Dodgers interested in Nomar?

[The Voice of Reason]

I could see Nomar going "home." I say let him. Although given their experience with JD Drew, would the Dodgers want to invest in another guy with a history of injuries?

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/scorecard/10/19/truth.rumors.mlb/index.html

 

 

Also, why not frontrun the Cardinals on Jacque Jones? Let them have Burnitz (If only Jocketty was that stupid). :lol:

[goonys evil twin]

I could see Nomar going "home." I say let him. Although given their experience with JD Drew, would the Dodgers want to invest in another guy with a history of injuries?

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/scorecard/10/19/truth.rumors.mlb/index.html

 

 

Also, why not frontrun the Cardinals on Jacque Jones? Let them have Burnitz (If only Jocketty was that stupid). :lol:

 

Jones is a massive offensive liability who would not solve one single problem on this team, only add to the list.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Jocketty can have Jones. That would be great.

 

[insert comment about Jones's surefire .900+ OPS as a Cardinal]

[rawaction]

Is Billy Wagner's agent really named, Bean Stringfellow?

[Tedward]

Is Billy Wagner's agent really named, Bean Stringfellow?

 

Yes.

 

CSN in Philly last night said that Wagner and the Phillies could be close on a 3 year $30MM package with Wagner that would include a no trade clause.

[CoolHandLuke]

Joe Torre revealed he had been so worn down by George Steinbrenner's sniping that he considered resigning in the days after the Yankees lost their division series in Anaheim on Oct. 10.

 

why is voluntarily leaving ones job spelled the same as signing a new contract to stay at ones job? It is so confusing.

[BigbadB]

Let the potentially horrible offseason begin. The Cubs have done nothing to make Nomar believe he will be welcomed back. Some other team is already serenading him.

 

Weak free agent class

Few marketable players to trade

Holes that weren't necessarily holes (Nomar/Walker) that increase holes

____________________________________________

= bad offseason

____________________________________________

=Wait until 2007

[rawaction]

Is Billy Wagner's agent really named, Bean Stringfellow?

 

Yes.

 

CSN in Philly last night said that Wagner and the Phillies could be close on a 3 year $30MM package with Wagner that would include a no trade clause.

 

Go for it, Philly! Keep Howard on the bench. Keep overpaying Rollins. Trade Burrell. And continue not making the playoffs.

[rawaction]

Joe Torre revealed he had been so worn down by George Steinbrenner's sniping that he considered resigning in the days after the Yankees lost their division series in Anaheim on Oct. 10.

 

why is voluntarily leaving ones job spelled the same as signing a new contract to stay at ones job? It is so confusing.

 

Voluntarily leaving is resigning.

Signing a new contact is re-signing.

[The Voice of Reason]

Jocketty can have Jones. That would be great.

 

[insert comment about Jones's surefire .900+ OPS as a Cardinal]

 

Not saying Jones is that sensational or that he should be a #1 priority but there's not any guarantee that Giles or any other names floated on this board are dying to come to the Cubs. Point = Cubs fans need to be flexible and realistic.

 

Jacque Jones

 

SPLIT OBP SLG OPS

Season 319 .438 .757

Career .327 .455 .792

[goonys evil twin]

Jocketty can have Jones. That would be great.

 

[insert comment about Jones's surefire .900+ OPS as a Cardinal]

 

Not saying Jones is that sensational or that he should be a #1 priority but there's not any guarantee that Giles or any other names floated on this board are dying to come to the Cubs. Point = Cubs fans need to be flexible and realistic.

 

Jacque Jones

 

SPLIT OBP SLG OPS

Season 319 .438 .757

Career .327 .455 .792

 

Why does flexible and realistic = accept garbage? Jones improves this team in exactly zero ways. This team needs improvement. This OF is desperate for production. Jones is not productive. He's past his prime, and his prime wasn't any good.

 

Jones would be a terrible option for this team, unless they end up with ARod at short and keep Ramirez, Walker and Lee on the IF.

[BigbadB]

It's starting to really unravel in San Diego as I predicted. They have made a ton of money on this new ballpark deal, and the owner is buying up everything he can "around" the stadium rather than on the product on the field.

 

Towers is interviewing for the Arizona job and they have a nice long list of free agents in

 

Trevor Hoffman (he wants 10m plus)

Brian Giles (is already hinting about leaving)

Ramon Hernandez (Padres are already dealing with life without him)

Joe Randa

Mark Sweeney

Tim Hammond

Pedro Astacio

Rudy Seanez

Robert Fick

 

They have several arbitration elibigibles in

Sean Burroughs

Adam Eaton

Dave Roberts

Miguel Olivo

 

And, big AND here, they have a bunch of overpaid crap players under contract:

 

Chan Ho Park 10m

Klesko 10m

Woody Williams 5m

Brian Lawrence 4m

 

All the guys listed under contract already add up to 36m. They could probably spend close to 90m and still come out way ahead in profits, but will probably settle for something in the mid 50's like they did in 2004 and 2005. The talk is if Giles leaves, they'll work on Jacque Jones and Juan Encarnacion or go with Ben Johnson. That's the kind of talk that will not only please me as a Cub fan, but will make all of my SD neighbors livid.

 

This team is headed down a road the Pittsburgh Pirates recently traveled.

[rawaction]

Jones improves this team in exactly zero ways.

 

defense. and we all know that the 2005 Cubs finished with a losing record because of defense.

[gflore34]

Jocketty can have Jones. That would be great.

 

[insert comment about Jones's surefire .900+ OPS as a Cardinal]

 

 

He'll be sprinkled with the Magic Baseball Dust that is sprinkled upon every Cardinal FA aquistion and proceed to have the obligatory Career Year. Is there any doubt he'd put up a .900+ OPS? It's as sure as death and taxes. I wish Jocketty would share some of that Magic Baseball Dust just for one season.

[goonys evil twin]

Jones improves this team in exactly zero ways.

 

defense. and we all know that the 2005 Cubs finished with a losing record because of defense.

 

Is Jones a better defender than Burnitz?

[rawaction]

It's starting to really unravel in San Diego as I predicted. They have made a ton of money on this new ballpark deal, and the owner is buying up everything he can "around" the stadium rather than on the product on the field.

 

Towers is interviewing for the Arizona job and they have a nice long list of free agents in

 

Trevor Hoffman (he wants 10m plus)

Brian Giles (is already hinting about leaving)

Ramon Hernandez (Padres are already dealing with life without him)

Joe Randa

Mark Sweeney

Tim Hammond

Pedro Astacio

Rudy Seanez

Robert Fick

 

They have several arbitration elibigibles in

Sean Burroughs

Adam Eaton

Dave Roberts

Miguel Olivo

 

And, big AND here, they have a bunch of overpaid crap players under contract:

 

Chan Ho Park 10m

Klesko 10m

Woody Williams 5m

Brian Lawrence 4m

 

All the guys listed under contract already add up to 36m. They could probably spend close to 90m and still come out way ahead in profits, but will probably settle for something in the mid 50's like they did in 2004 and 2005. The talk is if Giles leaves, they'll work on Jacque Jones and Juan Encarnacion or go with Ben Johnson. That's the kind of talk that will not only please me as a Cub fan, but will make all of my SD neighbors livid.

 

This team is headed down a road the Pittsburgh Pirates recently traveled.

 

The Cubs could have a nice offseason just on Padres alone. Signing Giles, Sweeney, and Seanez would be a great offseason. Instantly improves the OF, bench, and bullpen greatly.

[rawaction]

Jones improves this team in exactly zero ways.

 

defense. and we all know that the 2005 Cubs finished with a losing record because of defense.

 

Is Jones a better defender than Burnitz?

 

Yes. Jones is probably a top 3 RF. He could be a top 10 CF too. Still if he can't get on base (was actually about .350ish around the trade deadline then had the worst final 2 months I've ever seen), I don't want him.

[The Voice of Reason]

Jocketty can have Jones. That would be great.

 

[insert comment about Jones's surefire .900+ OPS as a Cardinal]

 

Not saying Jones is that sensational or that he should be a #1 priority but there's not any guarantee that Giles or any other names floated on this board are dying to come to the Cubs. Point = Cubs fans need to be flexible and realistic.

 

Jacque Jones

 

SPLIT OBP SLG OPS

Season 319 .438 .757

Career .327 .455 .792

 

Why does flexible and realistic = accept garbage? Jones improves this team in exactly zero ways. This team needs improvement. This OF is desperate for production. Jones is not productive. He's past his prime, and his prime wasn't any good.

 

Jones would be a terrible option for this team, unless they end up with ARod at short and keep Ramirez, Walker and Lee on the IF.

 

 

At 35, is it possible that Giles is past his prime? Say he doesn't want to leave SD and his family for the Cubs, who do you propose plays RF for the Cubs in 2006? Burnitz?

[TheDude]

Jocketty can have Jones. That would be great.

 

[insert comment about Jones's surefire .900+ OPS as a Cardinal]

Actually I read somewhere (or heard on a radio broadcast) that the Cardinals are very seriously interested in Giles to replace a retiring Walker.

 

I've been angry ever since I heard/read that tid bit. Because if Giles wants a ring as his top priority (over dollars or other personal reasons), St. Louis is more attractive than Chicago for non-biased folks like us.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Joe Torre revealed he had been so worn down by George Steinbrenner's sniping that he considered resigning in the days after the Yankees lost their division series in Anaheim on Oct. 10.

 

why is voluntarily leaving ones job spelled the same as signing a new contract to stay at ones job? It is so confusing.

 

Voluntarily leaving is resigning.

Signing a new contact is re-signing.

 

My mom (journalist/editor) would be so proud of you.

[Exile on Waveland]

Jocketty can have Jones. That would be great.

 

[insert comment about Jones's surefire .900+ OPS as a Cardinal]

 

Not saying Jones is that sensational or that he should be a #1 priority but there's not any guarantee that Giles or any other names floated on this board are dying to come to the Cubs. Point = Cubs fans need to be flexible and realistic.

 

Jacque Jones

 

SPLIT OBP SLG OPS

Season 319 .438 .757

Career .327 .455 .792

 

Why does flexible and realistic = accept garbage? Jones improves this team in exactly zero ways. This team needs improvement. This OF is desperate for production. Jones is not productive. He's past his prime, and his prime wasn't any good.

 

Jones would be a terrible option for this team, unless they end up with ARod at short and keep Ramirez, Walker and Lee on the IF.

 

 

At 35, is it possible that Giles is past his prime? Say he doesn't want to leave SD and his family for the Cubs, who do you propose plays RF for the Cubs in 2006? Burnitz?

 

As long as Giles keeps putting up a .400 OBP, I don't think he's past his prime. And, if he is, so what? This year he put up 423/483/906 in a pitcher's park. His career OBP is .413. He's had a .400 OBP seven of the last eight years. He's left-handed and plays RF. He's exactly what the Cubs need. Sure, if he was younger he'd be absolutely perfect for the Cubs, but, even still, he's pretty darn close.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Jocketty can have Jones. That would be great.

 

[insert comment about Jones's surefire .900+ OPS as a Cardinal]

 

Not saying Jones is that sensational or that he should be a #1 priority but there's not any guarantee that Giles or any other names floated on this board are dying to come to the Cubs. Point = Cubs fans need to be flexible and realistic.

 

Jacque Jones

 

SPLIT OBP SLG OPS

Season 319 .438 .757

Career .327 .455 .792

 

Don't we already have somebody like that already on the Cubs? Oh yeah......it's Corey Patterson. No thank you on JJ. If the Cubs can't land Giles and other good RF in trade, I would prefer going with either Burnitz or trade for somebody like Craig Monroe, instead of siging Jones.

 

Second: On Giles, St. Lou is gonna be a attractive place to sign, and I would be hard-pressed to compete with a team that has been to two straight NLCS, and a World Series, in the last 2 yrs. But if I was the Cubs, when FA opening, I would call up Giles and his agent, and tell them a "plane ticket for Chicago" is ready for them, and start the "process" of luring him to Chicago. The sooner they do this, the better the chances. Don't rag on St. Lou, but convince him, that the city of Chicago takes care of it's players.

[CubfaninCA]

Jocketty can have Jones. That would be great.

 

[insert comment about Jones's surefire .900+ OPS as a Cardinal]

 

Not saying Jones is that sensational or that he should be a #1 priority but there's not any guarantee that Giles or any other names floated on this board are dying to come to the Cubs. Point = Cubs fans need to be flexible and realistic.

 

Jacque Jones

 

SPLIT OBP SLG OPS

Season 319 .438 .757

Career .327 .455 .792

 

U wisely comprehend that there are 29 other teams competing in the free agency market w/ the Cubs. Add everything up and the Cubs have a better shot @ getting ARod, Manny or Floyd than Giles. Also, I can live w/ an outfield of Murton, Bradley and Jones, if the middle of the infield is Castillo and Furcal. The White Sox, Angels and Houston have been successful w/ less offense, and the Cardinals offense is not all that prolific w/ Sanders, Walker, Molina, Grudz and whoever play 3b in it.

Edited October 19, 2005 by CubfaninCA

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Jocketty can have Jones. That would be great.

 

[insert comment about Jones's surefire .900+ OPS as a Cardinal]

 

Not saying Jones is that sensational or that he should be a #1 priority but there's not any guarantee that Giles or any other names floated on this board are dying to come to the Cubs. Point = Cubs fans need to be flexible and realistic.

 

Jacque Jones

 

SPLIT OBP SLG OPS

Season 319 .438 .757

Career .327 .455 .792

 

Don't we already have somebody like that already on the Cubs? Oh yeah......it's Corey Patterson. No thank you on JJ. If the Cubs can't land Giles and other good RF in trade, I would prefer going with either Burnitz or trade for somebody like Craig Monroe, instead of siging Jones.

 

Second: On Giles, St. Lou is gonna be a attractive place to sign, and I would be hard-pressed to compete with a team that has been to two straight NLCS, and a World Series, in the last 2 yrs. But if I was the Cubs, when FA opening, I would call up Giles and his agent, and tell them a "plane ticket for Chicago" is ready for them, and start the "process" of luring him to Chicago. The sooner they do this, the better the chances. Don't rag on St. Lou, but convince him, that the city of Chicago takes care of it's players.

 

If Hendry called his agent and put a contract that paid:

2006 12 million

2007 12 million

2008 13 million

2009 13 million

Option: 2010 10.5 million with a 2 million buy-out

 

I think Giles would have a hard time turning that down.

[goonys evil twin]

At 35, is it possible that Giles is past his prime? Say he doesn't want to leave SD and his family for the Cubs, who do you propose plays RF for the Cubs in 2006? Burnitz?

 

I think it's pretty clear that Giles is past his prime. But at his prime, he was one of the best in the game. Now, he's still miles ahead of hacks like Jones. I have absolutely no interest in seeing Burnitz return, and Jones is no better than Burnitz. It's up to Jim to find the alternative to Giles. But there's no reason to go to the 2nd choice while the 1st choice is still out there, which is the case with Giles. There are quite a few players better than Jones and Burnitz who could be available via trade, they've been discussed quite a bit already.