers decide to take a better package from Dallas even though they are in the West.

 

It's not as though the Mavericks aren't also refusing to give in. Cuban came out and made a much more definitive statement of the Mavericks non-interest than Paxson did.

 

Did he say anything about ARod and the Cubs? :D

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

What the hell? Supossedly Bulls shot down some type of deal becaues it would have resulted in the Cavs getting Bibby? (just mentioned this on the score..just a rumor I think) I hope not.

[CuseCubFan69]

What the hell? Supossedly Bulls shot down some type of deal becaues it would have resulted in the Cavs getting Bibby? (just mentioned this on the score..just a rumor I think) I hope not.

 

Is the Score as accurate about basketball as they are baseball?

[nilodnayr]

I don't think we get Kobe. The Bulls have no problems getting rid of Gordon but they won't get rid of Luol and that's what most people want. If us fans can see Gordon's deficiencies I'm sure NBA GM's can to. I just think it will be hard to come up with a deal to satisfy both parties.

 

The Bulls have been willing to include Deng. Kobe is the one who has been vetoing any deals involving Lu.

 

I think this is the piece of info that got leaked out that infuriated Paxson and made him rant against the media and call it a fabrication.

[USSoccer]

What the hell? Supossedly Bulls shot down some type of deal becaues it would have resulted in the Cavs getting Bibby? (just mentioned this on the score..just a rumor I think) I hope not.

 

I cannot imagine this as being true. Cavs + Bibby < Bulls + Kobe

[David]

What the hell? Supossedly Bulls shot down some type of deal becaues it would have resulted in the Cavs getting Bibby? (just mentioned this on the score..just a rumor I think) I hope not.

 

No.

 

They're saying that fans were flipping out because the Cavs getting Bibby in that deal would make them scary. It was being talked about on the show yesterday.

[USSoccer]

What the hell? Supossedly Bulls shot down some type of deal becaues it would have resulted in the Cavs getting Bibby? (just mentioned this on the score..just a rumor I think) I hope not.

 

No.

 

They're saying that fans were flipping out because the Cavs getting Bibby in that deal would make them scary. It was being talked about on the show yesterday.

 

Bibby 3 years ago, maybe.

 

How is it that so many fans get hung up on a "name"?

[rawaction]

What the hell? Supossedly Bulls shot down some type of deal becaues it would have resulted in the Cavs getting Bibby? (just mentioned this on the score..just a rumor I think) I hope not.

 

I cannot imagine this as being true. Cavs + Bibby < Bulls + Kobe

 

I don't see how Bibby would go from the Kings to Cavs. It only would make sense if the Cavs or Kings had something of interest for the Lakers. I don't see anybody on either roster who would be available that would be of interest to the Lakers.

[CuseCubFan69]

What the hell? Supossedly Bulls shot down some type of deal becaues it would have resulted in the Cavs getting Bibby? (just mentioned this on the score..just a rumor I think) I hope not.

 

No.

 

They're saying that fans were flipping out because the Cavs getting Bibby in that deal would make them scary. It was being talked about on the show yesterday.

 

Bibby 3 years ago, maybe.

 

How is it that so many fans get hung up on a "name"?

 

Then sneak Henry into the trade and run like heck.

[Guest]

What the hell? Supossedly Bulls shot down some type of deal becaues it would have resulted in the Cavs getting Bibby? (just mentioned this on the score..just a rumor I think) I hope not.

 

I cannot imagine this as being true. Cavs + Bibby < Bulls + Kobe

 

I don't see how Bibby would go from the Kings to Cavs. It only would make sense if the Cavs or Kings had something of interest for the Lakers. I don't see anybody on either roster who would be available that would be of interest to the Lakers.

 

Isn't it not allowed to trade a guy when he's injured anyway? Bibby's out 6-10 weeks right now.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

What the hell? Supossedly Bulls shot down some type of deal becaues it would have resulted in the Cavs getting Bibby? (just mentioned this on the score..just a rumor I think) I hope not.

 

I cannot imagine this as being true. Cavs + Bibby < Bulls + Kobe

 

Well to be fair, you forgot to add another factor on the Cavs + Bibby side... :lol:

[USSoccer]

What the hell? Supossedly Bulls shot down some type of deal becaues it would have resulted in the Cavs getting Bibby? (just mentioned this on the score..just a rumor I think) I hope not.

 

I cannot imagine this as being true. Cavs + Bibby < Bulls + Kobe

 

I don't see how Bibby would go from the Kings to Cavs. It only would make sense if the Cavs or Kings had something of interest for the Lakers. I don't see anybody on either roster who would be available that would be of interest to the Lakers.

 

IIRC the idea was that LA would get Bibby and then flip him to Cleveland in a later deal.

 

For what, who knows.

[rawaction]

What the hell? Supossedly Bulls shot down some type of deal becaues it would have resulted in the Cavs getting Bibby? (just mentioned this on the score..just a rumor I think) I hope not.

 

I cannot imagine this as being true. Cavs + Bibby < Bulls + Kobe

 

I don't see how Bibby would go from the Kings to Cavs. It only would make sense if the Cavs or Kings had something of interest for the Lakers. I don't see anybody on either roster who would be available that would be of interest to the Lakers.

 

Isn't it not allowed to trade a guy when he's injured anyway? Bibby's out 6-10 weeks right now.

 

I don't think there are rules against it. Most teams don't trade for damaged goods, though, for obvious reasons.

[Soul]

Bibby's not that great any more. I don't see how he improves the Cavs much anyway, but I think all this stuff is just people popping off without really knowing anything of substance.