BCS Bowl Thread

[XZero771679666304]

Quinn is more polished. Russell has the better physical tools.

 

History is littered with players who had great physical tools and thunderously flopped in the pros.

 

Russell is a specimen for sure, but I'd choose Quinn with no hesitation if I had to choose right now.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

And let's not pretend like Quinn's tools are adequate for the top tier of QBs in the NFL. I'd take Brady too.

[EricG]

they are replaying the Boise St-Oklahoma game on Fox Sports Net

[SouthSideRyan]

On ESPN Robert Smith brought up a great point. ND hasn't won a bowl game in over a decade.

 

It's because they are always playing someone they shouldn't. They are habitually overrated and only get into the bigger bowl games b/c they bring in a bigger audience.

 

The bowls are about how much money can be generated, not about getting the best teams matched up.

 

The entire BCS and all the bowls are a sham.

 

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ND hasn't beaten a top ten team since Lou Holtz coached them. Forget joining The Big Ten, maybe they'd have a better shot in the MAC.

 

9th ranked Michigan in '02.

Actually, they were 6th. And they were 8th when we beat them in '04. They must be referring to end-of-season rankings because we also beat them in '05 when they were 3rd.

 

They were 9th at the end of the season.

[Andy]

On ESPN Robert Smith brought up a great point. ND hasn't won a bowl game in over a decade.

 

It's because they are always playing someone they shouldn't. They are habitually overrated and only get into the bigger bowl games b/c they bring in a bigger audience.

 

The bowls are about how much money can be generated, not about getting the best teams matched up.

 

The entire BCS and all the bowls are a sham.

 

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ND hasn't beaten a top ten team since Lou Holtz coached them. Forget joining The Big Ten, maybe they'd have a better shot in the MAC.

 

9th ranked Michigan in '02.

Actually, they were 6th. And they were 8th when we beat them in '04. They must be referring to end-of-season rankings because we also beat them in '05 when they were 3rd.

 

They were 9th at the end of the season.

Well, there you go.

 

One good thing that happened this week is that PSU won their bowl game, so we can finally put that "Weis hasn't beaten a team that finished up ranked" talk to rest.

 

Next season, with ND's schedule, I expect 8 wins, with losses to Michigan and USC again (both will be too talented), as well as any two of Purdue/UCLA/PSU/BC/GT if Calvin somehow comes back. 9 wins and a Gator Bowl berth would be an incredible coaching job by Weis.

[CubColtPacer]

On ESPN Robert Smith brought up a great point. ND hasn't won a bowl game in over a decade.

 

It's because they are always playing someone they shouldn't. They are habitually overrated and only get into the bigger bowl games b/c they bring in a bigger audience.

 

The bowls are about how much money can be generated, not about getting the best teams matched up.

 

The entire BCS and all the bowls are a sham.

 

---------------

 

ND hasn't beaten a top ten team since Lou Holtz coached them. Forget joining The Big Ten, maybe they'd have a better shot in the MAC.

 

9th ranked Michigan in '02.

Actually, they were 6th. And they were 8th when we beat them in '04. They must be referring to end-of-season rankings because we also beat them in '05 when they were 3rd.

 

They were 9th at the end of the season.

Well, there you go.

 

One good thing that happened this week is that PSU won their bowl game, so we can finally put that "Weis hasn't beaten a team that finished up ranked" talk to rest.

 

Next season, with ND's schedule, I expect 8 wins, with losses to Michigan and USC again (both will be too talented), as well as any two of Purdue/UCLA/PSU/BC/GT if Calvin somehow comes back. 9 wins and a Gator Bowl berth would be an incredible coaching job by Weis.

 

I guesss I'm not as optimistic as you. 6 or 7 wins next year-there are simply too many playmakers leaving at the end of the year. That doesn't mean it will be absolutely be terrible though-it's just a needed year so Weis can continue to get his recruits in. I agree with you that 9 wins would be a big overacheiving year and would probably be the result of some great coaching.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I've been thinking about this for a while, so I'll put it here since there's several days before the NCG. Who has a shot to make the Championship next year? I'd say that two things are almost a given. One, it's going to be someone from a major conference(I know, I'm a madman), and the other is that it will be someone who has a QB that isn't in his first year. With the exception of Leinart in the midst of the USC dynasty, I can't come up with any QB in the title game who was in their first year as a starter. So with that criteria in mind, who's left that could make it?

 

ACC- Wake Forest, Florida State, NC State, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Miami, Duke

 

Big 12- Mizzou, Kansas State, Kansas, Iowa State, Colorado, Texas, aTm, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State

 

Big East- Louisville*, Rutgers, West Virginia, South Florida, Cincy, UConn

 

Big 10- Michigan, Penn State, Purdue, Indiana, Northwestern, Illinois

 

Pac 10- USC, Cal, UCLA, Oregon, Arizona, Arizona State

 

SEC- Tennessee*, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Vandy, Auburn, LSU*, Alabama, Mississippi State

 

* indicates a Junior QB who has a chance to enter the draft

 

So there's 43 teams. It's not difficult to trim 10-15 teams off that list to get a core of about 30 either.

[Andy]

On ESPN Robert Smith brought up a great point. ND hasn't won a bowl game in over a decade.

 

It's because they are always playing someone they shouldn't. They are habitually overrated and only get into the bigger bowl games b/c they bring in a bigger audience.

 

The bowls are about how much money can be generated, not about getting the best teams matched up.

 

The entire BCS and all the bowls are a sham.

 

---------------

 

ND hasn't beaten a top ten team since Lou Holtz coached them. Forget joining The Big Ten, maybe they'd have a better shot in the MAC.

 

9th ranked Michigan in '02.

Actually, they were 6th. And they were 8th when we beat them in '04. They must be referring to end-of-season rankings because we also beat them in '05 when they were 3rd.

 

They were 9th at the end of the season.

Well, there you go.

 

One good thing that happened this week is that PSU won their bowl game, so we can finally put that "Weis hasn't beaten a team that finished up ranked" talk to rest.

 

Next season, with ND's schedule, I expect 8 wins, with losses to Michigan and USC again (both will be too talented), as well as any two of Purdue/UCLA/PSU/BC/GT if Calvin somehow comes back. 9 wins and a Gator Bowl berth would be an incredible coaching job by Weis.

 

I guesss I'm not as optimistic as you. 6 or 7 wins next year-there are simply too many playmakers leaving at the end of the year. That doesn't mean it will be absolutely be terrible though-it's just a needed year so Weis can continue to get his recruits in. I agree with you that 9 wins would be a big overacheiving year and would probably be the result of some great coaching.

Well, look at the schedule game by game:

 

GT - should be a win if CJ does not come back, although you never know I guess

@PSU - very tough, including first road game for ND's new QB - probably a L if PSU improves as much as I think they will

@Mich - Henne/Hart/Manningham back, definitely an L

MSU - should be a win - Spartans lose Stanton and Trannon

@Purdue - borderline, I think the Boilers keep most of their impact players save Dorien Bryant

@UCLA - should be much improved, very possible L

BC - should be a win, but I've learned not to assume anything with these snakes

USC - loss, nothing we can do about it

Navy - win

Air Force - win

Duke - win

@Stanford - win

 

There are 6 wins on that schedule at worst assuming CJ doesn't return, and I figure the Irish will manage to steal the Purdue and BC games to make eight. It's easy to forget that, save Quinn and Samardzija and maybe Abiamiri and Landri, we're going to be replacing most of these seniors with more talented players.

[Andy]

I've been thinking about this for a while, so I'll put it here since there's several days before the NCG. Who has a shot to make the Championship next year? I'd say that two things are almost a given. One, it's going to be someone from a major conference(I know, I'm a madman), and the other is that it will be someone who has a QB that isn't in his first year. With the exception of Leinart in the midst of the USC dynasty, I can't come up with any QB in the title game who was in their first year as a starter. So with that criteria in mind, who's left that could make it?

 

ACC- Wake Forest, Florida State, NC State, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Miami, Duke

 

Big 12- Mizzou, Kansas State, Kansas, Iowa State, Colorado, Texas, aTm, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State

 

Big East- Louisville*, Rutgers, West Virginia, South Florida, Cincy, UConn

 

Big 10- Michigan, Penn State, Purdue, Indiana, Northwestern, Illinois

 

Pac 10- USC, Cal, UCLA, Oregon, Arizona, Arizona State

 

SEC- Tennessee*, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Vandy, Auburn, LSU*, Alabama, Mississippi State

 

* indicates a Junior QB who has a chance to enter the draft

 

So there's 43 teams. It's not difficult to trim 10-15 teams off that list to get a core of about 30 either.

KSU, Kansas, IU, NW, Illinois, NC State, Duke, Kentucky, Cincy, UConn and Vandy can be cut from that list without even thinking.

 

I'd also think that a team with a new coach won't get it done (I don't ever remember it happening), so slice Bama too.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I'd also think that a team with a new coach won't get it done (I don't ever remember it happening), so slice Bama too.

 

Larry Coker at Miami?

 

(T_T talking about just getting to the national championship.)

[Andy]

I'd also think that a team with a new coach won't get it done (I don't ever remember it happening), so slice Bama too.

 

Larry Coker at Miami?

 

(T_T talking about just getting to the national championship.)

That was a special case, Miami had the most talent by far. That 01 Miami team was absolutely stacked. Bama's not even close to that level.

 

Good point though, you can probably strike Miami from the list too for the same reason.

[SouthSideRyan]

I've been thinking about this for a while, so I'll put it here since there's several days before the NCG. Who has a shot to make the Championship next year? I'd say that two things are almost a given. One, it's going to be someone from a major conference(I know, I'm a madman), and the other is that it will be someone who has a QB that isn't in his first year. With the exception of Leinart in the midst of the USC dynasty, I can't come up with any QB in the title game who was in their first year as a starter. So with that criteria in mind, who's left that could make it?

 

ACC- Wake Forest, Florida State, NC State, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Miami, Duke

 

Big 12- Mizzou, Kansas State, Kansas, Iowa State, Colorado, Texas, aTm, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State

 

Big East- Louisville*, Rutgers, West Virginia, South Florida, Cincy, UConn

 

Big 10- Michigan, Penn State, Purdue, Indiana, Northwestern, Illinois

 

Pac 10- USC, Cal, UCLA, Oregon, Arizona, Arizona State

 

SEC- Tennessee*, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Vandy, Auburn, LSU*, Alabama, Mississippi State

 

* indicates a Junior QB who has a chance to enter the draft

 

So there's 43 teams. It's not difficult to trim 10-15 teams off that list to get a core of about 30 either.

KSU, Kansas, IU, NW, Illinois, NC State, Duke, Kentucky, Cincy, UConn and Vandy can be cut from that list without even thinking.

 

I'd also think that a team with a new coach won't get it done (I don't ever remember it happening), so slice Bama too.

 

If Mississippi St. finishes in the top 25 I'll say the SEC is underrated.

 

From these schools listed, I'd say Tennesee, Auburn, LSU, USC, Michigan, Louisville, West Virginia, and Texas would have to be the favorites. I have a hard time just writing off the teams who played in the title game the year before sight unseen though.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I'll be shocked if USC isn't playing in the national championship game next year. Sadly.

[BigSlick]

I'll be shocked if USC isn't playing in the national championship game next year. Sadly.

 

Replace that with Michigan, and DOUBLE SADLY and you'd be right.

 

I know this will piss of Domer fans, and I honestly dont care, but can we stop sending ND to BCS Bowls? It bores the audience, it embarrasses Notre Dame, enough already.

 

We get it, you guys can get 9-10 wins every year. But the last 2 years you were outclassed by the elite competition, you're stealing spots away from teams that deserve to go.

[Andy]

I'll be shocked if USC isn't playing in the national championship game next year. Sadly.

 

Replace that with Michigan, and DOUBLE SADLY and you'd be right.

 

I know this will piss of Domer fans, and I honestly dont care, but can we stop sending ND to BCS Bowls? It bores the audience, it embarrasses Notre Dame, enough already.

 

We get it, you guys can get 9-10 wins every year. But the last 2 years you were outclassed by the elite competition, you're stealing spots away from teams that deserve to go.

Would it have been less boring to see LSU clobber West Virginia, the only other eligible team?

 

And in 05, they got an auto-bid, not an invitation. They finished top 6 like any other outside of a BCS conference team would have had to to gain an auto-bid.

 

FOR THE LAST TIME, I DISAGREE WITH THE THREE-TEAM RULE. IT'S A LOAD OF BALONEY. DOESN'T MAKE IT LESS OF A RULE.

[BigSlick]

I'll be shocked if USC isn't playing in the national championship game next year. Sadly.

 

Replace that with Michigan, and DOUBLE SADLY and you'd be right.

 

I know this will piss of Domer fans, and I honestly dont care, but can we stop sending ND to BCS Bowls? It bores the audience, it embarrasses Notre Dame, enough already.

 

We get it, you guys can get 9-10 wins every year. But the last 2 years you were outclassed by the elite competition, you're stealing spots away from teams that deserve to go.

Would it have been less boring to see LSU clobber West Virginia, the only other eligible team?

 

And in 05, they got an auto-bid, not an invitation. They finished top 6 like any other outside of a BCS conference team would have had to to gain an auto-bid.

 

FOR THE LAST TIME, I DISAGREE WITH THE THREE-TEAM RULE. IT'S A LOAD OF BALONEY. DOESN'T MAKE IT LESS OF A RULE.

 

Hey, then we agree.

 

Shoulda been Wisconsin in there. I don't even have a problem with ND in last year, but this year...eh...they didn't really deserve to go.

[Andy]

I'll be shocked if USC isn't playing in the national championship game next year. Sadly.

 

Replace that with Michigan, and DOUBLE SADLY and you'd be right.

 

I know this will piss of Domer fans, and I honestly dont care, but can we stop sending ND to BCS Bowls? It bores the audience, it embarrasses Notre Dame, enough already.

 

We get it, you guys can get 9-10 wins every year. But the last 2 years you were outclassed by the elite competition, you're stealing spots away from teams that deserve to go.

Would it have been less boring to see LSU clobber West Virginia, the only other eligible team?

 

And in 05, they got an auto-bid, not an invitation. They finished top 6 like any other outside of a BCS conference team would have had to to gain an auto-bid.

 

FOR THE LAST TIME, I DISAGREE WITH THE THREE-TEAM RULE. IT'S A LOAD OF BALONEY. DOESN'T MAKE IT LESS OF A RULE.

 

Hey, then we agree.

 

Shoulda been Wisconsin in there. I don't even have a problem with ND in last year, but this year...eh...they didn't really deserve to go.

Except that they did, given the circumstances. It was a down year for the top teams all over college FB, and normally ND's resume wouldn't have probably gotten them in, but this year it was them or West Virginia, and we all know who they're picking if it comes to that. Whether they had any chance to beat LSU is one thing, but by regular season alone, they had every right to be at the Sugar Bowl.

[BigSlick]

I'll be shocked if USC isn't playing in the national championship game next year. Sadly.

 

Replace that with Michigan, and DOUBLE SADLY and you'd be right.

 

I know this will piss of Domer fans, and I honestly dont care, but can we stop sending ND to BCS Bowls? It bores the audience, it embarrasses Notre Dame, enough already.

 

We get it, you guys can get 9-10 wins every year. But the last 2 years you were outclassed by the elite competition, you're stealing spots away from teams that deserve to go.

Would it have been less boring to see LSU clobber West Virginia, the only other eligible team?

 

And in 05, they got an auto-bid, not an invitation. They finished top 6 like any other outside of a BCS conference team would have had to to gain an auto-bid.

 

FOR THE LAST TIME, I DISAGREE WITH THE THREE-TEAM RULE. IT'S A LOAD OF BALONEY. DOESN'T MAKE IT LESS OF A RULE.

 

Hey, then we agree.

 

Shoulda been Wisconsin in there. I don't even have a problem with ND in last year, but this year...eh...they didn't really deserve to go.

Except that they did, given the circumstances. It was a down year for the top teams all over college FB, and normally ND's resume wouldn't have probably gotten them in, but this year it was them or West Virginia, and we all know who they're picking if it comes to that. Whether they had any chance to beat LSU is one thing, but by regular season alone, they had every right to be at the Sugar Bowl.

 

Oh absolutely a down year in elite teams (except for the Buckeyes, =D> ) Oh btw, something me and my brother have been kicking around:

 

ND to Big ten

 

Penn State to Big East

 

Gives the Big East another respectable program, and makes a little more sense geographically speaking.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

While Atlanta Falcons officials are being much less forthcoming about their nascent coaching search than the Cardinals are, the team has received permission to interview Whisenhunt. Another name that is expected to surface in Atlanta is Karl Dorrell, the UCLA head coach and former Denver Broncos assistant.

 

As a minority candidate with both head coaching and NFL experience, Dorrell has a strong combination of factors in his favor. His name gained momentum late this season after his Bruins upset their crosstown rival and No. 2-ranked Trojans 13-9, knocking USC out of the national championship game against Ohio State.

 

[CuseCubFan69]

I'll be shocked if USC isn't playing in the national championship game next year. Sadly.

 

Next year, especially if everyone stays, they will be loaded.

[Derwood]

I can't imagine Penn State losing to ND next year. It's a home game, ND is graduating key players, while PSU returns something like 17 starters, including the QB, 4 of 5 OL, all the receivers, all the DB's....PSU is likely only a 1 or 2 loss team next year.

[TruffleShuffle]

Penn State home games next year

Fighting International University

Notre Dame

Buffalo

Iowa

Wisconsin

O$U

Purdont

 

Road games next year

@scUM (ugh please beat these a-holes sometime)

@Illinois

@Indiana

@Temple

@Moo

 

 

They shouldn't lose more than 3 games, without question. One-loss season is certainly reasonable, with the hardest game on the schedule clearly being the Michigan game. It all really depends on if the OL plays well and if Morelli can be pretty good, like he was against UcheaT.

[goonys evil twin]

Penn State home games next year

Fighting International University

Notre Dame

Buffalo

Iowa

Wisconsin

O$U

Purdont

 

Road games next year

@scUM (ugh please beat these a-holes sometime)

@Illinois

@Indiana

@Temple

@Moo

 

 

They shouldn't lose more than 3 games, without question. One-loss season is certainly reasonable, with the hardest game on the schedule clearly being the Michigan game. It all really depends on if the OL plays well and if Morelli can be pretty good, like he was against UcheaT.

 

Your acronyms confuse me.

 

I just saw PSU starts a series with Alabama in 2010, that should be pretty cool.

[Derwood]

Penn State home games next year

Fighting International University

Notre Dame

Buffalo

Iowa

Wisconsin

O$U

Purdont

 

Road games next year

@scUM (ugh please beat these a-holes sometime)

@Illinois

@Indiana

@Temple

@Moo

 

 

They shouldn't lose more than 3 games, without question. One-loss season is certainly reasonable, with the hardest game on the schedule clearly being the Michigan game. It all really depends on if the OL plays well and if Morelli can be pretty good, like he was against UcheaT.

 

Your acronyms confuse me.

 

I just saw PSU starts a series with Alabama in 2010, that should be pretty cool.

 

 

yep, they are going old school with some of their OOC games. ND ritht now, Syracuse and Alabama in the near future

 

their OOC in 2007 is atrocious. A weakened ND team along with the #115, #117 and #119 teams in the country.

 

Morelli looked pretty solid in the Outback Bowl, plus he'll have spring competition from Pat Devlin, who was a pretty highly rated recruit. JoePa's MO is usually to go with the senior though, so Devlin would have to be the next coming of Joe Montana to win the job.

[RynoRules]

Penn State home games next year

Fighting International University

Notre Dame

Buffalo

Iowa

Wisconsin

O$U

Purdont

 

Road games next year

@scUM (ugh please beat these a-holes sometime)

@Illinois

@Indiana

@Temple

@Moo

 

 

They shouldn't lose more than 3 games, without question. One-loss season is certainly reasonable, with the hardest game on the schedule clearly being the Michigan game. It all really depends on if the OL plays well and if Morelli can be pretty good, like he was against UcheaT.

 

Your acronyms confuse me.

 

I just saw PSU starts a series with Alabama in 2010, that should be pretty cool.

 

I wish more Big Ten teams would play SEC teams during the reg season. As a Mich. fan, I am sometimes embarassed by the lack of non-midwest teams on their schedule, though they do play Oregon at home next season. the 08', 09', 10' non-conference gigs are still open.