Marquis has done what he was signed to do

[Bruno7481]

You know Marquis took great pleasure in beating the Cardinals today. This was a big start for him.

 

Sometimes I feel like his only suppporter around here, but I think he has done an adequate job of a 34/4th/5th starter, whatever you consider him to be. He has done what was expected of him, most notably give the starting rotation some stability and innings. This season should end up pretty close to his first two years with St. Louis, which were pretty good years.

 

July and August were rough, but lately he has thrown the ball well when a time the Cubs really need it.

 

His GB/FB% has gone up this year to 1.56 from 1.16 last year. If he keeps his .BAA where it is it would also be a career low.

[UK1679666180]

He's not overthrowing anymore and his command has improved on his sinker. He's mixed in his change more than before.

 

He has turned it around.

[C.C.]

He's been one of our more dependable starters for the stretch drive and that speaks volumes. At least in my book.

[erik316wttn]

I just hope he doesn't revert back to the Marquis we all thought he was going to be next year. Same with Lilly.

[C.C.]

I just hope he doesn't revert back to the Marquis we all thought he was going to be next year. Same with Lilly.

 

I just wonder how much LR has helped these guys?

[MPC]

he's performed better than i thought he would, but 3/21 million is still overpaying for his production.

[C.C.]

he's performed better than i thought he would, but 3/21 million is still overpaying for his production.

 

Not really...Not in today's market. Pitchers who take the bump every 5 days and give you innings are paid well.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

Marquis is top 25 in the NL in ERA, WHIP, IP, and BAA. Anyone would take that from their 4th starter. July and August were horrible, but he looks very strong to finish this season which this team needs. He has walked only 4 batters in his four starts in September.

[CubColtPacer]

he's performed better than i thought he would, but 3/21 million is still overpaying for his production.

 

Here are the starting pitchers who signed for more money per year than Marquis last offseason:

 

Miguel Batista, Adam Eaton, Tom Glavine, Kei Igawa (including posting fee), Ted Lilly, Greg Maddux, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Gil Meche, Mike Mussina, Vincente Padilla, Andy Pettitte, Jason Schmidt, Jeff Suppan, Jeff Weaver, Randy Wolf, Barry Zito

 

Here are the players who were paid comparable to Marquis (6 to 7.5 million per year): Orlando Hernandez, Mark Mulder, Woody Williams

 

So there were 19 pitchers just last offseason who were paid as much or more than Marquis. Of those 19, how many have been better than Marquis this season? 4, maybe 5.

 

By the way, if you look at the pitchers who were in the next pay level down from Marquis, you get pitchers like Kip Wells (4 million), Joel Pineiro (4 million), Tony Armas (3.5 million), Steve Trachsel (3.1 million), and David Wells (3 million). Do you want any of those pitchers?

 

In this pitching market, if you pay a pitcher 7 million a year, you're expecting a below average to average pitcher. Anybody who has shown to be a little above average like Lilly, Padilla, etc. got larger deals.

 

Marquis signed that contract to be an average pitcher, and he's been above average this year. I don't see how anyone can say he was overpaid for this year. In fact, if teams thought they could get a 4 ERA out of him, they would have paid him 10-13 million like they paid other pitchers with histories of giving over a 4 ERA (Suppan is a great example of this).

 

Now, I have no idea what will happen to him in year 2 or year 3. Almost 1 year in though, he's anything but overpaid relative to the market.

[Vanilla Ice]

he's performed better than i thought he would, but 3/21 million is still overpaying for his production.

 

Here are the starting pitchers who signed for more money per year than Marquis last offseason:

 

Miguel Batista, Adam Eaton, Tom Glavine, Kei Igawa (including posting fee), Ted Lilly, Greg Maddux, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Gil Meche, Mike Mussina, Vincente Padilla, Andy Pettitte, Jason Schmidt, Jeff Suppan, Jeff Weaver, Randy Wolf, Barry Zito

 

Here are the players who were paid comparable to Marquis (6 to 7.5 million per year): Orlando Hernandez, Mark Mulder, Woody Williams

 

So there were 19 pitchers just last offseason who were paid as much or more than Marquis. Of those 19, how many have been better than Marquis this season? 4, maybe 5.

 

By the way, if you look at the pitchers who were in the next pay level down from Marquis, you get pitchers like Kip Wells (4 million), Joel Pineiro (4 million), Tony Armas (3.5 million), Steve Trachsel (3.1 million), and David Wells (3 million). Do you want any of those pitchers?

 

In this pitching market, if you pay a pitcher 7 million a year, you're expecting a below average to average pitcher. Anybody who has shown to be a little above average like Lilly, Padilla, etc. got larger deals.

 

Marquis signed that contract to be an average pitcher, and he's been above average this year. I don't see how anyone can say he was overpaid for this year. In fact, if teams thought they could get a 4 ERA out of him, they would have paid him 10-13 million like they paid other pitchers with histories of giving over a 4 ERA (Suppan is a great example of this).

 

Now, I have no idea what will happen to him in year 2 or year 3. Almost 1 year in though, he's anything but overpaid relative to the market.

 

I want Steve Traschel :lol:

[dew1679666265]

he's performed better than i thought he would, but 3/21 million is still overpaying for his production.

 

Here are the starting pitchers who signed for more money per year than Marquis last offseason:

 

Miguel Batista, Adam Eaton, Tom Glavine, Kei Igawa (including posting fee), Ted Lilly, Greg Maddux, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Gil Meche, Mike Mussina, Vincente Padilla, Andy Pettitte, Jason Schmidt, Jeff Suppan, Jeff Weaver, Randy Wolf, Barry Zito

 

Here are the players who were paid comparable to Marquis (6 to 7.5 million per year): Orlando Hernandez, Mark Mulder, Woody Williams

 

So there were 19 pitchers just last offseason who were paid as much or more than Marquis. Of those 19, how many have been better than Marquis this season? 4, maybe 5.

 

By the way, if you look at the pitchers who were in the next pay level down from Marquis, you get pitchers like Kip Wells (4 million), Joel Pineiro (4 million), Tony Armas (3.5 million), Steve Trachsel (3.1 million), and David Wells (3 million). Do you want any of those pitchers?

 

In this pitching market, if you pay a pitcher 7 million a year, you're expecting a below average to average pitcher. Anybody who has shown to be a little above average like Lilly, Padilla, etc. got larger deals.

 

Marquis signed that contract to be an average pitcher, and he's been above average this year. I don't see how anyone can say he was overpaid for this year. In fact, if teams thought they could get a 4 ERA out of him, they would have paid him 10-13 million like they paid other pitchers with histories of giving over a 4 ERA (Suppan is a great example of this).

 

Now, I have no idea what will happen to him in year 2 or year 3. Almost 1 year in though, he's anything but overpaid relative to the market.

 

I want Steve Traschel :lol:

 

Well, you've got him. For better or worse. :D

[Soul]

I just hope he doesn't revert back to the Marquis we all thought he was going to be next year. Same with Lilly.

 

I just wonder how much LR has helped these guys?

 

I dunno. LR said he was going to help Marquis though, and it looks like it worked.

 

I keep feeling like we are "getting away" with something with these two performing so well. But hey -- who cares what I feel? I hope it continues.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

and there are some know it alls that continue to bash this guy non stop around here.

[Sammy Sofa]

I just hope he doesn't revert back to the Marquis we all thought he was going to be next year. Same with Lilly.

 

I just wonder how much LR has helped these guys?

 

I don't think it's fair to lump Lilly in with Marquis in terms of possible reversion. Sure, Theodore is having a stellar year above his norm, but over his career he has looked much, much, MUCH better than Marquis. Lilly also had the added burden of starting the AL East the last few years, a situation that's going tinflate the numbers of almost any starting pitcher.

[frostwyrm]

and there are some know it alls that continue to bash this guy non stop around here.

 

Once again you show you have the classic cubs.com messageboard vibe down cold. I congratulate you on filling a much-needed void.

[questionmarkgrace]

I like marquis also. I think solid is a good word to describe what hes done for us this year. I just wish that he would work on countering the effects of fatigue. Because when he starts getting tired the wheels seem to completely fall off.

[SouthSideRyan]

he's performed better than i thought he would, but 3/21 million is still overpaying for his production.

 

3/21 was an overpay, just becasue I can't see him getting offers that were close to that this offseason. However, his results have definitely been worth more than 7M a season.

 

And I think Larry deserves a ton of credit for this.

[Peoriaman]

he's performed better than i thought he would, but 3/21 million is still overpaying for his production.

 

Here are the starting pitchers who signed for more money per year than Marquis last offseason:

 

Miguel Batista, Adam Eaton, Tom Glavine, Kei Igawa (including posting fee), Ted Lilly, Greg Maddux, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Gil Meche, Mike Mussina, Vincente Padilla, Andy Pettitte, Jason Schmidt, Jeff Suppan, Jeff Weaver, Randy Wolf, Barry Zito

 

Here are the players who were paid comparable to Marquis (6 to 7.5 million per year): Orlando Hernandez, Mark Mulder, Woody Williams

 

So there were 19 pitchers just last offseason who were paid as much or more than Marquis. Of those 19, how many have been better than Marquis this season? 4, maybe 5.

 

By the way, if you look at the pitchers who were in the next pay level down from Marquis, you get pitchers like Kip Wells (4 million), Joel Pineiro (4 million), Tony Armas (3.5 million), Steve Trachsel (3.1 million), and David Wells (3 million). Do you want any of those pitchers?

 

In this pitching market, if you pay a pitcher 7 million a year, you're expecting a below average to average pitcher. Anybody who has shown to be a little above average like Lilly, Padilla, etc. got larger deals.

 

Marquis signed that contract to be an average pitcher, and he's been above average this year. I don't see how anyone can say he was overpaid for this year. In fact, if teams thought they could get a 4 ERA out of him, they would have paid him 10-13 million like they paid other pitchers with histories of giving over a 4 ERA (Suppan is a great example of this).

 

Now, I have no idea what will happen to him in year 2 or year 3. Almost 1 year in though, he's anything but overpaid relative to the market.

 

 

well said.

[RynoRules]

he's performed better than i thought he would, but 3/21 million is still overpaying for his production.

 

3/21 was an overpay, just becasue I can't see him getting offers that were close to that this offseason. However, his results have definitely been worth more than 7M a season.

 

And I think Larry deserves a ton of credit for this.

 

This is the point that get's lost in the shuffle too often. Larry has done a very nice job this year. How many guys have rotated in and out of that bullpen?

[CuseCubFan69]

he's performed better than i thought he would, but 3/21 million is still overpaying for his production.

 

3/21 was an overpay, just becasue I can't see him getting offers that were close to that this offseason. However, his results have definitely been worth more than 7M a season.

 

And I think Larry deserves a ton of credit for this.

 

This is the point that get's lost in the shuffle too often. Larry has done a very nice job this year. How many guys have rotated in and out of that bullpen?

 

What I think has helped Larry is that Curly and Moe were fired last year.

[NCCubFan]

The more I've seen this year the more convinced I am that the reports that Dusty wouldn't listen to Larry are true. It doesn't matter how good a pitching coach is, if his manager ignores his advice he isn't going ro have an impact. I think Dusty is much more to blame than Larry for the pitching problems last year.

[Wheelimus]

If you could go back in time to the day we signed him and tell me he'd have thrown 180 innings at this point with a 4.07 ERA, I would have asked you what you were smoking and where I could get some.

 

So, yeah, he has performed far above my expectations.

[UMFan83]

I think a lot of the negative reaction from fans is from that fact that every time he has a bad start, fans start to expect his season to go downhill and his numbers to look like last years. No one liked this signing, and everyone was/is waiting for him to fail. When this season is over, people will look at his numbers and realize that he had a pretty good season for a 4th/5th starter and even though he is overpaid no matter what, he showed that he can be effective and help the Cubs win.

[rawaction]

Rothschild has really done an excellent job this year. I think he clearly has a knack for turning around sinker ballers, with Marquis and Clement a few years back. He's also done a great job with Hill, who was starting to struggle midseason and has turned it around since. He's done great with Marshall, who struggled last year w/ stuff and health, and he's been solid. Gotta give him some credit for Lilly too, who is perhaps having his best year as a pro. Also, Marmol has turned from below average starter in his brief 1st year, to stud reliever in his 2nd.

[SouthSideRyan]

I think a lot of the negative reaction from fans is from that fact that every time he has a bad start, fans start to expect his season to go downhill and his numbers to look like last years. No one liked this signing, and everyone was/is waiting for him to fail. When this season is over, people will look at his numbers and realize that he had a pretty good season for a 4th/5th starter and even though he is overpaid no matter what, he showed that he can be effective and help the Cubs win.

 

On ERA alone, he's had a good season for a 3rd starter, he's had an incredible season for a 5th starter, even looking at just peripherals.

 

Oh, and Carlos Zambrano now has the worst ERA of our 5 starters.

 

And Eyre's ERA+ is over 100!