Mets "Covet" Z

[Guest]

Why do people want fernando martinez? He puts up a .700 ops in high A.

 

in 30 games... great sample size

Ok, he had a few more games than that last year and he was ok. I get that he is young, but he has really no power, can run but not steal bases, plus he is probably a center fielder. We need a right fielder who can mash.

 

He's 18 and posted an .894 OPS at low-A as a 17-year old last season.

[Soul]

If Hendry feels that the Cubs are out of it by the deadline, he'll still have quite a bit of motivation to trade for major league-ready players as opposed to much higher ceiling prospects. While this season is a big audition for him as the GM, he may very well be able to keep the job at least into next season with a new owner.

 

Really? If the Cubs are well into terrible territory at the deadline, I was thinking Hendry would become a total lame duck. How can he prove he should remain with the club under new ownership other than making the playoffs?

 

I would think any new owner would look at our payroll, and if it's not a playoff team Hendry is gone moments after the ink dries. Maybe I'm dead wrong.

[CubColtPacer]

If Hendry feels that the Cubs are out of it by the deadline, he'll still have quite a bit of motivation to trade for major league-ready players as opposed to much higher ceiling prospects. While this season is a big audition for him as the GM, he may very well be able to keep the job at least into next season with a new owner.

 

Really? If the Cubs are well into terrible territory at the deadline, I was thinking Hendry would become a total lame duck. How can he prove he should remain with the club under new ownership other than making the playoffs?

 

I would think any new owner would look at our payroll, and if it's not a playoff team Hendry is gone moments after the ink dries. Maybe I'm dead wrong.

 

A lot of it depends on who the new owner is and when they come in. The later in the offseason they take control of the team (before free agency or after free agency makes a huge difference), and the less experienced they are in baseball (because they'll have less vision on who to hire immediately as a GM), the more likely it becomes that Hendry stays the GM through the end of his contract at the end of 08.

[Soul]

If Hendry feels that the Cubs are out of it by the deadline, he'll still have quite a bit of motivation to trade for major league-ready players as opposed to much higher ceiling prospects. While this season is a big audition for him as the GM, he may very well be able to keep the job at least into next season with a new owner.

 

Really? If the Cubs are well into terrible territory at the deadline, I was thinking Hendry would become a total lame duck. How can he prove he should remain with the club under new ownership other than making the playoffs?

 

I would think any new owner would look at our payroll, and if it's not a playoff team Hendry is gone moments after the ink dries. Maybe I'm dead wrong.

 

A lot of it depends on who the new owner is and when they come in. The later in the offseason they take control of the team (before free agency or after free agency makes a huge difference), and the less experienced they are in baseball (because they'll have less vision on who to hire immediately as a GM), the more likely it becomes that Hendry stays the GM through the end of his contract at the end of 08.

 

Well damn. Maybe I have to readjust my expectations. I was looking forward to some real change starting in November.

[JeffH]

Why do people want fernando martinez?

 

He's 18 and posted an .894 OPS at low-A as a 17-year old last season.

 

Thank you. I think most people fail to understand how incredible that is.

 

Scouting well and at least holding his own in leagues way too advanced for his age is a great combination.

[davearm]

If the Cubs were to trade Z, I think we would be surprised what a Good GM could get for him. I think we will only be angry with what Hendry will get for him.

 

Yes, because Hendry has such a poor track record with trading players

 

There's a difference between trading for a player(Lee, Ramirez, Barrett, Pierre(whoops!), Nomar) and trading away a player(Sosa, Patterson, Maddux). Hendry is awful at the latter, and that's what he'd be doing with Z.

Sosa, Patterson, Maddux are terrible examples. None had anywhere near the value that Zambrano has.

 

Both the pro- and anti-Hendry camps should realize that there is no comp for Zambrano on Hendry's trade resume. So using history to speculate about how well he'd do is pretty futile and silly.

 

not really. It's Jim Hendry. As a general manager, he's done a very poor job. Odds are that he'll do a poor job in what he gets in return for Zambrano.

Say what you will about Hendry's overall performance as a GM, but on the trade front he's made some terrific deals and some stinkers (not unlike most GMs, actually).

 

But a trade of Zambrano would be unlike any other he's made, so it's silly to use history to speculate whether it'd wind up as another terrific one or another stinker.

[shnsajax]

Why do people want fernando martinez?

 

He's 18 and posted an .894 OPS at low-A as a 17-year old last season.

 

Thank you. I think most people fail to understand how incredible that is.

 

Scouting well and at least holding his own in leagues way too advanced for his age is a great combination.

 

So Zambrano for Milledge and Martinez, with Milledge or Pie then going to the Marlins with Veal, Murton, and anyone else they want for Cabrera.

[TruffleShuffle]

Why do people want fernando martinez?

 

He's 18 and posted an .894 OPS at low-A as a 17-year old last season.

 

Thank you. I think most people fail to understand how incredible that is.

 

Scouting well and at least holding his own in leagues way too advanced for his age is a great combination.

 

So Zambrano for Milledge and Martinez, with Milledge or Pie then going to the Marlins with Veal, Murton, and anyone else they want for Cabrera.

 

entire cubs organization minus eric patterson for cabrera

[soccer10k]

As much as Hendry does suck, has he ever really sucked with a trade involving major people with the exception of dumping Maddux for Izzy?

 

Sosa?

[Shawon12]

If Hendry feels that the Cubs are out of it by the deadline, he'll still have quite a bit of motivation to trade for major league-ready players as opposed to much higher ceiling prospects. While this season is a big audition for him as the GM, he may very well be able to keep the job at least into next season with a new owner.

 

Really? If the Cubs are well into terrible territory at the deadline, I was thinking Hendry would become a total lame duck. How can he prove he should remain with the club under new ownership other than making the playoffs?

 

I would think any new owner would look at our payroll, and if it's not a playoff team Hendry is gone moments after the ink dries. Maybe I'm dead wrong.

 

One can only hope

[Derwood]

Why do people want fernando martinez?

 

He's 18 and posted an .894 OPS at low-A as a 17-year old last season.

 

Thank you. I think most people fail to understand how incredible that is.

 

Scouting well and at least holding his own in leagues way too advanced for his age is a great combination.

 

So Zambrano for Milledge and Martinez, with Milledge or Pie then going to the Marlins with Veal, Murton, and anyone else they want for Cabrera.

 

entire cubs organization minus eric patterson for cabrera

 

have you seen cabrera recently? dude is FAT

[Exile on Waveland]

Why do people want fernando martinez?

 

He's 18 and posted an .894 OPS at low-A as a 17-year old last season.

 

Thank you. I think most people fail to understand how incredible that is.

 

Scouting well and at least holding his own in leagues way too advanced for his age is a great combination.

 

So Zambrano for Milledge and Martinez, with Milledge or Pie then going to the Marlins with Veal, Murton, and anyone else they want for Cabrera.

 

entire cubs organization minus eric patterson for cabrera

 

have you seen cabrera recently? dude is FAT

 

320/389/571

 

He's have to become so fat that he had his own gravitational pull before I'd turn someone down with those numbers.

[Backtobanks]

Why do people want fernando martinez?

 

He's 18 and posted an .894 OPS at low-A as a 17-year old last season.

 

Thank you. I think most people fail to understand how incredible that is.

 

Scouting well and at least holding his own in leagues way too advanced for his age is a great combination.

 

So Zambrano for Milledge and Martinez, with Milledge or Pie then going to the Marlins with Veal, Murton, and anyone else they want for Cabrera.

 

entire cubs organization minus eric patterson for cabrera

 

have you seen cabrera recently? dude is FAT

 

320/389/571

 

He's have to become so fat that he had his own gravitational pull before I'd turn someone down with those numbers.

 

Cabrera and Fielder could play for the Bears. Two great hitters who can't play defense worth a lick. In 2018, they will both be great DHs.

[Exile on Waveland]

Why do people want fernando martinez?

 

He's 18 and posted an .894 OPS at low-A as a 17-year old last season.

 

Thank you. I think most people fail to understand how incredible that is.

 

Scouting well and at least holding his own in leagues way too advanced for his age is a great combination.

 

So Zambrano for Milledge and Martinez, with Milledge or Pie then going to the Marlins with Veal, Murton, and anyone else they want for Cabrera.

 

entire cubs organization minus eric patterson for cabrera

 

have you seen cabrera recently? dude is FAT

 

320/389/571

 

He's have to become so fat that he had his own gravitational pull before I'd turn someone down with those numbers.

 

Cabrera and Fielder could play for the Bears. Two great hitters who can't play defense worth a lick. In 2018, they will both be great DHs.

 

2018?! Well, considering that's 11 years from now, I'll take either.

[Soriano12]

Any trade of Z to the Mets should start with Milledge.

[Jehrico]

Why do people want fernando martinez?

 

He's 18 and posted an .894 OPS at low-A as a 17-year old last season.

 

Thank you. I think most people fail to understand how incredible that is.

 

Scouting well and at least holding his own in leagues way too advanced for his age is a great combination.

 

So Zambrano for Milledge and Martinez, with Milledge or Pie then going to the Marlins with Veal, Murton, and anyone else they want for Cabrera.

 

entire cubs organization minus eric patterson for cabrera

 

have you seen cabrera recently? dude is FAT

 

320/389/571

 

He's have to become so fat that he had his own gravitational pull before I'd turn someone down with those numbers.

I'd be concerned. Acquiring Cabrera with a long-term "win tomorrow" approach is risky. Even Cabrera isn't going to get us to the WS this year. You'll have to give up a ton of prospects, so it's not really a solid "win tomorrow" long term move. I think he's a risk because he's not taking care of himself. Griffy got criticized when he was in Seattle because he didn't take care of himself like they wanted him too. Granted, he never got fat, but not taking care of himself contributed to his injury proneness. I'm afraid that Cabrera not taking care of himself is going to start showing by the time he's 28 or so.

[Allroy]

All this talk about Cabrera. I love the kid, but where would we play him? I think he's too big and slow anymore to play OF.

[shnsajax]

All this talk about Cabrera. I love the kid, but where would we play him? I think he's too big and slow anymore to play OF.

 

So is Manny but I would have no problem in him playing the OF for the Cubs.

[nt3d]

I had to get in on this. Z is going to be a 100 million dollar man. He's a guy thats been to two All-Star games before by 25. Should be three. Plus he a pitcher. A deal would have to include Reyes at the bare minimum.

[anabiono]

i am glad you are not our gm

[bhogg]

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's ass.

 

I think we're close enough to being the mets' neighbor.

[BigbadB]

I had to get in on this. Z is going to be a 100 million dollar man. He's a guy thats been to two All-Star games before by 25. Should be three. Plus he a pitcher. A deal would have to include Reyes at the bare minimum.

 

I have no doubt Minaya loves Z very much. But, not that much.

 

There are 3 options at this point.

 

Option 1) Sign Z to a long term contract

Option 2) Let Z walk at the end of the year

Option 3) Trade him

 

Considering the Cubs organization is somewhat in limbo due to the sale, signing him is probably not likely. Considering what Z will command on the market if he becomes a free agent and how much the Cubs already have stockpiled in guaranteed contracts, some other team will easily outbid the Cubs for Z. Z has expressed loyalty, but money talks when the bidding starts getting serious.

 

If you let him walk at the end of the year, the return is probably 3 or 4 years down the road, and the potential for no reward on that return is high.

 

Trading him makes sense. If you want to be stubborn and hold out for Jose Reyes, expect Option 2 to happen.

 

There are trade partners right now. Anaheim and NYM seem like the best candidates. Colon has been horrible and Anaheim looks like a serious threat to make the playoffs. They will likely show lots of interest in Z. Moreno, IMO, would be VERY intersted. They have many prospects worthy of a close look, like Mathis, Adenhart and Brandon Wood.

 

The Mets have some really good looking prospects as well, like Pelfrey, Martinez, Gomez and Milledge.

 

There probably isn't a person here who wouldn't trade Z for Reyes straight up right this very minute. However, it takes two to tango, and the Mets won't be on that dance floor.

 

Z has a ton of value in this market. But, he's a free agent at the end of the year. That decreases his overall value. His workload over the last several years also weighs heavily on his overall value. A team is just not going to trade a franchise player for a 1/2 year rental that's not performing at his highest potential. They might mortgage their future for a shot at the World Series by trading some really quality prospects, and that's the most likely scenario.

 

If you are going to hold out for Jose Reyes, be prepared to watch Z walk at the end of the year with compensation picks as the lonely return.

[Backtobanks]

I had to get in on this. Z is going to be a 100 million dollar man. He's a guy thats been to two All-Star games before by 25. Should be three. Plus he a pitcher. A deal would have to include Reyes at the bare minimum.

 

I have no doubt Minaya loves Z very much. But, not that much.

 

There are 3 options at this point.

 

Option 1) Sign Z to a long term contract

Option 2) Let Z walk at the end of the year

Option 3) Trade him

 

Considering the Cubs organization is somewhat in limbo due to the sale, signing him is probably not likely. Considering what Z will command on the market if he becomes a free agent and how much the Cubs already have stockpiled in guaranteed contracts, some other team will easily outbid the Cubs for Z. Z has expressed loyalty, but money talks when the bidding starts getting serious.

 

If you let him walk at the end of the year, the return is probably 3 or 4 years down the road, and the potential for no reward on that return is high.

 

Trading him makes sense. If you want to be stubborn and hold out for Jose Reyes, expect Option 2 to happen.

 

There are trade partners right now. Anaheim and NYM seem like the best candidates. Colon has been horrible and Anaheim looks like a serious threat to make the playoffs. They will likely show lots of interest in Z. Moreno, IMO, would be VERY intersted. They have many prospects worthy of a close look, like Mathis, Adenhart and Brandon Wood.

 

The Mets have some really good looking prospects as well, like Pelfrey, Martinez, Gomez and Milledge.

 

There probably isn't a person here who wouldn't trade Z for Reyes straight up right this very minute. However, it takes two to tango, and the Mets won't be on that dance floor.

 

Z has a ton of value in this market. But, he's a free agent at the end of the year. That decreases his overall value. His workload over the last several years also weighs heavily on his overall value. A team is just not going to trade a franchise player for a 1/2 year rental that's not performing at his highest potential. They might mortgage their future for a shot at the World Series by trading some really quality prospects, and that's the most likely scenario.

 

If you are going to hold out for Jose Reyes, be prepared to watch Z walk at the end of the year with compensation picks as the lonely return.

 

I agree that the sale of the team has thrown things into limbo, but if Zambrano regains his form, I think Hendry will find a way to sign him. Also, don't forget that in the weak NL Central the Cubs will be contending and trading your ace pitcher wouldn't look very good.

[bc2k]

With the Cubs standing and recent play, I don't see how Hendry could trade Z at this time. The Brewers are the only other contender in this division, and with their recent snide, means the Cubs are legitimate NL Central contenders.

[abuck1220]

I had to get in on this. Z is going to be a 100 million dollar man. He's a guy thats been to two All-Star games before by 25. Should be three. Plus he a pitcher. A deal would have to include Reyes at the bare minimum.

 

i'm on board with any argument that cites number of all-star game appearances.