Tuesday Dec 20 is non-tender day...who will be available?

[rawaction]

So much for the Freel idea:

 

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/9105690

 

3M for 2 years w/Reds.

 

What did we pay for the inferior Perez?

 

$5 mil too much...

 

Man that sucks. If Perez is $2M better than Freel, then I need to reevaluate my baseball knowledge.

[SouthSideRyan]

To be fair, Neifi can play SS and Freel cannot. In addition comparing their salaries straight up isn't fair as I believe Freel may still have 1 pre-arbitration year, although this may be his first. Either way, he's not being paid market value because he's still under team control. Edited December 19, 2005 by SouthSideRyan

[Ding Dong Johnson]

It surprises me to say this but I angrier about the Perez everyday. Especially when you look at a player like Freel, who can actually be a valuable player on a team.

 

When you see signings like Freel's, it just further illustrates exactly how much Hendry overpaid for Neifi. I question whether or not he would have received more than a million from any other team.

[Blueheart05]

From what I read, the Brewers have an agreement with Kolb that he will be non tendered with the intention of re-signing him to a lower contract.

 

This doesn't make sense. Kolb does not "have to" be non-tendered just so the Brewers can sign him to a lower contract. The Brewers can resign him before the 20th to a lower rate than his 2005 contract. If he is non-tendered, he is free to negotiate with any team, including the Brewers, but that puts Kolb in a better bargaining position. :roll:

 

I'm not sure why you rolled your eyes. Apparently, Kolb and the Brewers have come to an understanding about lowering his pay. In theory, being nontendered makes him a FA however, he must be happy with the idea of going back to the Brewers otherwise the team wouldn't be willing to take the risk that he would attempt to sign elsewhere.

[SCCubbieFAN]

In theory, being nontendered makes him a FA however, he must be happy with the idea of going back to the Brewers otherwise the team wouldn't be willing to take the risk that he would attempt to sign elsewhere.

 

I'm aware of him becoming a FA if he is non-tendered BH05. I thought, incorrectly, that the Brewers can resign Kolb for any amount the two can agree on before Dec. 20 and thereby avoid arby. However, they can only sign him before the 20th if the offer they make is not less than a certain percentage of last year's salary. But if he becomes a FA, then they can sign him for any amount. Makes sense now.

[Deeg]

You can forget about Bradley. Beane loves him and had him targeted from day one, and there's no chance in hell of his being non-tendered.

[stitchface]

I'm pretty sure you can be tendered a contract offer and still re-sign a contract without going to arbitration. So there is no need to non-tender a player to re-sign him at lower price if he agrees to it.

[Mizzou]

I get easily confused with all this arbitration and non-tendering stuff.

 

Can someone give me the basic rundown on what's going to happen with Hairston and Patterson? If we don't "tender" them a contract by tomorrow, then... what?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I get easily confused with all this arbitration and non-tendering stuff.

 

Can someone give me the basic rundown on what's going to happen with Hairston and Patterson? If we don't "tender" them a contract by tomorrow, then... what?

 

They become free agents. If we do tender them, they are guaranteed contracts. If the team can't work out a deal by a certain date, an arbitrator decides between 2 figures(one submitted by the team, one by the player) for a one year deal.

[Mizzou]

I get easily confused with all this arbitration and non-tendering stuff.

 

Can someone give me the basic rundown on what's going to happen with Hairston and Patterson? If we don't "tender" them a contract by tomorrow, then... what?

 

They become free agents. If we do tender them, they are guaranteed contracts. If the team can't work out a deal by a certain date, an arbitrator decides between 2 figures(one submitted by the team, one by the player) for a one year deal.

 

Oh okay. Well that makes sense. I thought for some reason that the two sides had to agree to a contract by tomorrow... I didn't know that they had time after tomorrow to negotiate one. Thanks!

[JeffH]

I'm pretty sure you can be tendered a contract offer and still re-sign a contract without going to arbitration. So there is no need to non-tender a player to re-sign him at lower price if he agrees to it.

 

I don't think so.

[stitchface]

They can certainly sign a contract - not sure if it can be lower but I don't see why not (nor do I see why a player would agree to it unless it is a multi-year deal). Hendry and MacPhail have never gone to arbitration as I recall.

[JeffH]

They can certainly sign a contract - not sure if it can be lower but I don't see why not (nor do I see why a player would agree to it unless it is a multi-year deal). Hendry and MacPhail have never gone to arbitration as I recall.

 

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. I don't think an arb eligible player can "voluntarily" accept a pay cut to less than 80% of his prior year's salary without his team first making him a free agent.

[jjgman21]

do non-tender FAs v. 6 year FAs differ in that there are no restrictions on non-tender FAs, where as there are with 6 years?

 

if so, I think that answers alot of peoples questions. in this situation:

 

Brewers: hey, we like you but don't want to pay you what you will get in arbitration

 

Kolb: I like being here and am glad you guys got me back. I know it is tough on you to have to give me more than I made last year considering my performance last year.

 

Brewers: well how about we don't offer you arb, but you sign with us at a figure we can agree on.

 

Kolb: sounds like a plan.

[CuseCubFan69]

They can certainly sign a contract - not sure if it can be lower but I don't see why not (nor do I see why a player would agree to it unless it is a multi-year deal). Hendry and MacPhail have never gone to arbitration as I recall.

 

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. I don't think an arb eligible player can "voluntarily" accept a pay cut to less than 80% of his prior year's salary without his team first making him a free agent.

 

That's what I thought too.

[CuseCubFan69]

Well todays the day!!! Let's see how the chips fall and hopefully the Cubs will get the next Ortiz!!! :D

 

Rightfield version of course.

[SCCubbieFAN]

I get easily confused with all this arbitration and non-tendering stuff.

 

Can someone give me the basic rundown on what's going to happen with Hairston and Patterson? If we don't "tender" them a contract by tomorrow, then... what?

 

They become free agents. If we do tender them, they are guaranteed contracts. If the team can't work out a deal by a certain date, an arbitrator decides between 2 figures(one submitted by the team, one by the player) for a one year deal.

 

To add to this explanation, tendering an actual contract/offer to the player is what kicks in the tendering. But the contract cannot be for less than 80% of what the player made the previous season, IIRC.

[CuseCubFan69]

So clubs have until midnight tonight EST to tender a contract to a player?

[JeffH]

So clubs have until midnight tonight EST to tender a contract to a player?

 

Yes.

[SCCubbieFAN]

I'm bumping this thread and maybe the mods can make it a sticky to post those players non-tendered. Mods?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Unfortunately, Craig Wilson was tendered a contract by the Pirates as Josh Fogg was their only non-tender.

 

The White Sox non-tendered Willie Harris. The Orioles non-tendered Eric Byrnes. Timo Perez was also non-tendered.

 

I guess the Cardinals don't consider Bo Hart the answer at secondbase, as he was non-tendered as well.

 

A few interesting non-tenders:

 

Junior Spivey IF, Nationals.

Miguel Olivo C, Padres.

Trever Miller LHP, Devil Rays.

Ryan Franklin, RHP, Mariners.

Danny Kolb, RHP, Brewers.

[UK1679666180]

quote]AMERICAN LEAGUE

BALTIMORE (3): Kurt Ainsworth, RHP; Eric Byrnes, OF; Eddy Rodriguez, RHP.

BOSTON (2): Chad Bradford, RHP; Wade Miller, RHP.

CHICAGO (4): Jon Adkins, RHP; Felix Diaz, RHP; Willie Harris, INF; Timo Perez, OF.

CLEVELAND (1): Jose Diaz, RHP.

KANSAS CITY (2): Shawn Camp, RHP; Ken Harvey, INF.

MINNESOTA (1): Grant Balfour, RHP.

NEW YORK (1): Wayne Franklin, LHP.

OAKLAND (1): Hiram Bocachica, OF.

SEATTLE (3): Cha-Seung Baek, RHP; Ryan Franklin, RHP; Jamal Strong, OF.

TAMPA BAY (4): Joe Borowski, RHP; Lance Carter, RHP; Trever Miller, LHP; Michael Rose, C.

TEXAS (1): Nicholas Regilio, RHP.

 

NATIONAL LEAGUE ATLANTA (2): Jim Brower, RHP; Wes Obermueller, RHP.

CINCINNATI (2): Ramon Ortiz, RHP; Joe Valentine, RHP.

COLORADO (2): Jose Acevedo, RHP; Ryan Spilborghs, OF.

FLORIDA (1): Joe Dillon, INF.

LOS ANGELES (3): Michael Edwards, OF; Brian Myrow, INF; Jason Phillips, C.

MILWAUKEE (2): Jeff Bennett, RHP; Dan Kolb, RHP.

NEW YORK (2): Wayne Lydon, OF; Tyler Yates, RHP.

PHILADELPHIA (1): Endy Chavez, OF.

PITTSBURGH (1): Josh Fogg, RHP.

ST. LOUIS (4): Bo Hart, INF; Mike Lincoln, RHP; Mike Mahoney, C; Scott Seabol, INF.

SAN DIEGO (3): Dewon Brazelton, RHP; Craig Breslow, LHP; Miguel Olivo, C.

WASHINGTON (4): Alex Escobar, OF; Junior Spivey, 2B; Rick Short, INF; T.J. Tucker, RHP.

 

 

Names I like are in bold.

 

Dillon would be a NRI.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I love saying Hiram Bocachica. Hiram Bocachica. I feel a little better now.

[Diffusion]

AMERICAN LEAGUE

BALTIMORE (3): Kurt Ainsworth, RHP; Eric Byrnes, OF; Eddy Rodriguez, RHP.

BOSTON (2): Chad Bradford, RHP; Wade Miller, RHP.

CHICAGO (4): Jon Adkins, RHP; Felix Diaz, RHP; Willie Harris, INF; Timo Perez, OF.

CLEVELAND (1): Jose Diaz, RHP.

KANSAS CITY (2): Shawn Camp, RHP; Ken Harvey, INF.

MINNESOTA (1): Grant Balfour, RHP.

NEW YORK (1): Wayne Franklin, LHP.

OAKLAND (1): Hiram Bocachica, OF.

SEATTLE (3): Cha-Seung Baek, RHP; Ryan Franklin, RHP; Jamal Strong, OF.

TAMPA BAY (4): Joe Borowski, RHP; Lance Carter, RHP; Trever Miller, LHP; Michael Rose, C.

TEXAS (1): Nicholas Regilio, RHP.

 

NATIONAL LEAGUE ATLANTA (2): Jim Brower, RHP; Wes Obermueller, RHP.

CINCINNATI (2): Ramon Ortiz, RHP; Joe Valentine, RHP.

COLORADO (2): Jose Acevedo, RHP; Ryan Spilborghs, OF.

FLORIDA (1): Joe Dillon, INF.

LOS ANGELES (3): Michael Edwards, OF; Brian Myrow, INF; Jason Phillips, C.

MILWAUKEE (2): Jeff Bennett, RHP; Dan Kolb, RHP.

NEW YORK (2): Wayne Lydon, OF; Tyler Yates, RHP.

PHILADELPHIA (1): Endy Chavez, OF.

PITTSBURGH (1): Josh Fogg, RHP.

ST. LOUIS (4): Bo Hart, INF; Mike Lincoln, RHP; Mike Mahoney, C; Scott Seabol, INF.

SAN DIEGO (3): Dewon Brazelton, RHP; Craig Breslow, LHP; Miguel Olivo, C.

WASHINGTON (4): Alex Escobar, OF; Junior Spivey, 2B; Rick Short, INF; T.J. Tucker, RHP.

 

Names I like are in bold.

 

Dillon would be a NRI.

 

Just to let you know, Dillon is going to play for the Yomiuri Giants in Japan.

 

I see little reason to be interested in Spivey. We have Walker, Hairston and Neifi on the roster that can play 2B, and the most worrying statistic when it comes to Spivey's 2005 is that he managed to hit .232 despite a .312 average on balls in play. That's how ridiculously often he struck out (83 times in 293 plate appearances)!

 

I'd much rather try to Dempster-ize Wade Miller and Grant Balfour (ie. sign them to a small contract with an option for 2007, then put them in the bullpen) than go after Dan Kolb and his titchy strikeout rate.

 

Brynes would make a nice platoon partner for Jacque Jones. He really really mashes left-handed pitching. It's just a shame about right-handers, and his defence.

 

Could you tell me more about Jamal Strong and Jose Diaz?

[UK1679666180]

Spivey would be considered if they trade Walker, but until then, I'd obviously be content w/Walker starting at 2B and hitting 2nd.

 

Jamal Strong is probably the best version of Juan Pierre that you'd find in the minors, except Strong BBs and Ks more as well as being RH'ed, he knows how to get on base and uses his plus speed once he's on. He has a career OBP in the minors above .400 and is a better defender than Pierre, both have weak arms.

 

His numbers going into this season were .309/.408/.374 with 271BBs and 236Ks. This year at AAA he hit over .300 with a .375 OBP.

 

He's 5'10" 180 LBs and will turn 28 on August 5th.

 

http://thebaseballcube.com/players/S/jamal-strong.shtml