Trachsel a Cub (this should be fun)

[treebird]

is marshall even on the team anymore? why are we thinking he's going to be worth anything when we ask him to make a start after not pitching for 2 weeks? does this make sense to anyone?

[Post Count Padder]

Ahh, you beat me to it, Rob!

 

What a great trade. And thank goodness he's stealing a spot in the rotation from a competent pitcher.

 

If it'll make ya feel better, you can be the one to point out they were all earned runs.

 

But yeah. I didn't have a huge problem if we skipped Marshall once to rest his arm, but continuing to rely on this piece of junk? Unforgivable. We should just cut him, but I don't see Hendry admitting to a mistake like this anytime soon.

No it isn't like Hendry to admit a mistake period, let alone one so shortly after it was made.

 

Steve Trachsel was at some point a respectable #3 or 4 starter. Not anymore.

[Mephistopheles]

is marshall even on the team anymore? why are we thinking he's going to be worth anything when we ask him to make a start after not pitching for 2 weeks? does this make sense to anyone?

 

its gotta make sense to the brain trust of disaster that is known as cubs management.

[Keener98]

is marshall even on the team anymore? why are we thinking he's going to be worth anything when we ask him to make a start after not pitching for 2 weeks? does this make sense to anyone?

 

This whole situation/trade has made no sense, welcome to the Jim Hendry era of Cubs baseball.

[Backtobanks]

I'm not defending Trachsel, but his last outing was actually pretty good and would have been very good if Lou would have pulled him instead of leaving him in to try to get a win. I'm not sure what Trachsel's record against the Pirates was, but I thought they were going to use him in specific situations (against a team that kills lefties). I think the idea of a modified 6 man rotation might work if you mix Trachsel and Marshall according to the other team's weaknesses.

[Exile on Waveland]

Is anyone surprised Trachsel stinks?

[Omar]

Is anyone surprised Trachsel stinks?

 

Jim Hendry?

[Rob]

Is anyone surprised Trachsel stinks?

 

Jim Hendry?

 

Hendry wont be surprised until he realizes it. This was just "bad luck."

[Shilzzz]

Is anyone surprised Trachsel stinks?

 

Jim Hendry?

 

Hendry wont be surprised until he realizes it. This was just "bad luck."

 

[underslept, sniffled speak] well, you know, he had a bad start this time out. you can blame that one on me. but obviously steve has been a good pitcher for a long time, and i expect him to bounce back and help us out the rest of the season. [/underslept, sniffled speak]

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm not defending Trachsel, but his last outing was actually pretty good and would have been very good if Lou would have pulled him instead of leaving him in to try to get a win. I'm not sure what Trachsel's record against the Pirates was, but I thought they were going to use him in specific situations (against a team that kills lefties). I think the idea of a modified 6 man rotation might work if you mix Trachsel and Marshall according to the other team's weaknesses.

 

What are you talking about? Trachsel's last start only looks good because Lou kept him in for the 6th. He had given up 3 runs in 5 innings, and the 1,2,3 6th inning is the only reason that 4.50 ERA/1.33 WHIP outing looks any good at all.

[rawaction]

I'm not defending Trachsel, but his last outing was actually pretty good and would have been very good if Lou would have pulled him instead of leaving him in to try to get a win. I'm not sure what Trachsel's record against the Pirates was, but I thought they were going to use him in specific situations (against a team that kills lefties). I think the idea of a modified 6 man rotation might work if you mix Trachsel and Marshall according to the other team's weaknesses.

 

What are you talking about? Trachsel's last start only looks good because Lou kept him in for the 6th. He had given up 3 runs in 5 innings, and the 1,2,3 6th inning is the only reason that 4.50 ERA/1.33 WHIP outing looks any good at all.

 

Yeah, I think there's some confusion going on in that post. And a modified 6 man rotation would only work if Trachsel was good. Otherwise, you are starting a bad pitcher every 6th day, along with a group of starters who have been inconsistent all year. Matchups are one thing, but starting an inferior pitcher is never a good idea.

[abuck1220]

I'm not defending Trachsel, but his last outing was actually pretty good and would have been very good if Lou would have pulled him instead of leaving him in to try to get a win. I'm not sure what Trachsel's record against the Pirates was, but I thought they were going to use him in specific situations (against a team that kills lefties). I think the idea of a modified 6 man rotation might work if you mix Trachsel and Marshall according to the other team's weaknesses.

 

only if the other team's weakness is blindness or no-armedness.

[jjgman21]

eating a little crow for some of my arguments in this thread. feel free to bash away at Hendry and Lou on this one.

[jjgman21]

I'm not defending Trachsel, but his last outing was actually pretty good and would have been very good if Lou would have pulled him instead of leaving him in to try to get a win. I'm not sure what Trachsel's record against the Pirates was, but I thought they were going to use him in specific situations (against a team that kills lefties). I think the idea of a modified 6 man rotation might work if you mix Trachsel and Marshall according to the other team's weaknesses.

 

What are you talking about? Trachsel's last start only looks good because Lou kept him in for the 6th. He had given up 3 runs in 5 innings, and the 1,2,3 6th inning is the only reason that 4.50 ERA/1.33 WHIP outing looks any good at all.

 

but this is where it goes a little far. why does inning 'not matter' in a discussion about relief pitching, but it does matter in a discussion about starting pitching?

 

I personally don't think the start was good period. the bottom qualifier for a 'QS' doesn't make the start good. but the bottom line is that he pitched six innings and allowed three runs and the bottom line is he went 1, 2, 3 in that inning. you can't pluck out a good inning and throw it away to cast the start as worse than it was, as I am sure you wouldn't let someone say 'throw out the fifth to declare it better than it was.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm not defending Trachsel, but his last outing was actually pretty good and would have been very good if Lou would have pulled him instead of leaving him in to try to get a win. I'm not sure what Trachsel's record against the Pirates was, but I thought they were going to use him in specific situations (against a team that kills lefties). I think the idea of a modified 6 man rotation might work if you mix Trachsel and Marshall according to the other team's weaknesses.

 

What are you talking about? Trachsel's last start only looks good because Lou kept him in for the 6th. He had given up 3 runs in 5 innings, and the 1,2,3 6th inning is the only reason that 4.50 ERA/1.33 WHIP outing looks any good at all.

 

but this is where it goes a little far. why does inning 'not matter' in a discussion about relief pitching, but it does matter in a discussion about starting pitching?

 

I personally don't think the start was good period. the bottom qualifier for a 'QS' doesn't make the start good. but the bottom line is that he pitched six innings and allowed three runs and the bottom line is he went 1, 2, 3 in that inning. you can't pluck out a good inning and throw it away to cast the start as worse than it was, as I am sure you wouldn't let someone say 'throw out the fifth to declare it better than it was.

 

What in the world are you talking about?

 

Backtobanks said Trachsel's last outing was pretty good, but would have been very good if Lou didn't send him back out to try and get a win. Had he not gone out for that last inning, it would have been a 5 inning 3 ER game. As it stands, it was 6/3, which qualifies as "quality" but isn't all that good in my book.

 

Where are you getting innings not mattering from? And what is going too far?

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm not defending Trachsel, but his last outing was actually pretty good and would have been very good if Lou would have pulled him instead of leaving him in to try to get a win. I'm not sure what Trachsel's record against the Pirates was, but I thought they were going to use him in specific situations (against a team that kills lefties). I think the idea of a modified 6 man rotation might work if you mix Trachsel and Marshall according to the other team's weaknesses.

 

What are you talking about? Trachsel's last start only looks good because Lou kept him in for the 6th. He had given up 3 runs in 5 innings, and the 1,2,3 6th inning is the only reason that 4.50 ERA/1.33 WHIP outing looks any good at all.

 

but this is where it goes a little far. why does inning 'not matter' in a discussion about relief pitching, but it does matter in a discussion about starting pitching?

 

I personally don't think the start was good period. the bottom qualifier for a 'QS' doesn't make the start good. but the bottom line is that he pitched six innings and allowed three runs and the bottom line is he went 1, 2, 3 in that inning. you can't pluck out a good inning and throw it away to cast the start as worse than it was, as I am sure you wouldn't let someone say 'throw out the fifth to declare it better than it was.

 

What in the world are you talking about?

 

Backtobanks said Trachsel's last outing was pretty good, but would have been very good if Lou didn't send him back out to try and get a win. Had he not gone out for that last inning, it would have been a 5 inning 3 ER game. As it stands, it was 6/3, which qualifies as "quality" but isn't all that good in my book.

 

Where are you getting innings not mattering from? And what is going too far?

 

My question is, how many pitchers do better than the 6 inning 3 run QS? I think if the number is low than maybe it can be considered a quality start.

[jersey cubs fan]

My question is, how many pitchers do better than the 6 inning 3 run QS? I think if the number is low than maybe it can be considered a quality start.

 

Well that equates to a 4.50 ERA and a good amount of pitchers do better than a 4.50 ERA. Not sure what you mean by "do better than the 6/3 QS".

[jjgman21]

I'm not defending Trachsel, but his last outing was actually pretty good and would have been very good if Lou would have pulled him instead of leaving him in to try to get a win. I'm not sure what Trachsel's record against the Pirates was, but I thought they were going to use him in specific situations (against a team that kills lefties). I think the idea of a modified 6 man rotation might work if you mix Trachsel and Marshall according to the other team's weaknesses.

 

What are you talking about? Trachsel's last start only looks good because Lou kept him in for the 6th. He had given up 3 runs in 5 innings, and the 1,2,3 6th inning is the only reason that 4.50 ERA/1.33 WHIP outing looks any good at all.

 

but this is where it goes a little far. why does inning 'not matter' in a discussion about relief pitching, but it does matter in a discussion about starting pitching?

 

I personally don't think the start was good period. the bottom qualifier for a 'QS' doesn't make the start good. but the bottom line is that he pitched six innings and allowed three runs and the bottom line is he went 1, 2, 3 in that inning. you can't pluck out a good inning and throw it away to cast the start as worse than it was, as I am sure you wouldn't let someone say 'throw out the fifth to declare it better than it was.

 

What in the world are you talking about?

 

Backtobanks said Trachsel's last outing was pretty good, but would have been very good if Lou didn't send him back out to try and get a win. Had he not gone out for that last inning, it would have been a 5 inning 3 ER game. As it stands, it was 6/3, which qualifies as "quality" but isn't all that good in my book.

 

Where are you getting innings not mattering from? And what is going too far?

 

guilty of skimming and not fully getting the context of your post.

[CuseCubFan69]

My question is, how many pitchers do better than the 6 inning 3 run QS? I think if the number is low than maybe it can be considered a quality start.

 

Well that equates to a 4.50 ERA and a good amount of pitchers do better than a 4.50 ERA. Not sure what you mean by "do better than the 6/3 QS".

 

What I'm simply asking is. What percentage of starting pitchers have a 6 inning 3 run line or better game? If it's a low percentage than it might be considered a qualty start. I realize that a 4.50 ERA is that that good and that giving up 2 runs should be a quality start and 3 should be called something else but as I wrote, I wonder what percentage of games have starting pitchers keep the other team from scoring more than 3 runs in 6 innings?

[Backtobanks]

My question is, how many pitchers do better than the 6 inning 3 run QS? I think if the number is low than maybe it can be considered a quality start.

 

Well that equates to a 4.50 ERA and a good amount of pitchers do better than a 4.50 ERA. Not sure what you mean by "do better than the 6/3 QS".

 

What I'm simply asking is. What percentage of starting pitchers have a 6 inning 3 run line or better game? If it's a low percentage than it might be considered a qualty start. I realize that a 4.50 ERA is that that good and that giving up 2 runs should be a quality start and 3 should be called something else but as I wrote, I wonder what percentage of games have starting pitchers keep the other team from scoring more than 3 runs in 6 innings?

 

I would think that a 6-inning 3-run start by a pitcher that is your #5 starter is pretty darn good. I would think that most managers would be happy if their #4 and #5 starters would give them 6 innings with only 3 runs.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

What I'm simply asking is. What percentage of starting pitchers have a 6 inning 3 run line or better game? If it's a low percentage than it might be considered a qualty start. I realize that a 4.50 ERA is that that good and that giving up 2 runs should be a quality start and 3 should be called something else but as I wrote, I wonder what percentage of games have starting pitchers keep the other team from scoring more than 3 runs in 6 innings?

 

I think what you want to know is what percentage of starts is worse than 6/3. Finding out what percentage is 6/3 or better doesn't really tell you anything about the 6/3. Anyway, I believe something like 51% of starts fail to qualify as "quality". The problem with that, however, is a start that goes 8/4 or 9/4 isn't considered quality, while 6/3 is. Likewise, 5/2 isn't quality either. Anyway, I'd say it's safe to say that about half of all starts, that includes everybody who starts a game, whether it's a reliever spot starting, a guy coming back from injury, or an ace, are better than the lowest possible "quality" outcome. And that doesn't really qualify as quality in my opinion.

[UMFan83]

I normally don't bump threads but....Jesus....

[NCCubFan]

So predictable too. The Cubs may as well just forfeited the game.

[brinoch]

What a horrible, horrible, trade.

[NCCubFan]

Bynum for Hart looks like a great trade. The Trachsel trade was horrible. Maybe they'll ultimately cancel out and be a wash.