Playoff Talk

[Hortonhearsawho]

Just now, I owned a Suzuki said:

Really, except for being doubled off last night, what were these worst things? Not getting a hit? If that's your answer, just keep it. We will just agree to disagree what choke really means. 

You certainly mentioned one of them as that base running play was a disaster. But I'm not going to rehash all of the Jays screw ups here because that would just be pointless so it's whatever.

[Hot Sauce]

Just now, Hortonhearsawho said:

Errors aren't the only way you can choke. And I wouldn't classify blowouts as chokes. But almost everything about the Blue Jays story in these last two games involves them doing the worst thing they could do in the most important situations. That's definitely qualifies them here.

Two exceptional plays in the field kept the Dodgers in that game. That isn't choking. 

[soccer10k]

1 hour ago, JHBulls said:

This moment will forever haunt the Blue Jays. 
That’s how close they were to winning the World Series. 

Would he have been safe if he had just run through home instead of sliding?

[JHBulls]

19 minutes ago, soccer10k said:

Would he have been safe if he had just run through home instead of sliding?

The slide definitely got him close to the plate, but sliding naturally slows you down. So who knows if running through home plate would have made a difference.

Whatever the case, Toronto have been incredibly unlucky the last two games. The ball getting stuck in the wall yesterday and then game 6 ends with a boneheaded play at 2nd base. Tonight we saw two chances to win for Toronto with the above play at the plate and then that miracle catch in the outfield (okay, the catch was simple enough but the outfielders still collided). LA arsed their way to the title. 

[Derwood]

I said it last night, but It bears repeating: It was the most Cubs-esque way to lose the World Series

[itisallpartoftheplan]

IKF’s non secondary lead was as bad as Nelson Cruz weak attempt to catch Freese’s triple.

Both plays would’ve won the WS.

[17 Seconds]

i can't think of a more excruciating baseball loss

[Brian707]

9 hours ago, soccer10k said:

Congratulations!

[Soul]

1 hour ago, Derwood said:

I said it last night, but It bears repeating: It was the most Cubs-esque way to lose the World Series

That tying HR looked to me like the exact same swing and trajectory as in 2016.  Immediately brought back some extreme unpleasantness for me.

[Soul]

6 hours ago, JHBulls said:

Tonight we saw two chances to win for Toronto with the above play at the plate and then that miracle catch in the outfield (okay, the catch was simple enough but the outfielders still collided). LA arsed their way to the title. 

Two absolutely massive substitutions by Roberts too.  Pages makes the catch I don’t think Edman gets to.  Rojas gets put in and ties the game then throws out the winning run at home.

Jays fans will be hurting forever over this one.

[17 Seconds]

1 hour ago, itisallpartoftheplan said:

IKF’s non secondary lead was as bad as Nelson Cruz weak attempt to catch Freese’s triple.

Both plays would’ve won the WS.

[UMFan83]

18 minutes ago, 17 Seconds said:

He said after the game they told him to stay close to the bag so that he didn’t get doubled up on a line drive which we’ve seen happen to the Jays multiple times in the series. I dunno, I thought Schneider was awful in the World Series. Seemed like he made so many questionable decisions. 

[Derwood]

[Rcal10]

8 hours ago, soccer10k said:

Would he have been safe if he had just run through home instead of sliding?

Or had a better lead off at 3rd. He really should have scored on that ball. He was a pinch runner, for christ sake! That title means he should be able to run well. 

[Andy]

Was not a fan of playing for a run in the final inning, and I became even less of a fan after seeing that it gave the Dodgers an easy way to set up a potential double play with a very slow batter.

Real bummer for Jays fans, that park was a zoo last night. 

[Stratos]

For me the Jays lost on their bone-headed baserunning plays.  Bichette walking off the bag and getting picked off at the beginning of Game 3 would have scored and been the winning run preventing the 18 innings extras.  Barger getting picked off to end Game 6.  Springer stopped running during a SB attempt and got caught in no-man's land in Game 7.  Can't assume anything in a WS.  IKF whatever, probably didn't want to get doubled-off.

Anyways, great series and amazing Game 7.  Dodgers bought themselves this WS with Ohtani, Yamamoto and the rest of their rotation. Everyone thought the Jays were going to get steam-rolled but their bats and pitchers went toe-to-toe with probably the best 4-man playoff rotation i've seen since i've been alive, maybe best rotation ever.  They saw them all in Game 7 and still went toe-to-toe.

Vlad is a legend, and incredible player on both sides of the ball and a true leader.  The Jays have heart and fight to the last out.  Would like to see more of that from the Cubs, who seem to sometimes just roll over and die in unison, at least in the regular season.

Edited November 2, 2025 by Stratos

[Stratos]

5 hours ago, Brian707 said:

Congratulations!

The Jays were pulling $1000+ per ticket this WS.  45k x $1000 x 4 games = 180k.  Plus concessions and TV ratings (Jays ownership also owns the TV channel that has national broadcast rights in Canada even during the WS & pulling in 10 million viewers a game across the country).  That doesn't even include the previous rounds.

Dodgers would be raking it in too.  Dodgers can keep affording their insane payrolls if this is their business model.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Doyers are making me root for a work stoppage.

I would laugh so hard if the baseball gives the Dodgers, and Dodgers alone, a HARD salary cap to off-set their tv deal advantage. I know it won't happen, but a man can dream. 

[mk49]

The Blue Jays could have won the Game 7, if their base running is as good as the Cubs.  Especially, in the 2nd inning, I don't remember who the runner was, but he was on the 1st base, and the next batter hit, and I thought the runner was going to reach the 3rd, but he didn't.  Then, the next batter hit, I thought the same runner, this time on the 2nd base, was score a run, and he didn't.  In the inning, if they were the Cubs, they could have scored at least one run, if not more.

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

18 minutes ago, mk49 said:

The Blue Jays could have won the Game 7, if their base running is as good as the Cubs.  Especially, in the 2nd inning, I don't remember who the runner was, but he was on the 1st base, and the next batter hit, and I thought the runner was going to reach the 3rd, but he didn't.  Then, the next batter hit, I thought the same runner, this time on the 2nd base, was score a run, and he didn't.  In the inning, if they were the Cubs, they could have scored at least one run, if not more.

Wasn't that bichette who was still hurt and couldn't run very fast?

[Rcal10]

19 hours ago, Stratos said:

The Jays were pulling $1000+ per ticket this WS.  45k x $1000 x 4 games = 180k.  Plus concessions and TV ratings (Jays ownership also owns the TV channel that has national broadcast rights in Canada even during the WS & pulling in 10 million viewers a game across the country).  That doesn't even include the previous rounds.

Dodgers would be raking it in too.  Dodgers can keep affording their insane payrolls if this is their business model.

Where did you find the price of the ticket for the Jays WS games? I have good seats at Wrigley, not the highest priced but definitely not the lowest. My WS ticket was $280. My section is called terrace reserve preferred. 8 rows up from the main walkway around the park, right behind home plate. Can’t imagine the average price of all seats at the Jays park was $1,000. But maybe it was🤷

Besides that, using your example it would be $180M brought in at your numbers. 

[Rcal10]

8 hours ago, PosterToBeNamedLater said:

Wasn't that bichette who was still hurt and couldn't run very fast?

Unfortunately, it was Bichette. You are correct. 

[mk49]

22 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

Unfortunately, it was Bichette. You are correct. 

OK, I didn't know he was hurt.  I was just frustrated by his base running.  

[Hot Sauce]

3 hours ago, mk49 said:

OK, I didn't know he was hurt.  I was just frustrated by his base running.  

Bichette was wearing a brace and couldn't run. Late in the game, Kirk singled when he was on 2nd and he only made it to 3rd. The camera showed his face and he looked frustrated. He would have scored on the play if he had been running at even 80%.

[Stratos]

10 hours ago, Rcal10 said:

Where did you find the price of the ticket for the Jays WS games? I have good seats at Wrigley, not the highest priced but definitely not the lowest. My WS ticket was $280. My section is called terrace reserve preferred. 8 rows up from the main walkway around the park, right behind home plate. Can’t imagine the average price of all seats at the Jays park was $1,000. But maybe it was🤷

Besides that, using your example it would be $180M brought in at your numbers. 

I saw them on ticketmaster, they were official tickets not re-sale tickets, and not great tickets.  Maybe they were cheaper for season ticket holders.  Keep in mind this in Canadian dollars.  So your $280 would be around $400 in 2016.