Cubs trade Barrett to Padres for Rob Bowen & Kyler Burke

[Sarcastic]

I didn't like the idea of trading barrett like most people, but I didn't mind it if we got something good for him. I don't know much about our acquisitions, but they don't sound awe-inspiring so far.

 

Thus, I'm bummed about this trade.

 

I am one of the few who has really never liked Barrett. But you have to look at it from the standpoint of there's no way he would be re-signed next year to a similar contract that he's received over the past four years. Also, as much as I dislike Hendry, maybe some players expressed some dislike for Barrett. I don't know. Having said that, if you were another MLB team would you have given up a lot for Barrett? I sure wouldn't.

 

I still think it's funny that seven years ago Felipe Alou said that Barrett would never be a good MLB catcher (from a defensive standpoint). Seven years later I think Barrett is closer to being a bad defensive catcher than a good one.

 

And yet, he could actually hit. I would have rather gotten the supplemental pick and Barrett for the rest of the year than a backup catcher and a awful prospect.

[dalgreen]

I didn't like the idea of trading barrett like most people, but I didn't mind it if we got something good for him. I don't know much about our acquisitions, but they don't sound awe-inspiring so far.

 

Thus, I'm bummed about this trade.

 

I am one of the few who has really never liked Barrett. But you have to look at it from the standpoint of there's no way he would be re-signed next year to a similar contract that he's received over the past four years. Also, as much as I dislike Hendry, maybe some players expressed some dislike for Barrett. I don't know. Having said that, if you were another MLB team would you have given up a lot for Barrett? I sure wouldn't.

 

I still think it's funny that seven years ago Felipe Alou said that Barrett would never be a good MLB catcher (from a defensive standpoint). Seven years later I think Barrett is closer to being a bad defensive catcher than a good one.

 

And yet, he could actually hit. I would have rather gotten the supplemental pick and Barrett for the rest of the year than a backup catcher and a awful prospect.

 

You wouldn't need an offensive catcher if you had a GM smart enough to get offensive players at other positions. The Astros and Cardinals have done quite well over the past ten years without offensive catchers.

[nilodnayr]

I didn't like the idea of trading barrett like most people, but I didn't mind it if we got something good for him. I don't know much about our acquisitions, but they don't sound awe-inspiring so far.

 

Thus, I'm bummed about this trade.

 

I am one of the few who has really never liked Barrett. But you have to look at it from the standpoint of there's no way he would be re-signed next year to a similar contract that he's received over the past four years. Also, as much as I dislike Hendry, maybe some players expressed some dislike for Barrett. I don't know. Having said that, if you were another MLB team would you have given up a lot for Barrett? I sure wouldn't.

 

I still think it's funny that seven years ago Felipe Alou said that Barrett would never be a good MLB catcher (from a defensive standpoint). Seven years later I think Barrett is closer to being a bad defensive catcher than a good one.

 

And yet, he could actually hit. I would have rather gotten the supplemental pick and Barrett for the rest of the year than a backup catcher and a awful prospect.

 

You wouldn't need an offensive catcher if you had a GM smart enough to get offensive players at other positions. The Astros and Cardinals have done quite well over the past ten years without offensive catchers.

 

I think the whole point is we dont...

[Sarcastic]

I didn't like the idea of trading barrett like most people, but I didn't mind it if we got something good for him. I don't know much about our acquisitions, but they don't sound awe-inspiring so far.

 

Thus, I'm bummed about this trade.

 

I am one of the few who has really never liked Barrett. But you have to look at it from the standpoint of there's no way he would be re-signed next year to a similar contract that he's received over the past four years. Also, as much as I dislike Hendry, maybe some players expressed some dislike for Barrett. I don't know. Having said that, if you were another MLB team would you have given up a lot for Barrett? I sure wouldn't.

 

I still think it's funny that seven years ago Felipe Alou said that Barrett would never be a good MLB catcher (from a defensive standpoint). Seven years later I think Barrett is closer to being a bad defensive catcher than a good one.

 

And yet, he could actually hit. I would have rather gotten the supplemental pick and Barrett for the rest of the year than a backup catcher and a awful prospect.

 

You wouldn't need an offensive catcher if you had a GM smart enough to get offensive players at other positions. The Astros and Cardinals have done quite well over the past ten years without offensive catchers.

 

That is so incredibly beside the point. Any offense helps, and offense from the catcher's spot is highly valuable, regardless of how good the rest of the team is at hitting. Trading a good hitter for a crappy one is never a good move, whether you have a team of A-Rods' or a team of Neifis'.

[abuck1220]

I didn't like the idea of trading barrett like most people, but I didn't mind it if we got something good for him. I don't know much about our acquisitions, but they don't sound awe-inspiring so far.

 

Thus, I'm bummed about this trade.

 

I am one of the few who has really never liked Barrett. But you have to look at it from the standpoint of there's no way he would be re-signed next year to a similar contract that he's received over the past four years. Also, as much as I dislike Hendry, maybe some players expressed some dislike for Barrett. I don't know. Having said that, if you were another MLB team would you have given up a lot for Barrett? I sure wouldn't.

 

I still think it's funny that seven years ago Felipe Alou said that Barrett would never be a good MLB catcher (from a defensive standpoint). Seven years later I think Barrett is closer to being a bad defensive catcher than a good one.

 

And yet, he could actually hit. I would have rather gotten the supplemental pick and Barrett for the rest of the year than a backup catcher and a awful prospect.

 

You wouldn't need an offensive catcher if you had a GM smart enough to get offensive players at other positions. The Astros and Cardinals have done quite well over the past ten years without offensive catchers.

 

but those catchers were good defensively. neither hill nor bowen is especially good defensively.

[Careless]

Okay, to expand on what I said earlier about Greene... Bruce Levine apparently reported this was the original deal:

 

Jones, Izturis, Barrett, cash, for Greene, Bowen

 

If that was the original deal, it's good simply because of how much dead weight we would have lost.

 

That would be crazy if true.

I heard levine say this. Compared to what actually happened, well... I hate that I heard him say it.

[TruffleShuffle]

Okay, to expand on what I said earlier about Greene... Bruce Levine apparently reported this was the original deal:

 

Jones, Izturis, Barrett, cash, for Greene, Bowen

 

If that was the original deal, it's good simply because of how much dead weight we would have lost.

 

That would be crazy if true.

I heard levine say this. Compared to what actually happened, well... I hate that I heard him say it.

 

I've never even heard Bruce Levine, but from what I've read on message boards, I'd never believe any news that he "breaks"

[NCCubFan]

I would have rather gotten the supplemental pick and Barrett for the rest of the year than a backup catcher and a awful prospect.

To get the supplemental pick the Cubs would have had to offer Barrett arbitration. I don't think they would have done that and risked him accepting.

[Sarcastic]

I would have rather gotten the supplemental pick and Barrett for the rest of the year than a backup catcher and a awful prospect.

To get the supplemental pick the Cubs would have had to offer Barrett arbitration. I don't think they would have done that and risked him accepting.

 

Why would he accept? Chances are that he would get a multi-year deal elsewhere unless he really tanks for the rest of the season. I wouldn't want to the Cubs to be the team that signed a 30 year old catcher to a multi-year deal, but it given the current state of the FA market, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see someone make the offer.

 

Even if he did accept, I think he may end up being somewhat productive for one more year. His bat was heating up when they decided to trade him.

[TruffleShuffle]

I just thought of one added benefit of this trade. if Hill was tipping his pitches, the Cubs will now know what he was doing and can correct it.

 

Why would trading Barrett allow them to find out how Hill was tipping pitches?

 

Because the cubs played against Bowen and the Padres Sunday. If Hill was tipping his pitches, you better believe all the Padres hitters were told what to look for.

 

That's a good point and something to consider. Did Rich have two really bad starts against the Padres? I saw him throw some pretty good pitches that were hit hard. And especially Cameron sitting on the curve to start his second AB the other day. That told me that the Padres were really seeing something, either in his delivery or pitch sequencing, that was letting them sit on a specific pitch. He left some throws up, but the Padres sat on the curve better than any other team this year. Hopefully someone is smart enough to ask Bowen what was going on (or Bowen will just stalk it over with his new pitcher).

[mhuber92211]

after just getting home and seeing the news and not interested in reading 45 pages this late at night, I do have a question for those saying that the prospect is horrible. If he is so bad, how did he get drafted so high? Obviously he has talent and a high ceiling, shouldn't we give him some more latitude given his draft status. He seems awfully similar to Pawlek in that respect in that he deserves a little time.

[santofan10]

It's funny, I go to sleep thinking there is no way the Cubs could possibly disappoint me more and yet each morning I awake to a brand new day in which they somehow find a way to look less like a major league team and more like a bunch of Little Leagers with a brainless moron at the helm (Hendry). Add this to your stellar resume Jim.

[BCVM22]

It's funny, I go to sleep thinking there is no way the Cubs could possibly disappoint me more and yet each morning I awake to a brand new day in which they somehow find a way to look less like a major league team and more like a bunch of Little Leagers with a brainless moron at the helm (Hendry). Add this to your stellar resume Jim.

 

You say this and yet provide no insight as to what about this trade inspires such a reaction.

[santofan10]

OK BCVM, you want insight, well here goes. In trading Barrett yo urid yourself of one of the best offensive catchers in th game as well as a proven leader according to numerous teammates. You lose a guy, who although over the top at times, provided some spark to an otherwise dull team that seems to go through the motions more and morte each day. We see fundemantal mistakes build upon one another, whether it is lack of communication in the field, careless situational hitting, and inexcusable baserunning. If you ask me I'd rather have an outspoken voice like Michael in the locker room.

As far as Hendry goes he has compiled a career full of mistakes into a 4 year period. He has continued to build ball clubs around power hitting who are unbelievably streaky, instead of a consistant time who manufactures runs by getting on base. We spent 300+ million this past offseason and yet we are only a few games better than last year's pace. Jim has opened the checkbook and obliged cubs fan's requests, all at the sametime overspending in the wrong places and mortgaging the Farm system-which used to be near the top of the Majors and is now a middle of the pack club. This franchise has been headed in the wrong direction for years now and we are too blind to see it.

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"Kay."

 

":D"

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"Can we be fwends?"

 

"Kay."

 

":D"

 

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"Can we be fwends?"

 

"Kay."

 

":D"

 

"I've spent the last few years in Chicago building up an immunity to Iocane powder. "

 

"Want to try my world famous roofiecolada?"

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"Can we be fwends?"

 

"Kay."

 

":D"

 

"I've spent the last few years in Chicago building up an immunity to Iocane powder. "

 

Inconcievable!

[CubinNY]

With the way the Cubs played last night, this trade could be the spark of something big, like a 6-14 record in the next 20 games.

 

That would be great.

[Chocolate Milk]

With the way the Cubs played last night, this trade could be the spark of something big, like a 6-14 record in the next 20 games.

 

That would be great.

 

That lineup was brutal last night. We better get used to it.

[soapy]

This was nothing more than the dumping of a player that the manager no longer wanted on the team. What was given in return means nothing. He was not going to be resigned and Lou wanted him out.

God I hate this kind of reasoning.

[XZero771679666304]

With the way the Cubs played last night, this trade could be the spark of something big, like a 6-14 record in the next 20 games.

 

That would be great.

 

That lineup was brutal last night. We better get used to it.

 

The lineup will look a lot better starting on Friday.

 

But what I don't understand is how Jones keeps getting PT. DH Ward and put Floyd in RF for God's sake. The lineup would look a lot better.

[CubColtPacer]

With the way the Cubs played last night, this trade could be the spark of something big, like a 6-14 record in the next 20 games.

 

That would be great.

 

That lineup was brutal last night. We better get used to it.

 

The lineup will look a lot better starting on Friday.

 

But what I don't understand is how Jones keeps getting PT. DH Ward and put Floyd in RF for God's sake. The lineup would look a lot better.

 

Well, to be fair Jones hasn't been the problem the 3 days he has been starting. He is 3/9, with a .333/.400/.555 line over that time. Ward is going to play 1st today and Lee DH, so hopefully Floyd will play RF and get Jacque out of the lineup today.

 

I agree that the lineup will look a lot better with Ramirez (and with DeRosa, who we were missing last night).

[Chocolate Milk]

With the way the Cubs played last night, this trade could be the spark of something big, like a 6-14 record in the next 20 games.

 

That would be great.

 

That lineup was brutal last night. We better get used to it.

 

The lineup will look a lot better starting on Friday.

 

Aram coming back on Friday? I missed this. You have made me very happy, my friend.