College Football - Week of 11/18

[sunnydoo]

Wisconsin is more unproven than both Louisville and WVU and has a weaker schedule as well.

 

Sagarin's SOS confirms it. Coming into this week Louisville was 24, WVU was 43 and Wisconsin was 60.

 

Seek professional help immediately.

 

Wisky is 6th Nationally in Total Defense per Game and 7th in Total Yds allowed. (And we should add at least 3 spots on both, b/c of Rutgers, Michigan, and LSU stats from today).

 

Coupled with a freshman 1500 yd rusher that is a pretty good combo.

 

Our only loss was Michigan, who we played tough on the road for over a half. Sure our non conf schedule was weaker than normal b/c the Mtn West and the MAC had down years (3 of our 4 non cons) but with just under 75% underclassmen, i dont understand why Bielema isnt a shoo in for coach of the year.

[snoodmonger]

In the nobody cares dept., KU beat rival KSU ([nelsonfromthesimpsons]A-HA![/nelsonfromthesimpsons]). If they beat Mizzou next week, they'll go to a bowl.

[soccer10k]

And i was wrong earlier, WVU was eliminated by virtue of Cincy's Win tonight. When RU/WVU get together, RU gets the bid if they win and Louisville goes if WVU wins.

 

So whomever it is, i think they will play NDU in the Orange Bowl.

 

Actually WVU is not eliminated. Louisville still has games at Pittsburgh and vs Connecticut. If Louisville loses one of those and WVU wins out then WVU wins the Big East. But if both win out Louisville would win the Big East.

 

Speaking of this, you all do realize that, if both win out, that both WVU and Louisville could make the BCS right?

 

I know this has been discussed before, but I don't remember the answer. Is there an automatic bid for an at-large, major conference team that finishes higher than a certain spot in the final BCS poll (a la Notre Dame finishing in the top 8)?

[sunnydoo]

Speaking of this, you all do realize that, if both win out, that both WVU and Louisville could make the BCS right?

 

I know this has been discussed before, but I don't remember the answer. Is there an automatic bid for an at-large, major conference team that finishes higher than a certain spot in the final BCS poll (a la Notre Dame finishing in the top 8)?

 

Well after watching Wannstedts team quit on Thurs, if Louisville loses to Pitt then they have no biz in the BCS. But you are right, WVU isnt eliminated yet, but they need a lot of help.

 

No way would i take a second Big East team over Boise St. They deserve a shot, and all the Big East teams have had theirs. Also cant see them jumping the Florida/Ark loser either.

 

I think it is only for non major conf teams and NDU for the top 8...here are the procedures http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Marshawn Lynch gives awesome interviews: "I give big ups to our defense, man...been holding it down for us week in and week out. Big ups...We gotta get back to practice and handle our business. Gotta get ready for Stanford...Big ups to SC, hope they go on to the Natty and bring it home for the Pac-10."

[soccer10k]

Wisconsin is more unproven than both Louisville and WVU and has a weaker schedule as well.

 

Sagarin's SOS confirms it. Coming into this week Louisville was 24, WVU was 43 and Wisconsin was 60.

 

Seek professional help immediately.

 

Wisky is 6th Nationally in Total Defense per Game and 7th in Total Yds allowed. (And we should add at least 3 spots on both, b/c of Rutgers, Michigan, and LSU stats from today).

 

Coupled with a freshman 1500 yd rusher that is a pretty good combo.

 

Our only loss was Michigan, who we played tough on the road for over a half. Sure our non conf schedule was weaker than normal b/c the Mtn West and the MAC had down years (3 of our 4 non cons) but with just under 75% underclassmen, i dont understand why Bielema isnt a shoo in for coach of the year.

 

I'm going to dissect this point by point.

 

1. Those aren't my SOS rankings.

 

2. WVU is #2 and Louisville is #3 nationally in Total Yards per Game offensively.

 

3. It doesn't matter that P.J. Hill is a freshman and it doesn't matter how young your team is because we're not discussing their prospect for next year.

 

4. WVU also happens to have a 1500 yard rusher who is averaging 30 more ypg than Hill is and they have a 1000 yard rusher that's a quarterback.

 

5. WVU's only loss was at Louisville who they played tough on the road for over a half also.

 

If you want to call WVU and Louisville unproven, which I don't have a problem with because, for the most part, they are, then you must also admit that Wisconsin is just as unproven as those two teams. Wisconsin lost to the only good team it played this year, didn't play any others, and their non conference schedule sucked. What a coincidence!!! That sounds exactly like WVU!! Amazing how that works.

 

And like I said, Louisville and WVU's respective SOS's are higher than that of Wisconsin.

[Butterscup1679666578]

In the nobody cares dept., KU beat rival KSU ([nelsonfromthesimpsons]A-HA![/nelsonfromthesimpsons]). If they beat Mizzou next week, they'll go to a bowl.

 

If Mizzou loses to Kansas next week, I'll take a plunge off of the press box of Faurot.

[soccer10k]

Speaking of this, you all do realize that, if both win out, that both WVU and Louisville could make the BCS right?

 

I know this has been discussed before, but I don't remember the answer. Is there an automatic bid for an at-large, major conference team that finishes higher than a certain spot in the final BCS poll (a la Notre Dame finishing in the top 8)?

 

Well after watching Wannstedts team quit on Thurs, if Louisville loses to Pitt then they have no biz in the BCS. But you are right, WVU isnt eliminated yet, but they need a lot of help.

 

No way would i take a second Big East team over Boise St. They deserve a shot, and all the Big East teams have had theirs. Also cant see them jumping the Florida/Ark loser either.

 

I think it is only for non major conf teams and NDU for the top 8...here are the procedures http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility

 

They wouldn't be picked over Boise St. as they would get in automatically because they'll likely finish in the top 12 of the final BCS standings.

 

Assuming OSU, USC, UM, Big 12, ACC, Louisville, Ark/Fla winner, Boise St, ND automatically in, the choice would likely come down to a one of the following: WVU (1 loss), Ark/Fla loser (at least 2 losses), LSU (at least 2 losses), Rutgers (1 loss), Auburn (2 losses), a bunch of potential 2 loss ACC teams. I'm not saying it's likely but it's definitely possible.

 

Plus, I would like to see the Big East get 2 teams for one main reason: so we can figure out if they can compete or not. Force them to face the other top teams. That way it will either shut up the millions that rip the Big East or the 12 of us that defend the Big East. Obviously it wouldn't be the end all but it would be a good barometer.

[sunnydoo]

Assuming OSU, USC, UM, Big 12, ACC, Louisville, Ark/Fla winner, Boise St, ND automatically in, the choice would likely come down to a one of the following: WVU (1 loss), Ark/Fla loser (at least 2 losses), LSU (at least 2 losses), Rutgers (1 loss), Auburn (2 losses), a bunch of potential 2 loss ACC teams. I'm not saying it's likely but it's definitely possible.

 

LSU, Auburn, and Wisky are all out b/c no more than 2 teams can go from a major conf school (unless a team is rated 3 and sadly Wisky cant get to 3 this year).

 

WVU or Rutgers will also have 2 losses.

 

And as for Louisville and WVU defense, they are 21 and 28 in total defense, but 40+ in yardage given up. When they get into it with schools that have better offenses and defenses, this disparity will kill them.

 

Could you really imagine taking the WVU defensive team who gives up 308 yds per game against an Ohio St? 2280 yds given up in the air this season or right about in 90th in the country. Smith would pick them apart. Same thing if they ran into USC or NDU. I know they have had a lot of teams trying to catch up, but still that is a lot of yardage in the air.

 

Do you guys seriously think you could try to outscore a OSU or USC?

[soccer10k]

Assuming OSU, USC, UM, Big 12, ACC, Louisville, Ark/Fla winner, Boise St, ND automatically in, the choice would likely come down to a one of the following: WVU (1 loss), Ark/Fla loser (at least 2 losses), LSU (at least 2 losses), Rutgers (1 loss), Auburn (2 losses), a bunch of potential 2 loss ACC teams. I'm not saying it's likely but it's definitely possible.

 

LSU, Auburn, and Wisky are all out b/c no more than 2 teams can go from a major conf school (unless a team is rated 3 and sadly Wisky cant get to 3 this year).

 

WVU or Rutgers will also have 2 losses.

 

And as for Louisville and WVU defense, they are 21 and 28 in total defense, but 40+ in yardage given up. When they get into it with schools that have better offenses and defenses, this disparity will kill them.

 

Could you really imagine taking the WVU defensive team who gives up 308 yds per game against an Ohio St? 2280 yds given up in the air this season or right about in 90th in the country. Smith would pick them apart. Same thing if they ran into USC or NDU. I know they have had a lot of teams trying to catch up, but still that is a lot of yardage in the air.

 

Do you guys seriously think you could try to outscore a OSU or USC?

 

Sorry, forgot about the upcoming Rutgers/WVU game so thanks for the reminder on that.

 

While Auburn is out, for a little nitpicking, LSU isn't. They're currently ranked 9th and, if they beat Arkansas and Arkansas loses to Florida, LSU will have 2 losses and Arkansas will have 3 so the possibility is still there.

 

Before I say anything else and, not that there's a disparity, but where do you get your team stat rankings from? I got mine from msnbc but that just gives the yardage and isn't as in depth. I'm sure there's a better site out there.

 

To make it work both ways, can those teams stop Slaton and White or Brian Brohm's offense? It's all a matter of which side you're on in the debate. OSU, maybe. But USC's defense isn't as good. ND's defense is worse than both Louisville's and WVU's in average ypg allowed.

[sunnydoo]

To make it work both ways, can those teams stop Slaton and White or Brian Brohm's offense? It's all a matter of which side you're on in the debate. OSU, maybe. But USC's defense isn't as good. ND's defense is worse than both Louisville's and WVU's in average ypg allowed.

 

The Stat site i use is Yahoo. Its pretty easy to use and sortable for most of the stats http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/stats

 

Michigan's Defense going into today had a 1.3yd per carry avg against it this season. (One of the main reasons they wore us down).

 

Texas, Miami (FLA), and LSU are the other noteworthy run stopping defenses...and one of the main reasons i would like to see a Wisky-LSU matchup as i am sick of the Wisky-War Eagle matchup every year (2003, 2005).

 

As far as passing, LSU and Wisky are the only 2 top 15 BCS eligible Passing/Per Game defenses. OSU is in the Top 25 and interestingly enough, also leads the country in number of picks this season.

 

Arkansas, NDU, and USC all have defensive teams that give up less than 200 yds via the air on average. Michigan surrenders 201.5.

 

These will change after today, but not that much for USC and NDU. I was really impressed with the pressure that the USC team was bringing on Cal. They shut down Cal fairly easily giving up only 181 yds to a team that averages 266 via the air offensively. Louisville usually throws for around 275, although that is somewhat deceiving b/c of Brohm's injury problem for a few games.

Edited November 19, 2006 by sunnydoo

[BigSlick]

I now hope Notre Dame makes the NC so Ohio State just beats the merciless crap out of them.

[Derwood]

So why is it that all Big 10 teams have to play 12 weeks in a row and finish before Thanksgiving, while USC has like 2 more games and the Big East keeps going? I hate the NCAA, I really do

[CubColtPacer]

So why is it that all Big 10 teams have to play 12 weeks in a row and finish before Thanksgiving, while USC has like 2 more games and the Big East keeps going? I hate the NCAA, I really do

 

Last time I checked, the Big 10 doesn't have to do that-they just love tradition, and that's what they choose to do. They could play next week just like all the other conferences are if they choose to-blame the Big 10, not the NCAA.

[Andy]

I now hope Notre Dame makes the NC so Ohio State just beats the merciless crap out of them.

You didn't want Ohio State to beat the merciless crap out of ND before?

[Soul]

So why is it that all Big 10 teams have to play 12 weeks in a row and finish before Thanksgiving, while USC has like 2 more games and the Big East keeps going? I hate the NCAA, I really do

 

Last time I checked, the Big 10 doesn't have to do that-they just love tradition, and that's what they choose to do. They could play next week just like all the other conferences are if they choose to-blame the Big 10, not the NCAA.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing a Big 10 Championship game.

[CubColtPacer]

So why is it that all Big 10 teams have to play 12 weeks in a row and finish before Thanksgiving, while USC has like 2 more games and the Big East keeps going? I hate the NCAA, I really do

 

Last time I checked, the Big 10 doesn't have to do that-they just love tradition, and that's what they choose to do. They could play next week just like all the other conferences are if they choose to-blame the Big 10, not the NCAA.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing a Big 10 Championship game.

 

I think that would be a good idea for the Big 10 as well-they would just have to figure out what 12th team to add in order for them to be eligible to have a championship game.

[Soul]

To make it work both ways, can those teams stop Slaton and White or Brian Brohm's offense? It's all a matter of which side you're on in the debate. OSU, maybe. But USC's defense isn't as good. ND's defense is worse than both Louisville's and WVU's in average ypg allowed.

 

Those Big East teams have those stats because they play in the Big East

 

Hello? None of those ballclubs could hold a candle to the top Big 10, Pac 10, or SEC teams if they played those kind of conference schedules. They'd have been beat down by the end of October, and that's just a fact man.

 

The biggest travesty in the world would be to watch a team that has played junk all year to stay fresh get a free ride to the national title game where they play a real ballclub that has had to go up against big program after big program all year long.

 

I'd love a playoff system because it would finally once and for all reveal these 240-lb DT schools for the weak sisters that they are.

 

Here's your national title game, soc:

 

Ohio State -24 1/2

West Virgina

 

Oh yeah, can't wait for that one!! The whole country will be putting their New Year's resolutions on hold to catch that! Please.

 

Come on man, would you get real? Cuse hasn't been here, but could you tell him to get real too? Thanks.

[Soul]

So why is it that all Big 10 teams have to play 12 weeks in a row and finish before Thanksgiving, while USC has like 2 more games and the Big East keeps going? I hate the NCAA, I really do

 

Last time I checked, the Big 10 doesn't have to do that-they just love tradition, and that's what they choose to do. They could play next week just like all the other conferences are if they choose to-blame the Big 10, not the NCAA.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing a Big 10 Championship game.

 

I think that would be a good idea for the Big 10 as well-they would just have to figure out what 12th team to add in order for them to be eligible to have a championship game.

 

ND, but they won't cooperate ;) I wish they would. They are a perfect Big 10 team, with a natural rival already built in.

[Derwood]

So why is it that all Big 10 teams have to play 12 weeks in a row and finish before Thanksgiving, while USC has like 2 more games and the Big East keeps going? I hate the NCAA, I really do

 

Last time I checked, the Big 10 doesn't have to do that-they just love tradition, and that's what they choose to do. They could play next week just like all the other conferences are if they choose to-blame the Big 10, not the NCAA.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing a Big 10 Championship game.

 

I think that would be a good idea for the Big 10 as well-they would just have to figure out what 12th team to add in order for them to be eligible to have a championship game.

 

ND, but they won't cooperate ;) I wish they would. They are a perfect Big 10 team, with a natural rival already built in.

 

They will never do it because of the money. But yes, I would LOVE to see a 12 team Big 10 (the Big 12?...oh wait) And have a 10 game conference schedule. PSU, O$U, Michigan, MSU, ND, IU in one division and UofI, Iowa, Wisconsin, Purdue, NU and Minnesota in the other.

[Soul]

So why is it that all Big 10 teams have to play 12 weeks in a row and finish before Thanksgiving, while USC has like 2 more games and the Big East keeps going? I hate the NCAA, I really do

 

Last time I checked, the Big 10 doesn't have to do that-they just love tradition, and that's what they choose to do. They could play next week just like all the other conferences are if they choose to-blame the Big 10, not the NCAA.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing a Big 10 Championship game.

 

I think that would be a good idea for the Big 10 as well-they would just have to figure out what 12th team to add in order for them to be eligible to have a championship game.

 

ND, but they won't cooperate ;) I wish they would. They are a perfect Big 10 team, with a natural rival already built in.

 

They will never do it because of the money. But yes, I would LOVE to see a 12 team Big 10 (the Big 12?...oh wait) And have a 10 game conference schedule. PSU, O$U, Michigan, MSU, ND, IU in one division and UofI, Iowa, Wisconsin, Purdue, NU and Minnesota in the other.

 

Yeah, the cash is too attractive with that individual TV deal they have. But from a fan perspective, it just seems to make so much sense.

[cubweiser03]

Well damn. Henne and Hart had great games, just not enough to fight off Troy Smith who had an unbelievable game. Michigans weakness is their safties, its the only positions they have just average talent. All year the Dline and LB and Leon Hall have covered their ass because of their solid play. Yesterday OSU's offense was good enough to expose those guys. The 2 long 50 yard runs and the bomb to Ginn were related to those guys not making the proper play or being out of position.

 

I would welcome a rematch but wont sweat it if UM doesnt get it. They played a helluva game yesterday and it still wasnt good enough to win. I dont know what they would do differently to stop Smith and his offense. Its a good thing this is Smiths last year because im real sick of him. I think Michigan's got em next year though with Chad Henne returning.

 

A story about asses who live in this world. On Friday a friend of mine was at a bar with his friend who was wearing an OSU shirt and he was wearing a blue shirt and yellow tie. A lady comes up to his friend and says 'go bucks' and high fives him. My friend responds by saying 'go blue'. The lady then makes a comment to him 'Bo's dead'. Are you kidding me.

[rawaction]

So why is it that all Big 10 teams have to play 12 weeks in a row and finish before Thanksgiving, while USC has like 2 more games and the Big East keeps going? I hate the NCAA, I really do

 

Last time I checked, the Big 10 doesn't have to do that-they just love tradition, and that's what they choose to do. They could play next week just like all the other conferences are if they choose to-blame the Big 10, not the NCAA.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing a Big 10 Championship game.

 

I think that would be a good idea for the Big 10 as well-they would just have to figure out what 12th team to add in order for them to be eligible to have a championship game.

 

ND, but they won't cooperate ;) I wish they would. They are a perfect Big 10 team, with a natural rival already built in.

 

They will never do it because of the money. But yes, I would LOVE to see a 12 team Big 10 (the Big 12?...oh wait) And have a 10 game conference schedule. PSU, O$U, Michigan, MSU, ND, IU in one division and UofI, Iowa, Wisconsin, Purdue, NU and Minnesota in the other.

 

Oh my poor Hoosiers in that situation! It would be interesting to see how they split the teams in that situation. IMO, can't split MSU, Michigan and OSU. Can't split IU, Purdue, and ND in the same state. Can't split U of I and Northwestern.

 

Still, there's no way ND joins. The only possible teams I could see that would fit on all criteria (geographically, economically, educationally, competitively) would be ND, Louisville, and Pitt, and I don't see either of them going anywhere.

[Guest]

So why is it that all Big 10 teams have to play 12 weeks in a row and finish before Thanksgiving, while USC has like 2 more games and the Big East keeps going? I hate the NCAA, I really do

 

Last time I checked, the Big 10 doesn't have to do that-they just love tradition, and that's what they choose to do. They could play next week just like all the other conferences are if they choose to-blame the Big 10, not the NCAA.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing a Big 10 Championship game.

 

I think that would be a good idea for the Big 10 as well-they would just have to figure out what 12th team to add in order for them to be eligible to have a championship game.

 

ND, but they won't cooperate ;) I wish they would. They are a perfect Big 10 team, with a natural rival already built in.

 

They will never do it because of the money. But yes, I would LOVE to see a 12 team Big 10 (the Big 12?...oh wait) And have a 10 game conference schedule. PSU, O$U, Michigan, MSU, ND, IU in one division and UofI, Iowa, Wisconsin, Purdue, NU and Minnesota in the other.

 

Oh my poor Hoosiers in that situation! It would be interesting to see how they split the teams in that situation. IMO, can't split MSU, Michigan and OSU. Can't split IU, Purdue, and ND in the same state. Can't split U of I and Northwestern.

 

Still, there's no way ND joins. The only possible teams I could see that would fit on all criteria (geographically, economically, educationally, competitively) would be ND, Louisville, and Pitt, and I don't see either of them going anywhere.

 

they can split them if their is a championship game. seriously, nobody would give a crap if they split UI and NU.

[Flames24Rulz]

I really wish ND would join the Big 10. They do play their fair share of amount of Big 10 teams and they would be the most logical choice to be the 12th Big 10 team. But, as mentioned, they won't do it because of money.