Jaque Jones to Pittsburgh?

[seanhopper]

From Sullivan's latest,

 

Jacque Jones still is on the roster and Cliff Floyd isn't, though their situations are almost certain to be resolved before spring training. Floyd already has told friends he intends to be a Cub, while Jones isn't expected at the weekend convention, indicating he's likely on his way out of town.

 

Link.

 

The Cubs need a legit centerfielder before they move Jacque and they take on another corner outfielder in Floyd. As the article mentions, it seems inevitible that Floyd will be on the roster come ST, but they need to make the real hard decision and look for a trade or a free agent signing for center. It appears in both scenarios this will be a stop gap move --until Pie is ready--so what makes the most sense? I'm still holding out hope that Mil. decides to move Brady Clark--even in the division--because of the money saved and a prospect or two they'll get in return. He's not ideal for sure, but to me he seems to be the best option when you take everything into account. Church will likely cost too much in prospects, if he's moved at all, Finley is old, Erstad seems to always be injured and the Pirates CF's don't appear to be better than Pagan or other lower level guys the Cubs can pick up at the end of spring training for nothing.

[tkenm356]

I don't like bragging (then agaain I never get the chance), but I've been calling a Jones to Pittsburgh trade since like late October. Package him with Scott Moore, who has no chance to make it on our team since he's blocked by Lee and Ramirez and it'll give Pittsburgh a lefty outfield AND 1B bat that they're looking for.

 

In return, I value Ian Snell, please. Too bad we went and filled out our rotation with hopes instead of outstanding talent (I'm looking at you, Jason Marquis)

[BigbadB]

Rotoworld's take:

 

The Cubs are continuing to shop Jacque Jones, who would prefer to move on after one year in Chicago.

 

Cubs manager Lou Piniella has been in contract with several of his new players since being hired, but Jones isn't one he has reached out to, seemingly another sign that the 31-year-old isn't in the team's plans for the future. If a Jones deal can be pulled off, the Cubs will likely sign Cliff Floyd with the money they free up. They could also pursue Darin Erstad or Steve Finley as center field help.

Source: Chicago Sun-Times

[RichHillIsABeast]

Rotoworld's take:

 

The Cubs are continuing to shop Jacque Jones, who would prefer to move on after one year in Chicago.

 

Cubs manager Lou Piniella has been in contract with several of his new players since being hired, but Jones isn't one he has reached out to, seemingly another sign that the 31-year-old isn't in the team's plans for the future. If a Jones deal can be pulled off, the Cubs will likely sign Cliff Floyd with the money they free up. They could also pursue Darin Erstad or Steve Finley as center field help.

Source: Chicago Sun-Times

 

Kill me now.

[Post Count Padder]

Rotoworld's take:

 

The Cubs are continuing to shop Jacque Jones, who would prefer to move on after one year in Chicago.

 

Cubs manager Lou Piniella has been in contract with several of his new players since being hired, but Jones isn't one he has reached out to, seemingly another sign that the 31-year-old isn't in the team's plans for the future. If a Jones deal can be pulled off, the Cubs will likely sign Cliff Floyd with the money they free up. They could also pursue Darin Erstad or Steve Finley as center field help.Source: Chicago Sun-Times

I think I want to vomit.

[BigbadB]

Rotoworld's take:

 

The Cubs are continuing to shop Jacque Jones, who would prefer to move on after one year in Chicago.

 

Cubs manager Lou Piniella has been in contract with several of his new players since being hired, but Jones isn't one he has reached out to, seemingly another sign that the 31-year-old isn't in the team's plans for the future. If a Jones deal can be pulled off, the Cubs will likely sign Cliff Floyd with the money they free up. They could also pursue Darin Erstad or Steve Finley as center field help.

Source: Chicago Sun-Times

 

Kill me now.

 

It's news like this that reduces the trade value of a player, and Hendry is becoming famous for this. All it would have taken is for Hendry and Jones to have an understanding that letting it slip that Jones wants out of town will make trading him a much more difficult task.

 

The Cubs deserve fair trade value in return regardless of Jones' feelings about wanting to leave. Now that it is rather apparent that he does want to leave, unless someone is still willing to offer up as much as he should have netted in trade without this news, I'd have to inform him that he'll be the opening day CFer in Chicago this year, unless of course the opposing team is starting a Lefty.

 

With the current market, Jones has value in trade. If this news reduces that value, he should remain a Cub. In other words, I wouldn't trade him just to trade him, even if he really does want to be traded.

 

In other words, I don't know who blabbed to the media about Jones' desire to leave Chicago, but the cat is out of the bag now, and it's too bad, so sad for Jones at this point. Unless, of course, someone offers fair return.

 

I just don't understand it.

[Lefty]

Duffy hit 2 HRs in a game against the Cubs last year. I believe one was against a lefty. So I would say that the odds of him coming here if we deal Jones is about 100% with Hendry's saying "he can hit lefties" coming in at 97%. Hendry is a child.

[CubsInNC]

Would this be enough?

 

Pirates get: J. Jones, Moore

D-Rays get: Snell, Eyre, Marmol

Cubs get: Baldelli

 

I have a feeling the Rays would ask for more, but they're getting the BP help the desperately need, a SP on the cheap, and a future closer (likely). I can see the pirates asking for another pitcher as well, but the most I'd offer is Ryu.

[BigbadB]

Jacque Jones, Scott Eyre, Scott Moore and Carlos Marmol for Rocco Baldelli?

 

Way too much. But, I'd do it.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Jacque Jones, Scott Eyre, Scott Moore and Carlos Marmol for Rocco Baldelli?

 

Way too much. But, I'd do it.

 

Too much, can't have both Moore and Marmol. Pick one, then I'd do it.

[CubsInNC]

Jacque Jones, Scott Eyre, Scott Moore and Carlos Marmol for Rocco Baldelli?

 

Way too much. But, I'd do it.

 

Same. And worth it, to me. Over the other options I hear thrown about. Although, I'd just as soon stick with Jones in CF over those other options as well.

[BigbadB]

I don't like the idea of moving Moore. If Aramis gets hurt, Moore and McGehee are the only respectable options at 3b, IMO.

 

Moore has a little bit of major league experience. McGehee doesn't.

[mg420]

Jacque Jones, Scott Eyre, Scott Moore and Carlos Marmol for Rocco Baldelli?

 

Way too much. But, I'd do it.

 

the cubs are looking for a stop gap in cf until pie is ready so i doubt they would go after baldelli. if they did though, i'm pretty sure i read that tampa bay wants a quality ML starter or 2 for him. i also doubt the cubs are trading marmol for anyone as they seem to be very impressed with his stuff (especially since he's only started pitching in 2004). imo he needs to be closing games at iowa in 2007.

[NorthsideAvenger]

How about:

 

Cubs get: Church

Pirates get: J. Jones

Nats get: Duffy or McLoeth (and somebody like Novoa)

 

 

???

[Backtobanks]

How about:

 

Cubs get: Church

Pirates get: J. Jones

Nats get: Duffy or McLoeth (and somebody like Novoa)

 

 

???

 

This sounds like a good deal to me. It solves our "dump Jones" problem, gives the Pirates a solid left-handed hitter, and gives us a good CF who can very easily slide into being the 4th OF when Pie is ready. The Nats would get a a fair CF and some help in the bullpen.

[Ivy Walls]

First the press have bits and pieces of the proposed trade, second J Jones is not just a hitter but an important defensive OF'er and member of the clubhouse, all things as or more important than a mid level 5th hitter. Cubs to subtract and hopefully add and develop Pie....and the rest of the team.

[nilodnayr]

First the press have bits and pieces of the proposed trade, second J Jones is not just a hitter but an important defensive OF'er and member of the clubhouse, all things as or more important than a mid level 5th hitter. Cubs to subtract and hopefully add and develop Pie....and the rest of the team.

 

An imprtant defensive OF'er in CF?

[AllStarMe]

an important defensive OF'er

 

Of course he is. In a trick he learned from Maddux, Jacque's throws helped our pitching staff immensely last year by scuffing the ball as it bounced several times before hitting a cutoff man. This scuffing allowed our pitchers to have more movement on their breaking balls without the suspicion of having to doctor the ball on there on the mound.

 

What, you don't think he'd just make those lousy throws by accident do you? [/sarcasm]

[biittner77]

It's news like this that reduces the trade value of a player, and Hendry is becoming famous for this. All it would have taken is for Hendry and Jones to have an understanding that letting it slip that Jones wants out of town will make trading him a much more difficult task.

 

The Cubs deserve fair trade value in return regardless of Jones' feelings about wanting to leave. Now that it is rather apparent that he does want to leave, unless someone is still willing to offer up as much as he should have netted in trade without this news, I'd have to inform him that he'll be the opening day CFer in Chicago this year, unless of course the opposing team is starting a Lefty.

 

With the current market, Jones has value in trade. If this news reduces that value, he should remain a Cub. In other words, I wouldn't trade him just to trade him, even if he really does want to be traded.

 

In other words, I don't know who blabbed to the media about Jones' desire to leave Chicago, but the cat is out of the bag now, and it's too bad, so sad for Jones at this point. Unless, of course, someone offers fair return.

 

I just don't understand it.

 

I don't believe news like this reduces his trade value at all. Baseball people talk to each other. They know a lot more about what teams want for certain players than we as fans will ever know. They probably knew toward the end of last season that Jones and the Cubs wanted to part ways.

 

Hendry doesn't have to trade Jones even if he does want out. He can trade him during ST. He could even let him stew on the bench until May before moving him. So Hendry can wait for the right deal.

 

Teams either want Jones or they don't. I doubt anyone was ever desparate to get Jones but surely there are teams that would like to have him. His value has very likely remained constant over the off season.

[wastra]

I don't like the idea of moving Moore. If Aramis gets hurt, Moore and McGehee are the only respectable options at 3b, IMO.

 

Moore has a little bit of major league experience. McGehee doesn't.

 

 

I think with out glut of middle infielders (still), DeRosa becomes the backup and Theriot/Cedeno man 2b.

 

I know this is going to be unpopular, but I wouldn't ever value Moore that high. I think his ceiling is probably average major leaguer or even ML backup most likely.

 

I wouldn't throw him away needlessly, but I would never consider him to be a deal breaker.

[NewUserName]

I think Scott Moore could become a John Mabry type with a little more power and less average if he learns to play the corner outfield spots. Even without that he is a LH corner infielder with some pop. Certainly good for bench depth. Its not that I wouldnt trade him if the deal was right, I would just make sure his value is fully understood first.

 

I have a problem with trading Jock. In none of the speculation that I have read here are the Cubs a better team. If we cannot package Jones with some young arms to get a stud(AJones) then we shouldnt even be considering trading him. The other option I would be for is to trade him to a contender for a top level prospect. If we are just trading him to make room for Floyd and Erstad or Finley, I would pass. I would rather just let Pie play and keep Jones as a fourth OF.

[YearofDaCubs]

trading Jones for peanuts isn't a good move. Honestly, our best bet is to leave Jones at CF, find a platoon player that can play CF who is right handed to bat against lefties and we have a legitimate presence at CF. Worst case scenario we trade him on the deadline and bring up Pie to play CF for us, but trading Jones for nothing isn't exactly going to help this offense.

[CuseCubFan69]

trading Jones for peanuts isn't a good move. Honestly, our best bet is to leave Jones at CF, find a platoon player that can play CF who is right handed to bat against lefties and we have a legitimate presence at CF. Worst case scenario we trade him on the deadline and bring up Pie to play CF for us, but trading Jones for nothing isn't exactly going to help this offense.

 

I agree and I'm hoping that Hendry can sell high or not at all.

[Jake]

Based on Today's Post Gazette, two things -

 

Duffy isn't going anywhere, as we'd have no one else to play cf.

 

And the interest in Jones is at best cold.

 

WE're still trying to get Laroche.

[Guest]

Based on Today's Post Gazette, two things -

 

Duffy isn't going anywhere, as we'd have no one else to play cf.

 

And the interest in Jones is at best cold.

 

WE're still trying to get Laroche.

 

And seeing as the LaRoche/Gonzalez is nearing compelte, I think Cubs fans can forget Phil Rogers suggestion.