Rumor: Guzman and Welly for Aubrey Huff

[Soul]

It remains to be seen if Guzman will ever really recover his pitching ability, as far as I know.

 

Hopefully he will, but other teams aren't stupid either. Well, most aren't.

 

His work at the end of this year and in the AFL are pretty sufficient proof that he still has his stuff.

 

Really? I don't think it's enough yet. We still don't know if he can sustain it, or if he will suffer further injury. I would need a couple years to convince me.

[RockTheIvy]

Huff scares me. I could see us giving up some talent, and getting a Burnitz like season in return. But if he can be had without giving up Hill or Guzman, I'd be for it I guess.

[CubfaninCA]

Would be nice to get Huff & Lugo for Hill, Cedeno and whoever else. The Cubs have enough to take it all in 2006.

[Deeg]

Enough what??

[RockTheIvy]

Enough what??

 

Chest hair, duh.

[CubfaninCA]

Enough what??

 

talent

[jjgman21]

Would be nice to get Huff & Lugo for Hill, Cedeno and whoever else. The Cubs have enough to take it all in 2006.

 

I don't think they need Lugo over Cedeno to be a playoff team and don't understand alot of the fascination with Lugo. Lugo's a nice player, but not leaps and bounds better than Cedeno. he had one nice OBP year at age 29. other than that, he screams average shortstop. I tell you this right now, if the Cubs had Lugo and his usual .335 OBP in the two hole all year, and alot of the people chiming for him now would be screaming.

 

Cedeno has an outstanding chance to match what Lugo usually does this year, if allowed to play. I know, a big if. even if not, with Cedeno gone, the Cubs have a choice for 2007. resign a 31 year old average shortstop to a three year deal, go with Neifi, or try to find a shortstop somewhere else when none will be available except Jack Wilson or Izturis. I'd just as soon pass on all three and stick with Cedeno.

[CubfaninCA]

Would be nice to get Huff & Lugo for Hill, Cedeno and whoever else. The Cubs have enough to take it all in 2006.

 

I don't think they need Lugo over Cedeno to be a playoff team and don't understand alot of the fascination with Lugo. Lugo's a nice player, but not leaps and bounds better than Cedeno. he had one nice OBP year at age 29. other than that, he screams average shortstop. I tell you this right now, if the Cubs had Lugo and his usual .335 OBP in the two hole all year, and alot of the people chiming for him now would be screaming.

 

Cedeno has an outstanding chance to match what Lugo usually does this year, if allowed to play. I know, a big if. even if not, with Cedeno gone, the Cubs have a choice for 2007. resign a 31 year old average shortstop to a three year deal, go with Neifi, or try to find a shortstop somewhere else when none will be available except Jack Wilson or Izturis. I'd just as soon pass on all three and stick with Cedeno.

 

Keep Cedeno around and there's a real good chance the "proven vet," Neifi, plays.

[CuseCubFan69]

Would be nice to get Huff & Lugo for Hill, Cedeno and whoever else. The Cubs have enough to take it all in 2006.

 

I don't think they need Lugo over Cedeno to be a playoff team and don't understand alot of the fascination with Lugo. Lugo's a nice player, but not leaps and bounds better than Cedeno. he had one nice OBP year at age 29. other than that, he screams average shortstop. I tell you this right now, if the Cubs had Lugo and his usual .335 OBP in the two hole all year, and alot of the people chiming for him now would be screaming.

 

Cedeno has an outstanding chance to match what Lugo usually does this year, if allowed to play. I know, a big if. even if not, with Cedeno gone, the Cubs have a choice for 2007. resign a 31 year old average shortstop to a three year deal, go with Neifi, or try to find a shortstop somewhere else when none will be available except Jack Wilson or Izturis. I'd just as soon pass on all three and stick with Cedeno.

 

Keep Cedeno around and there's a real good chance the "proven vet," Neifi, plays.

 

Neifi is going to start on this team somewhere. Cedeno and Hairston will split time while Perez gets his 156 games in.

[ctcf]

Per Rotoworld:

 

Todd Wellemeyer - R - Cubs

 

 

The Cubs told the Rockies last week that they've decided to hold on to reliever Todd Wellemeyer for now.

The Rockies had been trying to trade for him. Given the way he's been used the last few years, we thought Wellemeyer would have been one of the first relievers shipped off by the Cubs this winter. Instead, they've kept him while jettisoning Jon Leicester, Jermaine Van Buren and Sergio Mitre. Dec. 19 - 4:11 am et

Source: Denver Post

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Interesting. Maybe my guy was right after all. By the way, on the same page Roto reports the Tampa offers for Gathright, KC is/was certainly one of those "other" teams.

 

With the tender deadline tomorrow, I wonder if we'll hear something from the Cubs end in the next 48 hours. Sure hope so, our options are shrinking.

[NewUserName]

You know it just drives me crazy that we talk about trading a young talented player with good upside for julio lugo just because we have a stupid manager. In the real world you would be considered a idiot to even consider trading cedeno for lugo. The reality is that Neifi would probably take alot of lugos ABs also, so I say keep ronny.

[BigbadB]

You know it just drives me crazy that we talk about trading a young talented player with good upside for julio lugo just because we have a stupid manager. In the real world you would be considered a idiot to even consider trading cedeno for lugo. The reality is that Neifi would probably take alot of lugos ABs also, so I say keep ronny.

 

I believe the rumor was Wellemeyer and Guzman for Huff. I don't think the Cubs have plans for Lugo.

 

They probably don't have the available guys to get Lugo AND Huff at this point, either.

[Blueheart05]

Would be nice to get Huff & Lugo for Hill, Cedeno and whoever else. The Cubs have enough to take it all in 2006.

 

I don't think they need Lugo over Cedeno to be a playoff team and don't understand alot of the fascination with Lugo. Lugo's a nice player, but not leaps and bounds better than Cedeno. he had one nice OBP year at age 29. other than that, he screams average shortstop. I tell you this right now, if the Cubs had Lugo and his usual .335 OBP in the two hole all year, and alot of the people chiming for him now would be screaming.

 

Cedeno has an outstanding chance to match what Lugo usually does this year, if allowed to play. I know, a big if. even if not, with Cedeno gone, the Cubs have a choice for 2007. resign a 31 year old average shortstop to a three year deal, go with Neifi, or try to find a shortstop somewhere else when none will be available except Jack Wilson or Izturis. I'd just as soon pass on all three and stick with Cedeno.

 

I would like Lugo but that's not at the expense of Cedeno. Ronny can play 2B and Lugo can be the SS (or vice versa). I like Lugo because he can hit behind Pierre. Last year he improved his OBP considerably but you're right, it has been in the .330's in previous years. I am leaning in the direction of believing that he's improved his game and that he can only get better once he leaves Tampa Bay (I could be wrong but I think players perform differently when they play on teams that have no chance of winning; kinda like Michael Barrett's improvement since his time with the Expos).

[Blueheart05]

You know it just drives me crazy that we talk about trading a young talented player with good upside for julio lugo just because we have a stupid manager. In the real world you would be considered a idiot to even consider trading cedeno for lugo. The reality is that Neifi would probably take alot of lugos ABs also, so I say keep ronny.

 

I don't think anyone was really advocating that. I think they were talking about Ronny playing 2B. It certainly was rumored in the papers that Hendry wanted Lugo and Huff (and that a trade offer is on the table). It had nothing to do with getting rid of Cedeno.

[anemic offense]

IMO this would be a good move for the Cubs. The outlook on Guzman is iffy at best and if any teams are still high on him they (the Cubs) might as well trade him while he has some value left. One more injury and he's pretty much done.

 

In my mind, the Cubs should be pressing teams hard to take either Williams or Guzman (instead of Hill). With this rotation (and looming insertion of Hill) there's not going to be a place for both those guys. The BP signing make the pen crowded, at the very least, and neither of those two guys has (much if..) any experience there anyways.

 

As for Todd I really don't think he's that big a loss. He definately has the major league arm but either he's having a hard time harnessing his control (we've got too many wild ones in the pen as it is) or Larry "Overrated" Rothschild isn't the right PC for him. A change of scenery would do both teams some good, especially if there's a market for his services. I'd be all for it.

 

One thing that has been somewhat surprising is the lack of mention of Brandon Sing in a deal. He may be a little "old" for a prospect, but he definately hasn't done much to disappoint. He's mashed at every single level with the only excpetion being the 1 - 1.5 year stretch where he was battling mono. Looking at this team currently, and considering future plans there's not much of a place for him to play. I think he has the potential to be a good MLB and could be extremely valuable (if not this year possibly in 07) as a young, cheap DH alternative. This could hold true for the DRays. They may be after ptiching but Sing could maaayybbee put the deal over the top. Kind of the icing on the cake.

[biittner77]

IMO this would be a good move for the Cubs. The outlook on Guzman is iffy at best and if any teams are still high on him they (the Cubs) might as well trade him while he has some value left. One more injury and he's pretty much done.

 

In my mind, the Cubs should be pressing teams hard to take either Williams or Guzman (instead of Hill). With this rotation (and looming insertion of Hill) there's not going to be a place for both those guys. The BP signing make the pen crowded, at the very least, and neither of those two guys has (much if..) any experience there anyways.

 

As for Todd I really don't think he's that big a loss. He definately has the major league arm but either he's having a hard time harnessing his control (we've got too many wild ones in the pen as it is) or Larry "Overrated" Rothschild isn't the right PC for him. A change of scenery would do both teams some good, especially if there's a market for his services. I'd be all for it.

 

One thing that has been somewhat surprising is the lack of mention of Brandon Sing in a deal. He may be a little "old" for a prospect, but he definately hasn't done much to disappoint. He's mashed at every single level with the only excpetion being the 1 - 1.5 year stretch where he was battling mono. Looking at this team currently, and considering future plans there's not much of a place for him to play. I think he has the potential to be a good MLB and could be extremely valuable (if not this year possibly in 07) as a young, cheap DH alternative. This could hold true for the DRays. They may be after ptiching but Sing could maaayybbee put the deal over the top. Kind of the icing on the cake.

 

The advantage of trading Guzman to the D-Rays is that it's almost as though he's not even in pro baseball.

 

As far as Sing goes, he was left unprotected in the rule 5 draft and no one wanted him. Why would any team trade for him now? I'd like to see Sing make the team as a 4th OF/ PH type which might be possible if Hairston is still around to back up CF.

[anemic offense]

IMO this would be a good move for the Cubs. The outlook on Guzman is iffy at best and if any teams are still high on him they (the Cubs) might as well trade him while he has some value left. One more injury and he's pretty much done.

 

In my mind, the Cubs should be pressing teams hard to take either Williams or Guzman (instead of Hill). With this rotation (and looming insertion of Hill) there's not going to be a place for both those guys. The BP signing make the pen crowded, at the very least, and neither of those two guys has (much if..) any experience there anyways.

 

As for Todd I really don't think he's that big a loss. He definately has the major league arm but either he's having a hard time harnessing his control (we've got too many wild ones in the pen as it is) or Larry "Overrated" Rothschild isn't the right PC for him. A change of scenery would do both teams some good, especially if there's a market for his services. I'd be all for it.

 

One thing that has been somewhat surprising is the lack of mention of Brandon Sing in a deal. He may be a little "old" for a prospect, but he definately hasn't done much to disappoint. He's mashed at every single level with the only excpetion being the 1 - 1.5 year stretch where he was battling mono. Looking at this team currently, and considering future plans there's not much of a place for him to play. I think he has the potential to be a good MLB and could be extremely valuable (if not this year possibly in 07) as a young, cheap DH alternative. This could hold true for the DRays. They may be after ptiching but Sing could maaayybbee put the deal over the top. Kind of the icing on the cake.

 

The advantage of trading Guzman to the D-Rays is that it's almost as though he's not even in pro baseball.

 

As far as Sing goes, he was left unprotected in the rule 5 draft and no one wanted him. Why would any team trade for him now? I'd like to see Sing make the team as a 4th OF/ PH type which might be possible if Hairston is still around to back up CF.

 

Yeah, I know that. Williams has what...3 years of MlB service time??? That obviously makes him more attractive although my main point was both can't fit into the rotation. The Cubs need to pick their faovorite of the two and ship the other one off. At this point it likely is Guz.

 

Wow...I didn't realize Sing was left unprotected. My rule 5 knowledge is rather limitied (while some, pry even you have it down pat), but wouldn't Sing have to "stick" on the MLB roster for him not to be returned?? Point is it seems much less likely for him to stick on a MLB roster this year, so the odds of him being returned are high (hence teams went with other players, though maybe - and I stress - less talented, they had a better chance to stick on the roster). But I don't think this necessarily means he doesn't have trade value. He obviously couldn't be a centerpiece, but I think he could be a nice add on to somebody. Then again it would all depend on the rule 5 status for next year, that is if he was traded this year would he be eligible next?? That means he would have to prove his meddle this year, or by SP next year at the latest. But as I stated, I'm not all that clear how that works.

[craig]

In my mind, the Cubs should be pressing teams hard to take either Williams or Guzman (instead of Hill). With this rotation (and looming insertion of Hill) there's not going to be a place for both those guys.

 

I don't agree with this. If I read you correctly, you are assuming that Hill will make it, and one or the other between Williams and guzman will, the other won't. And that the Cubs should make that decision now.

 

Seems to me that it's pretty touch to decide at present which guys out of williams, Guzman, and Hill will end up being useful rotation starters for the Cubs. If you decide now which two will and move the 3rd, there's a pretty good chance that one or both of the guys you decided were the future will not work out.

 

It might make better sense to keep all three, and hope that out of the three of them you can end up with 2 effective rotation pitchers.

 

Other factor is that Williams and Guz/Hill balance differently in terms of Nowacrat/Buildican. Long term I'm rather let Williams go and keep the other two. Short term, I believe Williams is more useful than either of the others. Not an easy balance, for me.

[SouthSideRyan]

On Sing, he was a minor league free agent this year and was re-signed by the Cubs. For whatever reason(defense?) teams don't seem to be very interested in him, otherwise they woulda made some effort to sign him when he was free.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Keeping Sing was sweet, because now he'll get all year in Iowa to show he has a potential major league level bat. If he succeeds, regardless of whether the Cubs can use him, he'd have ten times the trade value next offseason than he had this one. And we're likely to need the help in 12 months.

[stitchface]

yea, then next year we can sit him on the bench and let him bat only against the other teams closer so we can destroy his value and then trade him!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yea, ok, too cynical.