Cerami: Cubs Finalizing Edward Cabrera Trade

[Tryptamine]

2 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Wiggins going back?

I'd be more shocked by this then Shaw. The farm without Wiggins is almost entirely bereft of pitching.

[imb]

caissie headlining this trade would seem like a huge W for the cubs

[Outshined_One]

2 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Wiggins going back?

I can see it, but I really hope not.  This team has next to nothing on the farm behind Wiggins on the pitching side of things.

[Brian707]

2 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

Yeah, I think it has to be Caissie plus.  I would have rather it been Shaw as the main piece, for various reasons, but I doubt that will be the case.

Perfect landing spot for Shaw. He can hang out at Mar a Lago on off days

[Tryptamine]

6 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

Yeah maybe but that can't hold up a deal. His value as trade capital as a top 100 centerfielder prospect is way higher than his value as backup outfielder forever blocked by PCA. 

If they want him, go sign Willi Castro or Tauchman or whatever. Or teach Shaw to fake it. 

Yeah, he's definitely not a deal breaker, but I also don't think they're actively shopping him as a piece either.

[KCCub]

 

I think we're safe on Wiggins

[Jason Ross]

Just now, KCCub said:

 

I think we're safe on Wiggins

I'm guessing Caissie, Long or Rojas, and lower level things.

[Derwood]

1 minute ago, KCCub said:

 

I think we're safe on Wiggins

You're putting a lot of trust in Jesse Rogers

[Irrelevant Dude]

Just now, Jason Ross said:

I'm guessing Caissie, Long or Rojas, and lower level things.

That feels a bit light to me, but I'll take it.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Assad in there as well.

[Tryptamine]

2 minutes ago, Jason Ross said:

I'm guessing Caissie, Long or Rojas, and lower level things.

Adding Rojas would sting quite a bit

[KCCub]

Just now, Derwood said:

You're putting a lot of trust in Jesse Rogers

Meh, we are so short on pitching prospects that it just logically doesn't make sense to move Wiggins. This is just more evidence to support that if you had doubts. 

[Jason Ross]

Just now, Irrelevant Dude said:

That feels a bit light to me, but I'll take it.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Assad in there as well.

Assad being in there would track. Or Wicks. 

[squally1313]

Just now, Jason Ross said:

Assad being in there would track. Or Wicks. 

I hope not. I'm back on the other end of the pendulum. Keep Wicks and Assad as your depth starters, go trade Taillon. 

[Tryptamine]

I irrationally want to keep Ben Brown. I still think he has that mid rotation or more upside.

[s2obed]

1 minute ago, Tryptamine said:

I irrationally want to keep Ben Brown. I still think he has that mid rotation or more upside.

100% irrational 🤣

[Jason Ross]

Just now, squally1313 said:

I hope not. I'm back on the other end of the pendulum. Keep Wicks and Assad as your depth starters, go trade Taillon. 

I think the Cubs should be okay, generally speaking, depth wise. You'll have: Cabrera, Horton, Shota, Taillon, Boyd, Rea, Wiggins to kick off the year. Steele coming later. And you'd still have Brown, Wicks or Assad (who isn't traded) and Noland. The Cubs will probably have the innings. 

2027 would be a little murkier but you'd still have Cabrera, Horton, Wiggins, and hopefully good FA wiggle room.

[Bertz]

LET'S GO!!!  Finally I've been waiting for this since July

Caissie and one of Assad/Brown/Wicks is the logical bulk of a deal.  Probably someone else that will sting but not make us apoplectic.  E.g. Kepley.

This also means we should put a hell of a lot more stock into the Bichette/Bregman stuff.

[Irrelevant Dude]

1 minute ago, Tryptamine said:

I irrationally want to keep Ben Brown. I still think he has that mid rotation or more upside.

I have less confidence in him as a starter, but I still see him as a potential high leverage bullpen arm.  Especially when much of the pen still lacks velocity, he could fill that gap.

[Hortonhearsawho]

1 minute ago, Tryptamine said:

I irrationally want to keep Ben Brown. I still think he has that mid rotation or more upside.

I would like to keep him as well but I think hes got late inning shut down reliever upside instead of mor upside.

[mk49]

1 minute ago, Tryptamine said:

I irrationally want to keep Ben Brown. I still think he has that mid rotation or more upside.

I want to keep Ben, too, but as a reliever/swingman.  

[squally1313]

1 minute ago, Jason Ross said:

I think the Cubs should be okay, generally speaking, depth wise. You'll have: Cabrera, Horton, Shota, Taillon, Boyd, Rea, Wiggins to kick off the year. Steele coming later. And you'd still have Brown, Wicks or Assad (who isn't traded) and Noland. The Cubs will probably have the innings. 

2027 would be a little murkier but you'd still have Cabrera, Horton, Wiggins, and hopefully good FA wiggle room.

Well one of those names is probably gone in this right? Either Taillon or a Wicks/Assad. 

Wiggins is fun. Wiggins threw 78 innings last year and 9 at AAA. I wouldn't put him in the 'kicking off the year' group.

Give me Cabrera/Horton/Shota/Boyd/ST competition to start the year, with the loser being your long reliever and Brown being your 2 inning fireman. 

[Tryptamine]

4 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

I have less confidence in him as a starter, but I still see him as a potential high leverage bullpen arm.  Especially when much of the pen still lacks velocity, he could fill that gap.

If he's going to remain primarily a two pitch pitcher then yeah, but I feel like he's a passable third pitch away from being quite good.

[Dfan25]

I always believed that if the Cubs got Cabrera , Cassie / Long would go the other way. 

Edited January 7 by Dfan25

[Jason Ross]

1 minute ago, squally1313 said:

Well one of those names is probably gone in this right? Either Taillon or a Wicks/Assad. 

Wiggins is fun. Wiggins threw 78 innings last year and 9 at AAA. I wouldn't put him in the 'kicking off the year' group.

Give me Cabrera/Horton/Shota/Boyd/ST competition to start the year, with the loser being your long reliever and Brown being your 2 inning fireman. 

Horton threw less then that the year before, so while I wouldn't jump directly to Wiggins in, say,. May, I also wouldn't really count him out. I'd expect Colin Rea to be the first guy up, anyways. 

[Tryptamine]

I can't see them trading Taillon given that Steele is going to be out for a bit. If Anything, going the 6 pitcher rotation is great to limit innings on Boyd, Horton and Cabrera.