Bruce Levine Thinks NL Wild Card May Turn on Dunn Deal

[Chocolate Milk]

Bruce Levine reminds me of Dracula for some reason.

[moorecg]

All I know for sure is that if we would somehow let St.Louis get Dunn he is exactly the kind of guy that would come back and haunt us for the next 10 years. Jockety is smart enough to build him into a lineup that works. I DO NOT want him in a cardinals uniform.

[JeffH]

If Dunn ever decides that a .280/.430/.600/.980(which I can see him doing with the proper motivation)

 

I'll bet you a trillion dollars Dunn never puts up that line, my arithmetically challenged friend.

[CubinNY]

All I know for sure is that if we would somehow let St.Louis get Dunn he is exactly the kind of guy that would come back and haunt us for the next 10 years. Jockety is smart enough to build him into a lineup that works. I DO NOT want him in a cardinals uniform.

 

You act as if the Cubs would have to approve the trade or something. the Cards have at least 2 major league ready pitchers who are argueably better than anything the Cubs have. If Dunn goes to the Cards it will be becuase the Cards provided better goods to trade. I don't see how Hendry can be faulted here.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Supposedly the Reds are asking for 2 major leaguers and a prospect for Dunn. That's steep.

 

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3267203

[hawkeyecub]

Supposedly the Reds are asking for 2 major leaguers and a prospect for Dunn. That's steep.

 

Well not necessarily. Dubois, Mitre and Dope would technically be 2 major leaguers and a prospect. I would do that in a heartbeat.

 

The term "2 major leaguers and a prospect" is pretty vague.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Supposedly the Reds are asking for 2 major leaguers and a prospect for Dunn. That's steep.

 

Well not necessarily. Dubois, Mitre and Dope would technically be 2 major leaguers and a prospect. I would do that in a heartbeat.

 

The term "2 major leaguers and a prospect" is pretty vague.

 

 

He also said "as many as" 2 major leaguers and a prospect. As long as the major leaguers aren't Prior/Ramirez/Barrett caliber players, then it's worth it.

[rawaction]

Supposedly the Reds are asking for 2 major leaguers and a prospect for Dunn. That's steep.

 

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3267203

 

Jerome Williams, Corey Patterson, and Renyel Pinto?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Supposedly the Reds are asking for 2 major leaguers and a prospect for Dunn. That's steep.

 

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3267203

 

Jerome Williams, Corey Patterson, and Renyel Pinto?

 

Welcome to Chicago Adam.

 

(Although I'd try real hard to sub Mitre for Williams)

[moorecg]

All I know for sure is that if we would somehow let St.Louis get Dunn he is exactly the kind of guy that would come back and haunt us for the next 10 years. Jockety is smart enough to build him into a lineup that works. I DO NOT want him in a cardinals uniform.

 

You act as if the Cubs would have to approve the trade or something. the Cards have at least 2 major league ready pitchers who are argueably better than anything the Cubs have. If Dunn goes to the Cards it will be becuase the Cards provided better goods to trade. I don't see how Hendry can be faulted here.

 

Huh??

 

We've got plenty in our system, and at the ML level that could be moved for Dunn. I'd be hard pressed to think that we couldn't "out bid" for him. I think you miss my point. If we're fighting with say...the Yankees for him that's one thing...but to me, its different with the Cardinals. If the choice is down to between us and them, to me that increases his value to the Cubs, not only as a player for us, but to ensure that he doesn't go to the birds and help them for the next 10 years.

[rawaction]

Supposedly the Reds are asking for 2 major leaguers and a prospect for Dunn. That's steep.

 

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3267203

 

Jerome Williams, Corey Patterson, and Renyel Pinto?

 

Welcome to Chicago Adam.

 

(Although I'd try real hard to sub Mitre for Williams)

 

I'd rather keep Mitre. Also, I always include Williams first, because the Cubs already had a deep stable of SPs before he came aboard. Trading him is like having a free arm to trade, because frankly I might have done just Aardsma for Hawkins.

[ManEatingTarp]

Supposedly the Reds are asking for 2 major leaguers and a prospect for Dunn. That's steep.

 

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3267203

 

Jerome Williams, Corey Patterson, and Renyel Pinto?

 

Welcome to Chicago Adam.

 

(Although I'd try real hard to sub Mitre for Williams)

 

I'd rather keep Mitre. Also, I always include Williams first, because the Cubs already had a deep stable of SPs before he came aboard. Trading him is like having a free arm to trade, because frankly I might have done just Aardsma for Hawkins.

 

That trade wouldn't even begin to be enough IMO. The last report I heard was that the Indians walked away from talks when the Reds wanted C.C.

That tells me that at this point they're looking for a front line starter. Much like that windbag in Tampa asking for Zambrano in a deal for Huff. The Reds don't need anymore OF , so CPat is out. That, and now is the worst time to ever trade Patterson. His value is the lowest it will ever be.

The Cards are not going to give up both of the AAA pitchers. One will probably go in a deal this year, but not both, and not in the same deal. The way this is looking, I don't think that Dunn is going to be moved.

[1908]

I'd rather keep Mitre.

Why? Williams is younger and has the higher ceiling.

 

Also, I always include Williams first, because the Cubs already had a deep stable of SPs before he came aboard. Trading him is like having a free arm to trade, because frankly I might have done just Aardsma for Hawkins.

Sounds a bit like gamblers' logic to me. "I started out with $50, got it up to $500 and then lost it all, but I really only lost $50 because that's what I walked in with."

[craig]

You act as if the Cubs would have to approve the trade or something. the Cards have at least 2 major league ready pitchers who are argueably better than anything the Cubs have. If Dunn goes to the Cards it will be becuase the Cards provided better goods to trade. I don't see how Hendry can be faulted here.

 

Huh??

 

We've got plenty in our system, and at the ML level that could be moved for Dunn. I'd be hard pressed to think that we couldn't "out bid" for him.

 

The Cardinals have Wainright and Reyes, two high-level pitchers who are both major league ready and who are scouts favorites. If St. Louis is willing to include both, there's basically no way the Cubs can "outbid" that with prospects. You can put out Hill-Williams-Wellemeyer-Mitre-Guzman-Novoa-Ohman-Marshall-Nolasco-Pinto and let Cinci choose any two of them, but no pair from that group would be comparable to Reyes and Wainright, I don't think. Even if you let Cinci choose whichever three from that pool that you like, I don't believe that would compare to Reyes and Wainright.

 

Personally I don't think St. Louis will offer up both of those guys. They may be reluctant to offer even one. But if they choose to offer both, there's nothing Hendry can do in terms of offering young pitchers (short of Zambrano) that can match, IMO.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Supposedly the Reds are asking for 2 major leaguers and a prospect for Dunn. That's steep.

 

Well not necessarily. Dubois, Mitre and Dope would technically be 2 major leaguers and a prospect. I would do that in a heartbeat.

 

The term "2 major leaguers and a prospect" is pretty vague.

 

For the Astros, that means the Reds asked for Jason Lane, Chris Burke, and Astacio or Buchholz.

[shnsajax]

I was in Houston on Monday and Tuesday the one thing they were talking about is being tired of giving up their only good prospects to get players. I don't think the Astros system is very deep, but they have a few good players.

 

The first day they were all over Dunn talking about how he would put them right into the wild card. But they also wanted to bat him 5th (behind Berkman and Ensberg), which I think is a very bad idea if they got him.

 

The second day they felt Dunn was overrated and not worth the cost. They wondered how much he will help the current lineup.

 

They have one kid who was just recently promoted to Round Rock in Fernando Nieve who looks to be a very solid pitching prospect and one of their better arms, and they simply don't want to deal him. I am curious to what the Astros will do, because after a big trade they won't have much left at all in that system.

[Mushimus]

Supposedly the Reds are asking for 2 major leaguers and a prospect for Dunn. That's steep.

 

Well not necessarily. Dubois, Mitre and Dope would technically be 2 major leaguers and a prospect. I would do that in a heartbeat.

 

The term "2 major leaguers and a prospect" is pretty vague.

 

For the Astros, that means the Reds asked for Jason Lane, Chris Burke, and Astacio or Buchholz.

 

And that wont happen.

[Roast]

Okay, so, with this dunn talk seemingly heating up. And it looks like the reds are at least acknowledging that they are willing to trade him, how likely is it that dunn becomes a cub?

 

Is it still a pipe dream? or is it actually a realistic chance now?

 

Hoops? Vance (if you've talked to your source)??

 

??????!!!

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

What I'm getting out of Houston, Pupura isn't willing to meet the asking price for Dunn, yet. On the other hand, Drayton loves hometown guys and he may take the reigns from his GM on this one as he has in the past and negotiate it himself. How much Houston will give up ultimately depends on who ends up calling the shots.

 

Pupura was the farm director so he values the Houston prospects a lot; Drayton likes to make splashes. If he thinks bringing Dunn to Houston will sell more tickets and make the city love him and the Astros like the Beltran deal did, he may meet the asking price.

[HoopsCubs]

Okay, so, with this dunn talk seemingly heating up. And it looks like the reds are at least acknowledging that they are willing to trade him, how likely is it that dunn becomes a cub?

 

Is it still a pipe dream? or is it actually a realistic chance now?

 

Hoops? Vance (if you've talked to your source)??

 

??????!!!

 

I can't say how realistic it is that he'll be dealt to the Cubs because I just don't know. I can say that the Cubs are very interested, and that the Reds do acknowledge that trading Dunn is their best option for bringing back a boatload of young pitching talent with high potential. I still feel that if the LA Dodgers gave the Reds some of their AA players, the Reds would be most inclined to trade Dunn there.

[Wheelimus]

Love Reds/Cubs threads because I work with one of the more enthusiastic Reds fans I've ever known, so we always get good convo out of it.

 

And he won't shut up that the Reds need to deal Dunn (before he gets more expensive and teams know they have the Reds over a barrel) to the Cubs for pitching. He wants Patterson (for some reason he thinks the Reds could turn him around and Griffey could help on that end), Mitre, and a prospect or two.

[Mushimus]

Okay, so, with this dunn talk seemingly heating up. And it looks like the reds are at least acknowledging that they are willing to trade him, how likely is it that dunn becomes a cub?

 

Is it still a pipe dream? or is it actually a realistic chance now?

 

Hoops? Vance (if you've talked to your source)??

 

??????!!!

 

I can't say how realistic it is that he'll be dealt to the Cubs because I just don't know. I can say that the Cubs are very interested, and that the Reds do acknowledge that trading Dunn is their best option for bringing back a boatload of young pitching talent with high potential. I still feel that if the LA Dodgers gave the Reds some of their AA players, the Reds would be most inclined to trade Dunn there.

 

But that leaves the question will Dunn put them back in the race. With all their injuries and pitching woes the Dodgers would improve with Dunn but not enough to get back in the race.

[AAApittsburgh]

Okay, so, with this dunn talk seemingly heating up. And it looks like the reds are at least acknowledging that they are willing to trade him, how likely is it that dunn becomes a cub?

 

Is it still a pipe dream? or is it actually a realistic chance now?

 

Hoops? Vance (if you've talked to your source)??

 

??????!!!

 

I can't say how realistic it is that he'll be dealt to the Cubs because I just don't know. I can say that the Cubs are very interested, and that the Reds do acknowledge that trading Dunn is their best option for bringing back a boatload of young pitching talent with high potential. I still feel that if the LA Dodgers gave the Reds some of their AA players, the Reds would be most inclined to trade Dunn there.

 

But that leaves the question will Dunn put them back in the race. With all their injuries and pitching woes the Dodgers would improve with Dunn but not enough to get back in the race.

Why would it matter if it puts them back in the race? Dunn could help them win now and in the future.

[Mushimus]

Okay, so, with this dunn talk seemingly heating up. And it looks like the reds are at least acknowledging that they are willing to trade him, how likely is it that dunn becomes a cub?

 

Is it still a pipe dream? or is it actually a realistic chance now?

 

Hoops? Vance (if you've talked to your source)??

 

??????!!!

 

I can't say how realistic it is that he'll be dealt to the Cubs because I just don't know. I can say that the Cubs are very interested, and that the Reds do acknowledge that trading Dunn is their best option for bringing back a boatload of young pitching talent with high potential. I still feel that if the LA Dodgers gave the Reds some of their AA players, the Reds would be most inclined to trade Dunn there.

 

But that leaves the question will Dunn put them back in the race. With all their injuries and pitching woes the Dodgers would improve with Dunn but not enough to get back in the race.

Why would it matter if it puts them back in the race? Dunn could help them win now and in the future.

 

Well if you trade top prospects to win now that will certainly hurt your chances to win in the future. Plus are the Dodgers committed to sign Dunn to a long-term deal?? His salary will certainly double next year, I'm not sure the Dodgers are committed to do that right now.

[somechick]

I am curious about something...I know Dunn is a major object of lust to a majority here, so I was wondering what people think if this situation were to arise:

 

(Note: I am not necessarily advocating this...I am just wondering what kind of revolt would go down here if this came to pass)

 

 

We all know the price of Dunn will be fairly exhorbatant. Would people be willing to take on Griffey and his contract in order to pry Dunn away as well? Obviously, this would include shipping Corey back to them (along with pitching, duh). But by taking on that much extra money, the Reds may not require the Cubs to fork over as many prospects or at least as many primo prospects. Now, whether or not Cincy would do this is purely speculation, but DanO isnt exactly the sharpest tool in the shed. I am more curious as to whether anyone would take this on. If the Reds are really interested in dumping some money along with garnering some good pitching, it makes sense on their part. And the Cubs are one of the few teams to take on the money AND offer the pitching they so desperately need. It could be what would make sending Dunn to Chicago more enticing than elsewhere.

 

In all, what I am asking is....would it be worth it take Griffey and his contract if it meant:

 

1. getting Dunn

2. Keeping dunn out of Houston or St. Louis

 

 

(I know there are also issues of payroll in the future and how much money this could tie up, but I am totally ignoring that all now, because, dammit, I want the Cubs to win...lol)