Cerami: Cubs Finalizing Edward Cabrera Trade

[Dfan25]

8 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.  Finalize it now!

It’s down to medicals but far from done . Those could take a while . I wouldn’t put Cabrera in a Cubs uniform yet .

Edited January 7 by Dfan25

[Tryptamine]

I mean, unless they're drastically lowering payroll, they almost have to add one of Bichette/Bregman or, please god no, Eugenio Suarez

[CaliforniaRaisin]

10 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.  Finalize it now!

Medicals take so long during the offseason. Especially if a player lives outside the country, probably even tougher if any player is Venezuelan (not sure there are any Venezuelans in the trade).

[ILMindState]

The medicals could have an impact on what the return would be which is why no names have leaked yet.

[chibears55]

My guess would be Mo, he doesn't really have a fit on the Cubs.

I doubt it Shaw, they wouldn't trade him without securing a replacement first, and Caissie would only make them need another OFer unless they plan on going with Suzuki in RF all year and Mo as DH.

If there no pitchers involved in the return, I can see it being Mo who showed he can hit at major league level and a couple lower level position players.

[Brian707]

2 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

I mean, unless they're drastically lowering payroll, 

Edited January 7 by Brian707

[Irrelevant Dude]

Just now, chibears55 said:

My guess would be Mo, he doesn't really have a fit on the Cubs.

I disagree.  The Cubs currently have a hole at DH, assuming Seiya slides back to RF.  And I haven't written him off as a future catcher either.

[Tryptamine]

As things are set right now, Mo is set to get a lot of ABs. Alcantara might get a couple hundred too. If the Cubs were to acquire Bichette/Bregman and turn Shaw into a Zobrist style super utility player, then who knows.

[thawv]

4 minutes ago, ILMindState said:

The medicals could have an impact on what the return would be which is why no names have leaked yet.

It's been said that Caissie is the lead piece.  I also read that Wiggins and Alcantara are also in the deal.  But that makes no sense at all, so I very much doubt anything but Caissie for sure. 

[chibears55]

1 minute ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

I disagree.  The Cubs currently have a hole at DH, assuming Seiya slides back to RF.  And I haven't written him off as a future catcher either.

Yea but you can find guys to be a DH...

I like Mo and wouldn't be upset if he stays and someone else goes, I just think of those 3, Mo Shaw and Caissie, Mo as if now would make more sense.

[Irrelevant Dude]

Just now, chibears55 said:

Yea but you can find guys to be a DH...

You can, but you won't find many 22 year olds with a bat like Ballasteros.  He is the type of guy you find a place for.

[mul21]

2 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

Yea but you can find guys to be a DH...

I like Mo and wouldn't be upset if he stays and someone else goes, I just think of those 3, Mo Shaw and Caissie, Mo as if now would make more sense.

It's been very explicitly stated by more than one credible journalist that Caissie is the lead piece, so I'm not sure what you're going on about.

[Old Style]

12 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

I mean, unless they're drastically lowering payroll, they almost have to add one of Bichette/Bregman or, please god no, Eugenio Suarez

Ay You Hay Knee Oh [/Pat Hughes]

[squally1313]

2 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

My guess would be Mo, he doesn't really have a fit on the Cubs.

I doubt it Shaw, they wouldn't trade him without securing a replacement first, and Caissie would only make them need another OFer unless they plan on going with Suzuki in RF all year and Mo as DH.

If there no pitchers involved in the return, I can see it being Mo who showed he can hit at major league level and a couple lower level position players.

I don't know how I would have felt about this in early November, but after 2 months of complaining, coming out of this and signing Bregman or Bichette while keeping Shaw and Ballesteros in the organization gives you a lot of fun possibilities. 

1. Happ LF
2. Suzuki RF
3. Busch 1B
4. Bregman/Bichette 3B
5. Ballesteros DH
6. Swanson SS
7. PCA CF
8. Hoerner 2B
9. Kelly C

Then you have a bench of Shaw, Amaya, Alcantara (or a Castro or Tauchman) and a bat of some sort. Shaw can slot in against LHPs for Ballesteros or Busch (if you can teach someone to play first), spell Dansby and Nico, make the Nico extension conversation a lot easier, etc. Alcantara gets some spot duty whenever you want to move Suzuki to DH, backs up the rest of the outfield. Lot of fun possibilities. 

[chibears55]

5 minutes ago, thawv said:

It's been said that Caissie is the lead piece.  I also read that Wiggins and Alcantara are also in the deal.  But that makes no sense at all, so I very much doubt anything but Caissie for sure. 

If Jesse Rogers is correct, he said no pitching prospects are going in return and it likely for hitting prospects. 

[chibears55]

5 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

You can, but you won't find many 22 year olds with a bat like Ballasteros.  He is the type of guy you find a place for.

I dont disagree, I just think of the 3 hed be the guy theyd want and goes.

[Tryptamine]

3 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

I don't know how I would have felt about this in early November, but after 2 months of complaining, coming out of this and signing Bregman or Bichette while keeping Shaw and Ballesteros in the organization gives you a lot of fun possibilities. 

1. Happ LF
2. Suzuki RF
3. Busch 1B
4. Bregman/Bichette 3B
5. Ballesteros DH
6. Swanson SS
7. PCA CF
8. Hoerner 2B
9. Kelly C

Then you have a bench of Shaw, Amaya, Alcantara (or a Castro or Tauchman) and a bat of some sort. Shaw can slot in against LHPs for Ballesteros or Busch (if you can teach someone to play first), spell Dansby and Nico, make the Nico extension conversation a lot easier, etc. Alcantara gets some spot duty whenever you want to move Suzuki to DH, backs up the rest of the outfield. Lot of fun possibilities. 

A bench Starting with Amaya/Shaw/Alcantara is already light years ahead of the bench last year.

[Irrelevant Dude]

Trading Caissie does create a bit of a future roster problem, but it's a fixable one.  Caissie was the guy most likely projected to be the future RF.  With Happ and Suzuki both in the last year of their deals, there isn't anyone in the organization who can reasonably fill one of those corner outfield spots.  MAYBE Alcantara, but his bat is still a big question mark.  The Cubs are going to have to spend some significant money on the Outfield, either this year, next year, or both.

[chibears55]

6 minutes ago, mul21 said:

It's been very explicitly stated by more than one credible journalist that Caissie is the lead piece, so I'm not sure what you're going on about.

Like journalist aren't wrong sometimes 🤷

I made my thoughts before I saw that and I responded to a poster of why I thought that..

So, thank you

[Tryptamine]

1 minute ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

Trading Caissie does create a bit of a future roster problem, but it's a fixable one.  Caissie was the guy most likely projected to be the future RF.  With Happ and Suzuki both in the last year of their deals, there isn't anyone in the organization who can reasonably fill one of those corner outfield spots.  MAYBE Alcantara, but his bat is still a big question mark.  The Cubs are going to have to spend some significant money on the Outfield, either this year, next year, or both.

God knows they'll have plenty of available funds to do it.

[mul21]

1 minute ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

Trading Caissie does create a bit of a future roster problem, but it's a fixable one.  Caissie was the guy most likely projected to be the future RF.  With Happ and Suzuki both in the last year of their deals, there isn't anyone in the organization who can reasonably fill one of those corner outfield spots.  MAYBE Alcantara, but his bat is still a big question mark.  The Cubs are going to have to spend some significant money on the Outfield, either this year, next year, or both.

Bringing Tucker back now would make so much more sense than Bregman or Bichette. Unfortunately, I think that ship has sailed but I'd love for Jed to surprise me.

[chibears55]

6 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

I don't know how I would have felt about this in early November, but after 2 months of complaining, coming out of this and signing Bregman or Bichette while keeping Shaw and Ballesteros in the organization gives you a lot of fun possibilities. 

1. Happ LF
2. Suzuki RF
3. Busch 1B
4. Bregman/Bichette 3B
5. Ballesteros DH
6. Swanson SS
7. PCA CF
8. Hoerner 2B
9. Kelly C

Then you have a bench of Shaw, Amaya, Alcantara (or a Castro or Tauchman) and a bat of some sort. Shaw can slot in against LHPs for Ballesteros or Busch (if you can teach someone to play first), spell Dansby and Nico, make the Nico extension conversation a lot easier, etc. Alcantara gets some spot duty whenever you want to move Suzuki to DH, backs up the rest of the outfield. Lot of fun possibilities. 

Being able to move Shaw to the bench as a super utility guy could be a really good upgrade for them.

[mul21]

1 minute ago, chibears55 said:

Like journalist aren't wrong sometimes 🤷

I made my thoughts before I saw that and I responded to a poster of why I thought that..

So, thank you

Maybe you should start reading threads before you get in such a hurry to comment. 🤷‍♂️

[Cubs420psd]

35 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

No please!

Nah man hes a Republican! How dare he!? Trade him away now!!

 

Hurr durrr

[Bertz]

5 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

I don't know how I would have felt about this in early November, but after 2 months of complaining, coming out of this and signing Bregman or Bichette while keeping Shaw and Ballesteros in the organization gives you a lot of fun possibilities. 

1. Happ LF
2. Suzuki RF
3. Busch 1B
4. Bregman/Bichette 3B
5. Ballesteros DH
6. Swanson SS
7. PCA CF
8. Hoerner 2B
9. Kelly C

Then you have a bench of Shaw, Amaya, Alcantara (or a Castro or Tauchman) and a bat of some sort. Shaw can slot in against LHPs for Ballesteros or Busch (if you can teach someone to play first), spell Dansby and Nico, make the Nico extension conversation a lot easier, etc. Alcantara gets some spot duty whenever you want to move Suzuki to DH, backs up the rest of the outfield. Lot of fun possibilities. 

If they manage to get Bichette this offseason is an absolute A+.