Trachsel a Cub (this should be fun)

[Keener98]

Mortgaging the future for a questionable upgrade of a team thats 4 games over .500...thats Cub baseball

 

You're kidding, right? Where exactly did Moore or Cherry fit into our future plans?

 

I'm in a wait and see mode on this move. Most people here bashed the Kendall trade as well, and we all know how that's turned out. Maybe we catch lightning in a bottle with Trachsel. He's had a solid August. If not, no biggie. He just sits on the bench. For those who want Gallagher, I'm not sure we want to rely on raw rookies the last few weeks of the season and into the playoffs. I'll take my chances with a guy who's been there.

 

He hasnt had a solid Aug, hes been getting by on luck. !.53 Whip. He walks alot of guys, and doesnt strike people out. As for the "hes been there" phrase, are you serious? Trachsel sucked last year for Mets in the playoffs, just because hes a veteran doesnt mean he will be better than a rookie in the stretch run. Hell look at our rookie Hill, hes had no trouble pitching in the stretch run so far, but hows Z, and Lilly, the 2 veterans been doing?

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I don't think this is a horrible deal. Trachsel is a useful arm and Moore and Cherry aren't very interesting players. Maybe the Cubs will catch lightening in a bottle ala Jeff Weaver.

[Mizzou]

This just sounds like the usual negative reaction to pretty much everything Hendry does.

 

I'm not a Hendry defender. I personally would also have done this trade in a sec.

 

Then you aren't looking at this the least bit rationally. Hendry gets crap because he makes crap moves. How else do you barely break .500 over 5 seasons with a top tier payroll?

 

Steve Trachsel is a terrible pitcher. He was decent from time to time earlier in his career, but he sucked last year and he's sucked this year. He was destroyed late in the Mets postseason run last year, because he sucks. He's walking a ton of guys and not striking out anybody, and he's giving up a considerable amount of hits. He's been lucky in August that his ERA is as low as it has been.

Steve Trachsel is not a terrible pitcher. I wish, for once, that you'd drop the hyperbole.

[JeffH]

Trachsel is a useful arm

 

Trachsel is a useful arm for unloading groceries or laying sod.

 

As a pitcher, he's one of MLB's worst.

 

You've heard of addition by subtraction?

 

Welcome to subtraction by addition.

[Keener98]

I don't think this is a horrible deal. Trachsel is a useful arm and Moore and Cherry aren't very interesting players. Maybe the Cubs will catch lightening in a bottle ala Jeff Weaver.

 

I dont think anybody here is really that upset with losing Moore or Cherry, we all know they arent going to be anything special. However for a team trying to make the playoffs, our GM has made 3 trades this year, and every single one of them was a "hope to catch lightening in the bottle' type of trade. It sure would be nice if we could get a player under 35 years old, who has been good this year, that you dont have to hope is going to be good, but instead you say, :"hell yea he is going to help out".

[E.J.]

This just sounds like the usual negative reaction to pretty much everything Hendry does.

 

I'm not a Hendry defender. I personally would also have done this trade in a sec.

 

Then you aren't looking at this the least bit rationally. Hendry gets crap because he makes crap moves. How else do you barely break .500 over 5 seasons with a top tier payroll?

 

Steve Trachsel is a terrible pitcher. He was decent from time to time earlier in his career, but he sucked last year and he's sucked this year. He was destroyed late in the Mets postseason run last year, because he sucks. He's walking a ton of guys and not striking out anybody, and he's giving up a considerable amount of hits. He's been lucky in August that his ERA is as low as it has been.

Steve Trachsel is not a terrible pitcher. I wish, for once, that you'd drop the hyperbole.

 

Opponents have a near .800 OPS against him the past 3 years. I'd say that's pretty terrible.

[Mizzou]

This just sounds like the usual negative reaction to pretty much everything Hendry does.

 

I'm not a Hendry defender. I personally would also have done this trade in a sec.

 

Then you aren't looking at this the least bit rationally. Hendry gets crap because he makes crap moves. How else do you barely break .500 over 5 seasons with a top tier payroll?

 

Steve Trachsel is a terrible pitcher. He was decent from time to time earlier in his career, but he sucked last year and he's sucked this year. He was destroyed late in the Mets postseason run last year, because he sucks. He's walking a ton of guys and not striking out anybody, and he's giving up a considerable amount of hits. He's been lucky in August that his ERA is as low as it has been.

Steve Trachsel is not a terrible pitcher. I wish, for once, that you'd drop the hyperbole.

 

Opponents have a near .800 OPS against him the past 3 years. I'd say that's pretty terrible.

Okay... if you look league wide, an 800 OPS against would rank Trachsel 75th in baseball, which would make him a number three starter. So unless every single 4th and 5th starter in baseball is "terrible", then no, Steve Trachsel is not a terrible pitcher.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Trachsel is a useful arm

 

Trachsel is a useful arm for unloading groceries or laying sod.

 

As a pitcher, he's one of MLB's worst.

 

You've heard of addition by subtraction?

 

Welcome to subtraction by addition.

 

 

This isn't terrible:

 

Trachsel is 6-8 with a 4.48 earned-run average at Baltimore but is 1-1 in six August starts with a 2.37 ERA. He'll likely become the long man in the bullpen and a spot starter as well. The Cubs will need a sixth starter for their Sept. 15 double-header at St. Louis.

 

 

His ERA+ is 99 which makes him an above average starter. He's pretty useful.

Edited August 31, 2007 by CardsFanInChiTown

[nilodnayr]

I don't think this is a horrible deal. Trachsel is a useful arm and Moore and Cherry aren't very interesting players. Maybe the Cubs will catch lightening in a bottle ala Jeff Weaver.

 

I dont think anybody here is really that upset with losing Moore or Cherry, we all know they arent going to be anything special. However for a team trying to make the playoffs, our GM has made 3 trades this year, and every single one of them was a "hope to catch lightening in the bottle' type of trade. It sure would be nice if we could get a player under 35 years old, who has been good this year, that you dont have to hope is going to be good, but instead you say, :"hell yea he is going to help out".

 

While in a vacuum, loosing Moore, Cherry, and Rapada is no big deal, but when you consider that instead of using them, our GM has or will sign mediocre/crappy veterans to multi-year multi-million dollar contracts, we just wasted about 4.5M/year to acquire two guys who will arguably hurt us for the rest of the season. This organization is horribly penny foolish and it adds up to hurt them.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

wrong thread sorry Edited August 31, 2007 by GoCubsGo!!

[David]

Trachsel is a useful arm

 

Trachsel is a useful arm for unloading groceries or laying sod.

 

As a pitcher, he's one of MLB's worst.

 

You've heard of addition by subtraction?

 

Welcome to subtraction by addition.

 

 

This isn't terrible:

 

Trachsel is 6-8 with a 4.48 earned-run average at Baltimore but is 1-1 in six August starts with a 2.37 ERA. He'll likely become the long man in the bullpen and a spot starter as well. The Cubs will need a sixth starter for their Sept. 15 double-header at St. Louis.

 

 

His ERA+ is 99 which makes him an above average starter. He's pretty useful.

 

Wouldn't that ERA+ make him just a hair below average (or basically average)? I was under the impression that the ERA+ scale was similar to an IQ scale in that 100 = average. How wrong was I?

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I don't think this is a horrible deal. Trachsel is a useful arm and Moore and Cherry aren't very interesting players. Maybe the Cubs will catch lightening in a bottle ala Jeff Weaver.

 

I dont think anybody here is really that upset with losing Moore or Cherry, we all know they arent going to be anything special. However for a team trying to make the playoffs, our GM has made 3 trades this year, and every single one of them was a "hope to catch lightening in the bottle' type of trade. It sure would be nice if we could get a player under 35 years old, who has been good this year, that you dont have to hope is going to be good, but instead you say, :"hell yea he is going to help out".

 

While in a vacuum, loosing Moore, Cherry, and Rapada is no big deal, but when you consider that instead of using them, our GM has or will sign mediocre/crappy veterans to multi-year multi-million dollar contracts, we just wasted about 4.5M/year to acquire two guys who will arguably hurt us for the rest of the season. This organization is horribly penny foolish and it adds up to hurt them.

 

 

Isn't this a little defeatist? You claim they should have kept junk like Cherry and Moore because you know the Cubs sign a crappy player instead. The deal makes some sense.

[snoodmonger]

Well this is somewhat encouraging from the Trib...

 

Trachsel is 6-8 with a 4.48 earned-run average at Baltimore but is 1-1 in six August starts with a 2.37 ERA. He'll likely become the long man in the bullpen and a spot starter as well. The Cubs will need a sixth starter for their Sept. 15 double-header at St. Louis.

 

If that's what he's used for...I'll cope.

 

As if that day wasn't going to be long enough for the Cubs to begin with, now Trachs is starting one of the games...hope those dugouts are comfy.

Edited August 31, 2007 by snoodmonger

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Wouldn't that ERA+ make him just a hair below average (or basically average)? I was under the impression that the ERA+ scale was similar to an IQ scale in that 100 = average. How wrong was I?

 

A starters avg ERA+ is 95. Relief pitchers is around 105, I think.

 

 

Additionally he'll get a boost switching leagues.

[Andy]

after thinking about this trade for a little bit now...

 

i quite like it

 

actually...for as much bashing as hendry receives...i think he has done an exceptional job this season...barring the barrett trade...which really was just a dump trade, or at least it severely appears so...but...so be it...

 

i like the additions he has added and i think with these additions he has set this club up to make a run in every possible facet...

 

kudos hendry...sometimes you make me mad...but...you definitely deserve a "job well done" this season my man!

You do realize Barrett has been totally worthless since leaving the Cubs right? I wish we'd have gotten more than Bowen, but trading Barrett away looks to have been a damn good move from where I sit.

 

This one wasn't a good move, but as has already been said, Moore and Cherry had next to no chance to be big club contributors anyway.

[3Dog]

Note to self - get Jersey a Jim Hendry pinata for his next birthday.

[Keener98]

Note to self - get Jersey a Jim Hendry pinata for his next birthday.

 

I think Goony along with myself, would just prefer that after this season we dont have to hear the words "Jim Hendry Gm of the Chicago Cubs".

[Transmogrified Tiger]

This just sounds like the usual negative reaction to pretty much everything Hendry does.

 

I'm not a Hendry defender. I personally would also have done this trade in a sec.

 

Then you aren't looking at this the least bit rationally. Hendry gets crap because he makes crap moves. How else do you barely break .500 over 5 seasons with a top tier payroll?

 

Steve Trachsel is a terrible pitcher. He was decent from time to time earlier in his career, but he sucked last year and he's sucked this year. He was destroyed late in the Mets postseason run last year, because he sucks. He's walking a ton of guys and not striking out anybody, and he's giving up a considerable amount of hits. He's been lucky in August that his ERA is as low as it has been.

Steve Trachsel is not a terrible pitcher. I wish, for once, that you'd drop the hyperbole.

 

Opponents have a near .800 OPS against him the past 3 years. I'd say that's pretty terrible.

Okay... if you look league wide, an 800 OPS against would rank Trachsel 75th in baseball, which would make him a number three starter. So unless every single 4th and 5th starter in baseball is "terrible", then no, Steve Trachsel is not a terrible pitcher.

 

For pitchers with at least 100 IP....

 

Trachsel is dead last in K/BB, behind such legends as Joe Kennedy and Mike Maroth as the only players with a K/BB below 1.

 

Trachsel is bad.

[YearofDaCubs]

Smelly garbage for rotten garbage. I just wonder if Trachsel is going to move into the rotation for Marshall, and Marshall used in the bullpen. That's what I'm expecting. Marquis isn't going anywhere either.

[Alfonso Soriano]

I sure hope this is a joke

[Mizzou]

This just sounds like the usual negative reaction to pretty much everything Hendry does.

 

I'm not a Hendry defender. I personally would also have done this trade in a sec.

 

Then you aren't looking at this the least bit rationally. Hendry gets crap because he makes crap moves. How else do you barely break .500 over 5 seasons with a top tier payroll?

 

Steve Trachsel is a terrible pitcher. He was decent from time to time earlier in his career, but he sucked last year and he's sucked this year. He was destroyed late in the Mets postseason run last year, because he sucks. He's walking a ton of guys and not striking out anybody, and he's giving up a considerable amount of hits. He's been lucky in August that his ERA is as low as it has been.

Steve Trachsel is not a terrible pitcher. I wish, for once, that you'd drop the hyperbole.

 

Opponents have a near .800 OPS against him the past 3 years. I'd say that's pretty terrible.

Okay... if you look league wide, an 800 OPS against would rank Trachsel 75th in baseball, which would make him a number three starter. So unless every single 4th and 5th starter in baseball is "terrible", then no, Steve Trachsel is not a terrible pitcher.

 

For pitchers with at least 100 IP....

 

Trachsel is dead last in K/BB, behind such legends as Joe Kennedy and Mike Maroth as the only players with a K/BB below 1.

 

Trachsel is bad.

No, Trachsel is average. His OPS against, WHIP, and ERA all place him as a 3rd or 4th starter.

[jersey cubs fan]

This just sounds like the usual negative reaction to pretty much everything Hendry does.

 

I'm not a Hendry defender. I personally would also have done this trade in a sec.

 

Then you aren't looking at this the least bit rationally. Hendry gets crap because he makes crap moves. How else do you barely break .500 over 5 seasons with a top tier payroll?

 

Steve Trachsel is a terrible pitcher. He was decent from time to time earlier in his career, but he sucked last year and he's sucked this year. He was destroyed late in the Mets postseason run last year, because he sucks. He's walking a ton of guys and not striking out anybody, and he's giving up a considerable amount of hits. He's been lucky in August that his ERA is as low as it has been.

Steve Trachsel is not a terrible pitcher. I wish, for once, that you'd drop the hyperbole.

 

Opponents have a near .800 OPS against him the past 3 years. I'd say that's pretty terrible.

Okay... if you look league wide, an 800 OPS against would rank Trachsel 75th in baseball, which would make him a number three starter. So unless every single 4th and 5th starter in baseball is "terrible", then no, Steve Trachsel is not a terrible pitcher.

 

For pitchers with at least 100 IP....

 

Trachsel is dead last in K/BB, behind such legends as Joe Kennedy and Mike Maroth as the only players with a K/BB below 1.

 

Trachsel is bad.

No, Trachsel is average. His OPS against, WHIP, and ERA all place him as a 3rd or 4th starter.

 

are you kidding me?

[UK1679666180]

Hopefully, he can give the Cubs top 4 starters some rest in Sept. w/out costing them some games.

 

All depends on how hard he has been hit, if he's not giving up line drive base hits all over the park and more of a fly ball Lilly-lite type of pitcher he might be able to sneak by as a pitcher that makes you wonder how he gets hitters out.

 

His stuff isn't anything above a career minor leaguer at this point, but he's getting them out.

[Mizzou]

This just sounds like the usual negative reaction to pretty much everything Hendry does.

 

I'm not a Hendry defender. I personally would also have done this trade in a sec.

 

Then you aren't looking at this the least bit rationally. Hendry gets crap because he makes crap moves. How else do you barely break .500 over 5 seasons with a top tier payroll?

 

Steve Trachsel is a terrible pitcher. He was decent from time to time earlier in his career, but he sucked last year and he's sucked this year. He was destroyed late in the Mets postseason run last year, because he sucks. He's walking a ton of guys and not striking out anybody, and he's giving up a considerable amount of hits. He's been lucky in August that his ERA is as low as it has been.

Steve Trachsel is not a terrible pitcher. I wish, for once, that you'd drop the hyperbole.

 

Opponents have a near .800 OPS against him the past 3 years. I'd say that's pretty terrible.

Okay... if you look league wide, an 800 OPS against would rank Trachsel 75th in baseball, which would make him a number three starter. So unless every single 4th and 5th starter in baseball is "terrible", then no, Steve Trachsel is not a terrible pitcher.

 

For pitchers with at least 100 IP....

 

Trachsel is dead last in K/BB, behind such legends as Joe Kennedy and Mike Maroth as the only players with a K/BB below 1.

 

Trachsel is bad.

No, Trachsel is average. His OPS against, WHIP, and ERA all place him as a 3rd or 4th starter.

 

are you kidding me?

What's that supposed to mean?

 

Feel free to check the numbers yourself.

[jersey cubs fan]

Feel free to check the numbers yourself.

 

WHIP over 1.50 and absolutely ridiculously terrible K/BB, what else needs to be checked? He's awful. He was awful last year with an ERA of nearly 5, he was over 5 this year until he started getting lucky in August. He still can't strike anybody out, he's walking more than he strikes out and giving up too many baserunners.

 

He's awful.