Piniella Dumb Decisions Thread

[Keener98]

Z was getting rocked in the 5th. His spot came up in the 5th. He was pitching on 3 days rest and was up in the 80s for pitch count. Lou let him hit.

 

Surprise, Z makes an out and gives up a bomb to Encarnacion.

 

I can't be too upset with Lou for that. Z had gotten 6 outs in a row (5 batters) and his pitches were looking better in the 5th. He had 2 hard hit outs out of those 5 batters. It's not a situation where Lou is suddenly going to pull him

 

If I recall every out in the 5th was a hard hit ball.

[CubColtPacer]

Z was getting rocked in the 5th. His spot came up in the 5th. He was pitching on 3 days rest and was up in the 80s for pitch count. Lou let him hit.

 

Surprise, Z makes an out and gives up a bomb to Encarnacion.

 

I can't be too upset with Lou for that. Z had gotten 6 outs in a row (5 batters) and his pitches were looking better in the 5th. He had 2 hard hit outs out of those 5 batters. It's not a situation where Lou is suddenly going to pull him

 

If I recall every out in the 5th was a hard hit ball.

 

Nope, the first one was an easy groundout to first base.

[Keener98]

Z was getting rocked in the 5th. His spot came up in the 5th. He was pitching on 3 days rest and was up in the 80s for pitch count. Lou let him hit.

 

Surprise, Z makes an out and gives up a bomb to Encarnacion.

 

I can't be too upset with Lou for that. Z had gotten 6 outs in a row (5 batters) and his pitches were looking better in the 5th. He had 2 hard hit outs out of those 5 batters. It's not a situation where Lou is suddenly going to pull him

 

If I recall every out in the 5th was a hard hit ball.

 

Nope, the first one was an easy groundout to first base.

 

Are you sure? Isnt that the one DLee had to go back on and down on his knee with Z covering?

[dougdescenzo]

Continuing to try to sacrifice with Jock in the 7th with nobody out. The Cubs haven't laid down a successful sacrifice since the Nixon administration and to think Jock could do it and to even want to do it against a pitcher like Guardado was a pretty poor decision.

[Mizzou]

What's the point of having this thread? To serve as a reference point? To look back and for some stupid reason read about his dumb moves? Seriously, what is the point?

[sethuel1]

What's the point of having this thread? To serve as a reference point? To look back and for some stupid reason read about his dumb moves? Seriously, what is the point?

so that you can come in here and get all haughty and imply that anyone posting here isn't a real cubs fan.

 

oh wait, that's the other thread you did that in.

 

and this one, i guess, too.

[Mizzou]

What's the point of having this thread? To serve as a reference point? To look back and for some stupid reason read about his dumb moves? Seriously, what is the point?

so that you can come in here and get all haughty and imply that anyone posting here isn't a real cubs fan.

 

oh wait, that's the other thread you did that in.

 

and this one, i guess, too.

Umm, yeah no. It was a legit question. Here's another legit question... do you ever actually make posts that are about baseball? Ever?

[sethuel1]

What's the point of having this thread? To serve as a reference point? To look back and for some stupid reason read about his dumb moves? Seriously, what is the point?

so that you can come in here and get all haughty and imply that anyone posting here isn't a real cubs fan.

 

oh wait, that's the other thread you did that in.

 

and this one, i guess, too.

Umm, yeah no. It was a legit question. Here's another legit question... do you ever actually make posts that are about baseball? Ever?

 

Here's how you start a strawman argument.

[sethuel1]

What's the point of having this thread? To serve as a reference point? To look back and for some stupid reason read about his dumb moves? Seriously, what is the point?

so that you can come in here and get all haughty and imply that anyone posting here isn't a real cubs fan.

 

oh wait, that's the other thread you did that in.

 

and this one, i guess, too.

Umm, yeah no. It was a legit question. Here's another legit question... do you ever actually make posts that are about baseball? Ever?

 

And to answer your strawman argument question, I usually leave it up to others to regularly shred your terrible reasoning and holier-than-thou attitude, but if you'd like me to point that out for you also, I'm happy to do so.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

We discuss a lot of things. No one (ok, almost no one) protested the Dumb Dusty Decisions Threads, so if some people think Lou makes dumb decisions then this thread should be allowed.

 

Furthermore, an attack on a poster about the topics they choose or don't choose to post in is a pretty lame attack.

[Mizzou]

What's the point of having this thread? To serve as a reference point? To look back and for some stupid reason read about his dumb moves? Seriously, what is the point?

so that you can come in here and get all haughty and imply that anyone posting here isn't a real cubs fan.

 

oh wait, that's the other thread you did that in.

 

and this one, i guess, too.

Umm, yeah no. It was a legit question. Here's another legit question... do you ever actually make posts that are about baseball? Ever?

 

And to answer your strawman argument question, I usually leave it up to others to regularly shred your terrible reasoning and holier-than-thou attitude, but if you'd like me to point that out for you also, I'm happy to do so.

Yeah, I'm clearly the one trying to start the argument.

 

Stick to your "Geovany Soto" posts, bud.

Furthermore, an attack on a poster about the topics they choose or don't choose to post in is a pretty lame attack.

Is this directed towards me? If so... seriously? You took my post as an attack? Wow.

[sethuel1]

What's the point of having this thread? To serve as a reference point? To look back and for some stupid reason read about his dumb moves? Seriously, what is the point?

so that you can come in here and get all haughty and imply that anyone posting here isn't a real cubs fan.

 

oh wait, that's the other thread you did that in.

 

and this one, i guess, too.

Umm, yeah no. It was a legit question. Here's another legit question... do you ever actually make posts that are about baseball? Ever?

 

And to answer your strawman argument question, I usually leave it up to others to regularly shred your terrible reasoning and holier-than-thou attitude, but if you'd like me to point that out for you also, I'm happy to do so.

Yeah, I'm clearly the one trying to start the argument.

 

Stick to your "Geovany Soto" posts, bud.

I'm pretty sure that's your post at the top of this string, nipping at all of us "nerds" with our "stats" and our "books" and implying that if we don't stand behind our manager 100% then we're not true Cubs fans.

 

You sound like the guy that tried to fight Tony a couple of years ago for second-guessing Dusty in the leftfield bleachers.

[Mizzou]

What's the point of having this thread? To serve as a reference point? To look back and for some stupid reason read about his dumb moves? Seriously, what is the point?

so that you can come in here and get all haughty and imply that anyone posting here isn't a real cubs fan.

 

oh wait, that's the other thread you did that in.

 

and this one, i guess, too.

Umm, yeah no. It was a legit question. Here's another legit question... do you ever actually make posts that are about baseball? Ever?

 

And to answer your strawman argument question, I usually leave it up to others to regularly shred your terrible reasoning and holier-than-thou attitude, but if you'd like me to point that out for you also, I'm happy to do so.

Yeah, I'm clearly the one trying to start the argument.

 

Stick to your "Geovany Soto" posts, bud.

I'm pretty sure that's your post at the top of this string, nipping at all of us "nerds" with our "stats" and our "books" and implying that if we don't stand behind our manager 100% then we're not true Cubs fans.

I'm pretty sure that reading comprehension isn't your forte, because I wasn't saying anything close to that. I was merely wondering what the purpose of a thread that lists Lou's mistakes are. I think it's pointless because every manager makes mistakes and unless you're sadistic and want to have a thread like this to read through periodically, I don't see a reason for having this when we have game threads with 50 pages of posts. I've made plenty of posts where you can jump on me for sniping at people, and I have no problem admitting that. But this one was a 100% legit question. No need to be a dick about it.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

A lot of threads around here are pointless. I really haven't cared much about Lou's mistakes, because frankly he makes a hell of a lot fewer than Dusty. But then, if someone wants to list them, they should be welcome to.

 

I think using Zambrano on three days rest was fairly asinine. Lilly worked out ok on short rest, but I think risking that is always a dumb idea.

 

 

 

Regardless....ranting about this thread is pretty pointless. I think discussing the mistakes of our manager is a very legitimate thread for a baseball board.

[bukie]

I'm pretty sure that reading comprehension isn't your forte, because I wasn't saying anything close to that. I was merely wondering what the purpose of a thread that lists Lou's mistakes are. I think it's pointless because every manager makes mistakes and unless you're sadistic and want to have a thread like this to read through periodically, I don't see a reason for having this when we have game threads with 50 pages of posts. I've made plenty of posts where you can jump on me for sniping at people, and I have no problem admitting that. But this one was a 100% legit question. No need to be a dick about it.

 

Quite simply, the purpose of the thread is to list Lou's mistakes. Says so right in the thread title. You know what to expect coming in.

[Guest]

as compared to all the useful threads on here. own up and admit you are trying to belittle people when you post something like that. do you go back and re-read old threads?

[SouthSideRyan]

I somehow feel partially responsible for this thread. Just a feeling. Anywho, it's a place to complain about bad decisions Piniella makes. Just like there are threads in which to complain about or praise specific players, GMs, owners, coaches, vendors, there is one about the manager. It was inspired by one particular game that I thought Piniella did a horrible job of managing.

[CubinNY]

Leaving in Marquis after the first inning.

 

Oh and not starting Soto too.

[BigbadB]

Leaving in Marquis after the first inning.

 

Oh and not starting Soto too.

 

Yeah, that veteran leadership that Jason Kendall supplied tonight has me all giddy inside. :roll:

 

Honestly, can we admit that Soto gives the Cubs a better chance behind the dish and at the plate than Kendall does, and quit handing out starting assignments based on games played?

 

I like Kendall as the 4th or 5th PH off the bench and as the back up in the playoffs (assuming we make the playoffs). After that, he's outta here.

 

Let Soto play and going into next year you have a young talented catcher with playoff experience, something even Jason Kendall knows nothing about.

 

The Cardinals won a WS with Yadier Molina. It can be done with a young punk behind the dish.

[soccer10k]

If Lou really goes and starts Kendall the rest of the way (including if the Cubs make the playoffs) somebody should take a bat and hit him over the head. Hell, if CubmanPi drinks before a potential Game 4 like he did tonight, he might be drunk enough to do it.

[CUBZ99]

If Lou really goes and starts Kendall the rest of the way (including if the Cubs make the playoffs) somebody should take a bat and hit him over the head. Hell, if CubmanPi drinks before a potential Game 4 like he did tonight, he might be drunk enough to do it.

 

If the Cubs don't make the playoffs by winning 1 out of 3 from the Marlins and 2 out of 3 from the Reds, it is not going to be based upon Kendall playing over Soto.

[soapy]

I'll go ahead and add starting Trachsel tonight as well. Hill, please.

[Soul]

If Lou really goes and starts Kendall the rest of the way (including if the Cubs make the playoffs) somebody should take a bat and hit him over the head. Hell, if CubmanPi drinks before a potential Game 4 like he did tonight, he might be drunk enough to do it.

 

If the Cubs don't make the playoffs by winning 1 out of 3 from the Marlins and 2 out of 3 from the Reds, it is not going to be based upon Kendall playing over Soto.

 

What does that even mean? You don't know that we're even going to win another game. I just want the best chance to win each game as it comes along.

 

Soto was contributing more on both sides of the ball than Kendall -- sure his offense had dropped very recently, but no matter what his D was far superior to Kendall's. Shouldn't that at least be factored in when making a decision about who to play?

 

Look, I'm not even saying that Soto should start every game. Far from it. The glaring insanity of Lou's statement is that it implies he's not going to be looking at matchups, not going to be looking at what's best for the team on a game-by-game basis for the rest of the season. It's just going to be Kendall, no matter what. That's maddeningly stupid. What if Kendall will be hitting against a pitcher who he is historically horrible against? STILL PLAY KENDALL? Unreal.

[soapy]

If Lou really goes and starts Kendall the rest of the way (including if the Cubs make the playoffs) somebody should take a bat and hit him over the head. Hell, if CubmanPi drinks before a potential Game 4 like he did tonight, he might be drunk enough to do it.

 

If the Cubs don't make the playoffs by winning 1 out of 3 from the Marlins and 2 out of 3 from the Reds, it is not going to be based upon Kendall playing over Soto.

 

You are likely right, but that doesn't make a stupid decision okay. Lou's job is to give them the best chance to win. IMO, that means Soto over Kendall.

[CubmanPi]

If Lou really goes and starts Kendall the rest of the way (including if the Cubs make the playoffs) somebody should take a bat and hit him over the head. Hell, if CubmanPi drinks before a potential Game 4 like he did tonight, he might be drunk enough to do it.

I was planning on laying off the hard stuff that weekend, and my headache this morning has further convinced me to do so, but if Soto hasn't started by the time I sit down at Wrigley, I may have to rethink this policy. And bring a bat.