Cubs, Neifi Perez agree on 2-year contract

[USSoccer]

Somehow I get the feeling Jon is busy working on some new photshops. I think today's events have inspired him.

 

BTW, I don't know if now would be a good time to line up a Q&A with Jim Hendry around here.

 

 

I think now would be the perfect time for a Hendry Q&A.

[J.R.]

[floridaevans]DAMN, DAMN, DAMN[/floridaevans]

 

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Edited November 8, 2005 by J.R.

[mg420]

to think that i used to come to this board for intelligent insights. i will also be quite disapointed if nefi is anything but a backup but 30 pages on the signing of nefi as if it signals the end of the 2006 & 2007 seasons? lighten up already.

[ToupeeOnFire]

In a column in today's Tribune, Phil Rogers mentions that the Cubs have about $30 million dollars to spend. It's scary to realize that they have burned about 18% of that on Glendon Rusch and Neifi Perez.

[bobbyd20]

From the ESPN article,

 

The versatile infielder started 130 games at shortstop and 19 at second base last season.

 

No wonder why we finished behind the Milwaukee Brewers.

 

To make matters worse, not only did Neifi start 149 games, he batted in the 1 or 2 spot 382 times (67% of his total at-bats).

 

At least he proved how valuable he was to the Cubs by getting on base at a .298 clip last season.

[JeffH]

If it's any consolation, calculations suggest that the $30 figure is AFTER Rusch and Neifi.

[USSoccer]

to think that i used to come to this board for intelligent insights. i will also be quite disapointed if nefi is anything but a backup but 30 pages on the signing of nefi as if it signals the end of the 2006 & 2007 seasons? lighten up already.

 

For the last time, it's not just about Neifi. It's about Neifi at the cost they paid, at the expense of a cheaper alternative, at the possible cost of being able to sign Giles because they think HE will be overpaid. It's about paying Neifi and Rusch $6m for next season, when neither of them are worth close to it. It's indicative of a lack of coherent direction, because we now have Cedeno, Walker Hairston and now Perez for basically the same role.

[frostwyrm]

The Neifi quote I hate: "I think I showed them I can play every day." Neifi believes he's already earned a starting spot, and I'm sure Dusty and Hendry agree. $2.5 million is starter's money.

[Andy]

to think that i used to come to this board for intelligent insights. i will also be quite disapointed if nefi is anything but a backup but 30 pages on the signing of nefi as if it signals the end of the 2006 & 2007 seasons? lighten up already.

 

For the last time, it's not just about Neifi. It's about Neifi at the cost they paid, at the expense of a cheaper alternative, at the possible cost of being able to sign Giles because they think HE will be overpaid. It's about paying Neifi and Rusch $6m for next season, when neither of them are worth close to it. It's indicative of a lack of coherent direction, because we now have Cedeno, Walker Hairston and now Perez for basically the same role.

No we don't. The Cubs will probably be unloading the best two of those (Cedeno and Walker) before the season starts.

 

I hate this team sometimes.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

to think that i used to come to this board for intelligent insights. i will also be quite disapointed if nefi is anything but a backup but 30 pages on the signing of nefi as if it signals the end of the 2006 & 2007 seasons? lighten up already.

 

Keep in mind the first 7 pages was speculation in regards to this move.

[USSoccer]

to think that i used to come to this board for intelligent insights. i will also be quite disapointed if nefi is anything but a backup but 30 pages on the signing of nefi as if it signals the end of the 2006 & 2007 seasons? lighten up already.

 

For the last time, it's not just about Neifi. It's about Neifi at the cost they paid, at the expense of a cheaper alternative, at the possible cost of being able to sign Giles because they think HE will be overpaid. It's about paying Neifi and Rusch $6m for next season, when neither of them are worth close to it. It's indicative of a lack of coherent direction, because we now have Cedeno, Walker Hairston and now Perez for basically the same role.

No we don't. The Cubs will probably be unloading the best two of those (Cedeno and Walker) before the season starts.

 

I hate this team sometimes.

 

You're right, which means were getting rid of the two best options for this role just to have Neifi on the team.

[Sarcastic]

You're right, which means were getting rid of the two best options for this role just to have Neifi on the team.

 

Has anyone actually even heard a rumor that the Cubs are planning on trading Cedeno and letting Neifi be the full time SS or 2B? Because everything I've seen says that Cedeno will be the starting 2B. I fully expect Neifi to see quite a few starts subbing for Cedeno, but you can't say for sure that Neifi will be the starting 2B or SS if you have no evidence.

[USSoccer]

You're right, which means were getting rid of the two best options for this role just to have Neifi on the team.

 

Has anyone actually even heard a rumor that the Cubs are planning on trading Cedeno and letting Neifi be the full time SS or 2B? Because everything I've seen says that Cedeno will be the starting 2B. I fully expect Neifi to see quite a few starts subbing for Cedeno, but you can't say for sure that Neifi will be the starting 2B or SS if you have no evidence.

 

There's no chance that they paid $2.5m for Neifi to be a backup. If they did, it's almost dumber than paying his $2.5m to start.

 

There's no way any competition for 2B in ST will be legit if it's Cedeno vs Perez.

 

Hendry saying that Cedeno can be a starter is designed to give leverage in bidding for Furcal plus pump Ronny's trade value. That's it.

 

I heard the same comments regarding Dubois last winter. Amazingly, Hollandsworth played everyday.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

to think that i used to come to this board for intelligent insights. i will also be quite disapointed if nefi is anything but a backup but 30 pages on the signing of nefi as if it signals the end of the 2006 & 2007 seasons? lighten up already.

 

The funny thing is that if CPatt was a FA & the Cubs signed him to a 2 yr 5 mil. contract, most people who have complained about the Neifi signing in this thread, would be very happy. The fact is Corey Patterson was much more of a liability to the Cubs possible success in 05'. Those people have favorites & ones they don't like no matter what they do on the field. It's childish & unknowledgable.

 

Also, most of the complaining is pure speculation to begin with. No one on this board knows what JH is going to do the rest of the off-season. Rational people understand this & will @ least give JH the benefit of the doubt & see what the final product is opening day.

 

I remain optimistic & really feel there will be some big moves by many teams including the Cubs this off-season. I guess I'm in the minority & I'm OK with that.

[ToupeeOnFire]

The funny thing is that if CPatt was a FA & the Cubs signed him to a 2 yr 5 mil. contract, most people who have complained about the Neifi signing in this thread, would be very happy.

Somehow, I doubt that is true. I don't know if you have realized, but Corey isn't the most popular player around here. But still, even if he were signed for 2 years / 5 million, it would still be a better signing because at least CPatt is still young and has a degree of upside. It wouldn't be a complete stretch to imagine him putting up a .340/.480 season in CF (although I wouldn't want to bet on it). With Neifi, you pretty much know what you are going to get...mediocrity.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

to think that i used to come to this board for intelligent insights. i will also be quite disapointed if nefi is anything but a backup but 30 pages on the signing of nefi as if it signals the end of the 2006 & 2007 seasons? lighten up already.

 

The funny thing is that if CPatt was a FA & the Cubs signed him to a 2 yr 5 mil. contract, most people who have complained about the Neifi signing in this thread, would be very happy. The fact is Corey Patterson was much more of a liability to the Cubs possible success in 05'. Those people have favorites & ones they don't like no matter what they do on the field. It's childish & unknowledgable.

 

Also, most of the complaining is pure speculation to begin with. No one on this board knows what JH is going to do the rest of the off-season. Rational people understand this & will @ least give JH the benefit of the doubt & see what the final product is opening day.

 

I remain optimistic & really feel there will be some big moves by many teams including the Cubs this off-season. I guess I'm in the minority & I'm OK with that.

 

Wow.

 

First of all, that's false, many of the same people would be complaining if Patterson were signed to this deal. But since you insist on making these absurd comparisons between the two, here are the differences.

 

Patterson is 5 years younger, Patterson plays a position where we don't have a major league ready player. Both were good defensively and both were among the worst hitters in the game(They may have been 1-2 by one metric). For Neifi, this was a career year. I'm going to repeat that. This pathetic offensive showing by Neifi was one of the best seasons of his career. This was the first season in which Patterson wasn't at least average for his position given age and playing time.

 

That's why people are more prone to keep Patterson than Neifi. Because he's got age and past success on his side.

 

But whatever, keep casting yourself as the voice of reason amongst the plague of pessimists, and accuse people of favoritism even though you've done the same thing you've accused people of.

 

EDIT: Patterson and Perez are just under 7 years apart in age, not 5.

Edited November 8, 2005 by Transmogrified Tiger

[fromthestretch]

The funny thing is that if CPatt was a FA & the Cubs signed him to a 2 yr 5 mil. contract, most people who have complained about the Neifi signing in this thread, would be very happy. The fact is Corey Patterson was much more of a liability to the Cubs possible success in 05'. Those people have favorites & ones they don't like no matter what they do on the field. It's childish & unknowledgable.

 

So is assuming how people on this board would react to Patterson getting that kind of a contract. I'd wager that very few people would be happy if Patterson got that kind of a deal after his poor performance last year. It's one thing to be comfortable with Patterson in CF until Pie is ready provided that the rest of the outfield is upgraded. It's something completely different to be content with giving him a raise to perform badly.

 

Also, most of the complaining is pure speculation to begin with. No one on this board knows what JH is going to do the rest of the off-season. Rational people understand this & will @ least give JH the benefit of the doubt & see what the final product is opening day.

 

I remain optimistic & really feel there will be some big moves by many teams including the Cubs this off-season. I guess I'm in the minority & I'm OK with that.

 

I'm willing to wait until we see the final product before I call for Hendry's head on a stake. That said, this was a bad signing. It was a pointless signing. It's hard to be optimistic when you consider:

 

a. Hendry said in spring training that Dempster would be a closer. Only Baker started him six times before he was finally moved to the bullpen.

 

b. Hendry said that Dubois would get a legitimate shot. Right.

 

c. The Cubs already have three players that can play 2B (Walker, Hairston, Cedeno...five if you include Theriot and Fontenot). They have at least one that can play SS (Cedeno), and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone other than Baker (and yes, that's speculation) that would rather have Perez start than Cedeno. Perez was a pointless signing. If you want to upgrade at SS, fine...do so. Use Cedeno as your backup. Perez fills the same exact role that Cedeno could fill if you signed a starting SS.

 

d. This will most likely lead to Walker being dealt. If the trade actually brings back someone that can be a valuable asset to the team, then great. But Walker himself is a very valuable asset. Above average offense at 2B, left-handed bat that gets on base at a decent rate and has some pop, all for $2.5 mil...oddly enough, the same amount they just gave to a guy with a .298 OBP this season.

[da bears]

sorry i just got here. my response to neifi getting six mil: ](*,)

[CubinNY]

The funny thing is that if CPatt was a FA & the Cubs signed him to a 2 yr 5 mil. contract, most people who have complained about the Neifi signing in this thread, would be very happy. The fact is Corey Patterson was much more of a liability to the Cubs possible success in 05'. Those people have favorites & ones they don't like no matter what they do on the field. It's childish & unknowledgable.

 

You can stop with the Patterson compairsons right now. Not one person has mentioned him in this thread other than you. You are creating a strawman argument and trolling. It is high time you stop.

[imb]

hahahahahahahhahaha awesome, this organization is so bad.

 

im glad i was already resigned for this to happen.

[Wheelimus]

Good news guys! I've got a preview of the '06 ballclub....

 

http://mypage.iu.edu/~trarobin/cubs/2006cubs.jpg

[RynoRules]

It occurs to me that many posters are comparing our team's philosophy and transactionto those of the Cards and Stros. I understand why and think it makes sense,

 

Lets assume that Neifi is going to be a back up (and lets hope while we are at it). Has anyone actually looked up the stats and salaries of their backup MIFers and/or OFers? If so, can you post those nos.?

 

Ronny Cedeno should be the backup middle infielder.

 

Yeah, and I think he should start, but that's not the point. I am trying to find out how much the Stros and Cards pay their backups.

 

Here's two examples:

 

Cards: John Mabry: $725,000 (in 2005)

Stros: Vizcaino: 1.25 mill (in 05')

 

:evil:

 

Boy, this signing looks worse and worse, mainly b/c they gave the guy borderline-starter money. Again, its fine if he's a back up. I wonder if they over pay b/c they have the NL's biggest payroll and therefore they can?

[Jon]

Jon has officially gone off the deep end. Welcome to our world, Jon. Welcome to our world.

That happened in August. I just haven't wanted to think about the Cubs much since then.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

It occurs to me that many posters are comparing our team's philosophy and transactionto those of the Cards and Stros. I understand why and think it makes sense,

 

Lets assume that Neifi is going to be a back up (and lets hope while we are at it). Has anyone actually looked up the stats and salaries of their backup MIFers and/or OFers? If so, can you post those nos.?

 

Ronny Cedeno should be the backup middle infielder.

 

Yeah, and I think he should start, but that's not the point. I am trying to find out how much the Stros and Cards pay their backups.

 

Here's two examples:

 

Cards: John Mabry: $725,000 (in 2005)

Stros: Vizcaino: 1.25 mill (in 05')

 

:evil:

 

Boy, this signing looks worse and worse, mainly b/c they gave the guy borderline-starter money. Again, its fine if he's a back up. I wonder if they over pay b/c they have the NL's biggest payroll and therefore they can?

 

Walker was paid 2.5M to start. There's some "context" for you. :(

[abuck1220]

to think that i used to come to this board for intelligent insights. i will also be quite disapointed if nefi is anything but a backup but 30 pages on the signing of nefi as if it signals the end of the 2006 & 2007 seasons? lighten up already.

 

Keep in mind the first 7 pages was speculation in regards to this move.

 

also keep in mind the hat that neifi is wearing in your sig picture. that only deserves 11 pages.