Jacque Jones Deal to Marlins is Off Because of Hendry

[TruffleShuffle]

What about Nick Ungs. I know he's in triple a but is getting up there in age for a "prospect" They've never given him a shot, maybe they gave up on him. He played his HS ball in my neck of the woods.

 

We've heard that it's a lefty from low-A Greensboro, so if that's true, it eliminates Ungs.

 

Man, I saw Ungs back in 2002 when I went to a game in Jupiter to see the friend of a friend play. That team had a couple of good players - Will Smith, Chip Ambres, Josh Wilson, Denny Bautista, Josh Willingham, and some guy named Miguel Cabrera.

[abuck1220]

If the Cubs pay most of his salary then yes they should.

 

No kidding. If the Cubs are paying the majority of the salary, they better get something good in return. You don't get throw away prospects and pay for all the salary.

 

wanna bet? the cubs were desperate to get rid of jones, he's not very good, he's expensive, and he's got another year on his contract. the cubs will pay a bunch of $ and likely get very little in return.

[XZero771679666304]

Personally, I liked Jacque Jones. Jacque Jones the player is another issue altogether.

 

 

I don't care what we get in return. If we get a decent prospect, so much the better. If we get nothing, that's just fine. It needed to be done, regardless of the details.

[abuck1220]

What about Nick Ungs. I know he's in triple a but is getting up there in age for a "prospect" They've never given him a shot, maybe they gave up on him. He played his HS ball in my neck of the woods.

 

We've heard that it's a lefty from low-A Greensboro, so if that's true, it eliminates Ungs.

So that then leaves

 

Tom Cowley (age 23) - 65.1 IP, 3.31 ERA, 49 K/18 BB

Avi Rasowsky (age 24) - 19.1 IP, 5.59 ERA, 20 K/7 BB

 

Cowley please, I guess.

 

really?

[UMFan83]

What has been going on since 5:00. The Marlins board is saying that the trade has hit a snag over money. Has this been reported over here yet? Where did the pictures of the Mermaids go?

[TruffleShuffle]

i wonder if tom cowley is joe cowley's son... man that guy was a bad pitcher.

[ChiCubsFan]

What about Nick Ungs. I know he's in triple a but is getting up there in age for a "prospect" They've never given him a shot, maybe they gave up on him. He played his HS ball in my neck of the woods.

 

We've heard that it's a lefty from low-A Greensboro, so if that's true, it eliminates Ungs.

So that then leaves

 

Tom Cowley (age 23) - 65.1 IP, 3.31 ERA, 49 K/18 BB

Avi Rasowsky (age 24) - 19.1 IP, 5.59 ERA, 20 K/7 BB

 

For the amount the Cubs are paying the Marlins should do better than that. Not as good as Sean West, mind you, but better than that.

Aaron Thompson please. He is a lefty and in Single A, however, it's High A Jupiter and not low A Greensboro. Maybe someone got their facts mixed up? I sure hope so. If we're picking up almost all of Jones contract, we better get a solid prospect back.

[Guest]

What has been going on since 5:00. The Marlins board is saying that the trade has hit a snag over money. Has this been reported over here yet? Where did the pictures of the Mermaids go?

 

CSN (?) reported Jones would be traded for a minor league lefty at low-A Greensboro and the Cubs would give the Marlins $5 million. There have been reports of a snag from Fox Sports and Ken Rosenthal over money.

[SAMMYWHO]

What about Nick Ungs. I know he's in triple a but is getting up there in age for a "prospect" They've never given him a shot, maybe they gave up on him. He played his HS ball in my neck of the woods.

 

We've heard that it's a lefty from low-A Greensboro, so if that's true, it eliminates Ungs.

So that then leaves

 

Tom Cowley (age 23) - 65.1 IP, 3.31 ERA, 49 K/18 BB

Avi Rasowsky (age 24) - 19.1 IP, 5.59 ERA, 20 K/7 BB

 

Cowley please, I guess.

 

That's kind of why I suggested Ungs. All this money supposedly going with Jones doesn't make sense to get one of those two back. I know, I know bag of balls is all he's worth.

 

really?

[abuck1220]

What about Nick Ungs. I know he's in triple a but is getting up there in age for a "prospect" They've never given him a shot, maybe they gave up on him. He played his HS ball in my neck of the woods.

 

We've heard that it's a lefty from low-A Greensboro, so if that's true, it eliminates Ungs.

So that then leaves

 

Tom Cowley (age 23) - 65.1 IP, 3.31 ERA, 49 K/18 BB

Avi Rasowsky (age 24) - 19.1 IP, 5.59 ERA, 20 K/7 BB

 

For the amount the Cubs are paying the Marlins should do better than that. Not as good as Sean West, mind you, but better than that.

Aaron Thompson please. He is a lefty and in Single A, however, it's High A Jupiter and not low A Greensboro. Maybe someone got their facts mixed up? I sure hope so. If we're picking up almost all of Jones contract, we better get a solid prospect back.

 

i don't know why people keep saying this. if the cubs were taking on a multi-year obligation to a past his prime OF with an OPS of .600, would you expect the cubs to give up somebody good to get him?

[ChiCubsFan]

If the Cubs pay most of his salary then yes they should.

 

No kidding. If the Cubs are paying the majority of the salary, they better get something good in return. You don't get throw away prospects and pay for all the salary.

 

wanna bet? the cubs were desperate to get rid of jones, he's not very good, he's expensive, and he's got another year on his contract. the cubs will pay a bunch of $ and likely get very little in return.

 

Then we should have DFAed him and released him a long time ago. Why pay the Marlins to have a potentially productive player in their lineup for the rest of the year and all of next year for nearly no cost?

[TruffleShuffle]

good prospect? are you people high?

[abuck1220]

If the Cubs pay most of his salary then yes they should.

 

No kidding. If the Cubs are paying the majority of the salary, they better get something good in return. You don't get throw away prospects and pay for all the salary.

 

wanna bet? the cubs were desperate to get rid of jones, he's not very good, he's expensive, and he's got another year on his contract. the cubs will pay a bunch of $ and likely get very little in return.

 

Then we should have DFAed him and released him a long time ago. Why pay the Marlins to have a potentially productive player in their lineup for the rest of the year and all of next year for nearly no cost?

 

because that's what you do when you sign bad players like jones to bad contracts and then build your roster in such a way as to inevitably cause a huge cluster f.

[ChiCubsFan]

What about Nick Ungs. I know he's in triple a but is getting up there in age for a "prospect" They've never given him a shot, maybe they gave up on him. He played his HS ball in my neck of the woods.

 

We've heard that it's a lefty from low-A Greensboro, so if that's true, it eliminates Ungs.

So that then leaves

 

Tom Cowley (age 23) - 65.1 IP, 3.31 ERA, 49 K/18 BB

Avi Rasowsky (age 24) - 19.1 IP, 5.59 ERA, 20 K/7 BB

 

For the amount the Cubs are paying the Marlins should do better than that. Not as good as Sean West, mind you, but better than that.

Aaron Thompson please. He is a lefty and in Single A, however, it's High A Jupiter and not low A Greensboro. Maybe someone got their facts mixed up? I sure hope so. If we're picking up almost all of Jones contract, we better get a solid prospect back.

 

i don't know why people keep saying this. if the cubs were taking on a multi-year obligation to a past his prime OF with an OPS of .600, would you expect the cubs to give up somebody good to get him?

 

No, but Jones had a decent season last year. It depends how much we pay him. If the Marlins still have to pay 2-3 mil then I don't expect much back. But if they pay less then that, then we should get a decent prospect in return. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense to trade him to a potential wild card contender and pay for him to potentially revert back to his form of last year and become somewhat productive. I'd rather cut him than pay for him to play somewhere else.

[XZero771679666304]

If the Cubs pay most of his salary then yes they should.

 

No kidding. If the Cubs are paying the majority of the salary, they better get something good in return. You don't get throw away prospects and pay for all the salary.

 

wanna bet? the cubs were desperate to get rid of jones, he's not very good, he's expensive, and he's got another year on his contract. the cubs will pay a bunch of $ and likely get very little in return.

 

Then we should have DFAed him and released him a long time ago. Why pay the Marlins to have a potentially productive player in their lineup for the rest of the year and all of next year for nearly no cost?

 

because that's what you do when you sign bad players like jones to bad contracts and then build your roster in such a way as to inevitably cause a huge cluster f.

 

Exactly. Jones has been so bad this year that this sort of thing was really the only way to get rid of him, considering his contract.

[Roast]

'bout 40 minutes till game time now. Is this final yet?

 

If not, what are the ramifications for tonights game?

[illiniguy]

Whomever said Aaron Thompson has to be on some good drugs.

[abuck1220]

What about Nick Ungs. I know he's in triple a but is getting up there in age for a "prospect" They've never given him a shot, maybe they gave up on him. He played his HS ball in my neck of the woods.

 

We've heard that it's a lefty from low-A Greensboro, so if that's true, it eliminates Ungs.

So that then leaves

 

Tom Cowley (age 23) - 65.1 IP, 3.31 ERA, 49 K/18 BB

Avi Rasowsky (age 24) - 19.1 IP, 5.59 ERA, 20 K/7 BB

 

For the amount the Cubs are paying the Marlins should do better than that. Not as good as Sean West, mind you, but better than that.

Aaron Thompson please. He is a lefty and in Single A, however, it's High A Jupiter and not low A Greensboro. Maybe someone got their facts mixed up? I sure hope so. If we're picking up almost all of Jones contract, we better get a solid prospect back.

 

i don't know why people keep saying this. if the cubs were taking on a multi-year obligation to a past his prime OF with an OPS of .600, would you expect the cubs to give up somebody good to get him?

 

No, but Jones had a decent season last year. It depends how much we pay him. If the Marlins still have to pay 2-3 mil then I don't expect much back. But if they pay less then that, then we should get a decent prospect in return. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense to trade him to a potential wild card contender and pay for him to potentially revert back to his form of last year and become somewhat productive. I'd rather cut him than pay for him to play somewhere else.

 

there's really no difference between cutting him + paying him his contract while he signs with florida for $500k and paying him to pay for florida.

[XZero771679666304]

Whomever said Aaron Thompson has to be on some good drugs.

 

If this goes through, we're getting next to nothing or nothing. It's just the reality of the situation.

[Deeg]

38 pages later...

 

Can someone give me a quick overview on this?

 

Is it official? Who did we get? How much money involved? What's the corresponding move?

 

So far:

 

Jones, PTBNL, $1 to the Marlins for an A ball pitcher.

 

However, it was just reported that the deal has hit a "snag"

Only one million? WOW! Way to go Hendry!

 

If it's only $1 million, the PTNBL is probably Pie...

 

PTBNL would have to be a minor leaguer.

 

Kidding guys, Kidding...

[ChiCubsFan]

What about Nick Ungs. I know he's in triple a but is getting up there in age for a "prospect" They've never given him a shot, maybe they gave up on him. He played his HS ball in my neck of the woods.

 

We've heard that it's a lefty from low-A Greensboro, so if that's true, it eliminates Ungs.

So that then leaves

 

Tom Cowley (age 23) - 65.1 IP, 3.31 ERA, 49 K/18 BB

Avi Rasowsky (age 24) - 19.1 IP, 5.59 ERA, 20 K/7 BB

 

For the amount the Cubs are paying the Marlins should do better than that. Not as good as Sean West, mind you, but better than that.

Aaron Thompson please. He is a lefty and in Single A, however, it's High A Jupiter and not low A Greensboro. Maybe someone got their facts mixed up? I sure hope so. If we're picking up almost all of Jones contract, we better get a solid prospect back.

 

i don't know why people keep saying this. if the cubs were taking on a multi-year obligation to a past his prime OF with an OPS of .600, would you expect the cubs to give up somebody good to get him?

 

No, but Jones had a decent season last year. It depends how much we pay him. If the Marlins still have to pay 2-3 mil then I don't expect much back. But if they pay less then that, then we should get a decent prospect in return. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense to trade him to a potential wild card contender and pay for him to potentially revert back to his form of last year and become somewhat productive. I'd rather cut him than pay for him to play somewhere else.

 

there's really no difference between cutting him + paying him his contract while he signs with florida for $500k and paying him to pay for florida.

 

So if we were to cut him and then he signs with FL for 500k, that lasts the rest of this year AND next year? I thought it was only for the rest of the current season.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Anybody remember the poster who got b& because he wrote a thread prior to the 2006 season about how we'd all love Jones and all. Then when we ripped him about Jones, he flew off the handle.

 

I'd love to have his contributions today.

[Alfonso Soriano]

Uhhh Guys:

Money holding up Marlins' deal for Jones

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6963972

[YearofDaCubs]

Uhhh Guys:

Money holding up Marlins' deal for Jones

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6963972

It's been posted already.

[Guest]

I say take care of all his contract (or however much Bud allows) and try to milk as good a prospect as you can.