2025 Bears Offseason Thread

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 hour ago, UMFan83 said:

Did anyone see that report yesterday that Ben Johnson was insisting that the Commanders keep Sam Howell as their QB while he was interviewing with them? The Commanders said 'no we're drafting a QB at 2 (Daniels)' and that was apparently the dealbreaker that caused the Commanders to turn their plane around.

The report was coming from some Commanders people.  I have no doubt Johnson could probably make Howell an above average QB (I just said this to trigger Kyle) and maybe Daniels doesn't fit his mold (or maybe he does I dunno I've been kinda disengaged from the coaching search), but given that, if I'm hiring Ben Johnson its probably better if you have your QB in place.

Ben Johnson is going to go to the raiders, sign fields and fix him 

[BigSlick]

53 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

The pure ego draw of being an NFL HC would push nearly everyone to feel differently

Yes I think its safe to say that for nearly every assistant coach in the NFL, any head coaching job is preferable to staying an assistant. There are rare exceptions (Johnson being one of them, but that was only for a year), but yeah. Even the worst job is 100000x more prestigious, interesting, ambitious and fun than being an assistant. 

[gflore34]

1 hour ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I would rather draft Jeantty than a defensive player 

Provided they go OL, OL and DL with their remaining picks in the top 100, Jeanty would be okay.  He'd give the Bears some who could run between the tackles to contrast with Swift.  Not altogether the worst possible choice, they could do far worse.

[jersey cubs fan]

15 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

Yes I think its safe to say that for nearly every assistant coach in the NFL, any head coaching job is preferable to staying an assistant. There are rare exceptions (Johnson being one of them, but that was only for a year), but yeah. Even the worst job is 100000x more prestigious, interesting, ambitious and fun than being an assistant. 

There’s no way being a head coach is more fun than being an assistant. Head coaches have so many more obligations for their time than any assistant or coordinator. I think a huge number of these guys realize they aren’t head coach material. A few eventually get the job once and fail but ultimately settle into career coordinator types. 
 

I bet Vic Fangio is having more fun as eagles DC than he did as Denver HC. 
 

You get your bag from the one HC job and take a beating in reputation and get back to what you are good at, like Steve Spagnuolo, probably making more as a coordinator than he did as HC long ago. 

[UMFan83]

18 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Ben Johnson is going to go to the raiders, sign fields and fix him 

Yeah that's why I thought the QB thing was overrated for LV.  You can get Fields, Russ, Darnold, potentially Cam Ward, Sanders, Ewers, Milroe in the draft.  He can even grab Howell I'm sure 🤣

Would you take Caleb over every one of them, yes, but there are enough options out there to give him something to work with.  That plus I'm sure they're offering him more money and they were willing to sync up their GM with him which he pretty clearly stated is what he wanted and I can see why he choose the Raiders if that's where he goes.

[Rex Buckingham]

16 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

Provided they go OL, OL and DL with their remaining picks in the top 100, Jeanty would be okay.  He'd give the Bears some who could run between the tackles to contrast with Swift.  Not altogether the worst possible choice, they could do far worse.

I think the only non-OL picks I'd like at 10 right now are either Abdul Carter or Mason Graham... and I don't expect either to be available. 

I wonder if the HC who comes in will want to switch to a 3-4 base D. 

[gflore34]

4 minutes ago, Rex Buckingham said:

I think the only non-OL picks I'd like at 10 right now are either Abdul Carter or Mason Graham... and I don't expect either to be available. 

I wonder if the HC who comes in will want to switch to a 3-4 base D. 

Despite my preference for offense, I agree, if Carter or Graham are there at 10, I'd take them. Then go OL, OL, OL/RB/WR with the remaining 3 picks.

[NorthsideAvenger]

1 hour ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

The pure ego draw of being an NFL HC would push nearly everyone to feel differently

Probably, but it still the Raiders. Jax is a better job.

[WrigleyField 22]

39 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

There’s no way being a head coach is more fun than being an assistant. Head coaches have so many more obligations for their time than any assistant or coordinator. I think a huge number of these guys realize they aren’t head coach material. A few eventually get the job once and fail but ultimately settle into career coordinator types. 
 

I bet Vic Fangio is having more fun as eagles DC than he did as Denver HC. 
 

You get your bag from the one HC job and take a beating in reputation and get back to what you are good at, like Steve Spagnuolo, probably making more as a coordinator than he did as HC long ago. 

It's most fun to be an assistant after you sign a 4-5 year guaranteed Head coach contract and then go back to assistant.  Bonus points if your Vic making top coordinator money.

[minnesotacubsfan]

2 hours ago, gflore34 said:

Provided they go OL, OL and DL with their remaining picks in the top 100, Jeanty would be okay.  He'd give the Bears some who could run between the tackles to contrast with Swift.  Not altogether the worst possible choice, they could do far worse.

Disagree. You could use Jeanty in the passing game. Plus I’m kinda done with Swift, he’s a “pitch it to the outside or bust” back. Jeanty has shown the ability to do it all 

[minnesotacubsfan]

1 hour ago, jersey cubs fan said:

There’s no way being a head coach is more fun than being an assistant. Head coaches have so many more obligations for their time than any assistant or coordinator. I think a huge number of these guys realize they aren’t head coach material. A few eventually get the job once and fail but ultimately settle into career coordinator types. 
 

I bet Vic Fangio is having more fun as eagles DC than he did as Denver HC. 
 

You get your bag from the one HC job and take a beating in reputation and get back to what you are good at, like Steve Spagnuolo, probably making more as a coordinator than he did as HC long ago. 

Every single coordinator in the nfl would take a shot at being HC at least once. If they end up being good at it, they thrive off that attention. Ask Belichek or Lovie if he’d rather go back to being a DC, they’d say no. The ones who do look forward to going back to coordinating duties are the ones who have no success at HC

 

hell, even Nagy would likely grab a HC position if he could 

[jersey cubs fan]

5 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

Every single coordinator in the nfl would take a shot at being HC at least once. If they end up being good at it, they thrive off that attention. Ask Belichek or Lovie if he’d rather go back to being a DC, they’d say no. The ones who do look forward to going back to coordinating duties are the ones who have no success at HC

 

hell, even Nagy would likely grab a HC position if he could 

I didn’t say they wouldn’t take the job, I was pushing back at the idea that it’s more fun. 

[minnesotacubsfan]

25 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

I didn’t say they wouldn’t take the job, I was pushing back at the idea that it’s more fun. 

I’d imagine being the HC of a SB winning team would be the most fun

 

 

[CubinNY]

4 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Raiders beat reporters sure seem to think Johnson is going there 

I think Sanders is going there with his son. 

[Tryptamine]

1 hour ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

Disagree. You could use Jeanty in the passing game. Plus I’m kinda done with Swift, he’s a “pitch it to the outside or bust” back. Jeanty has shown the ability to do it all 

So obviously every RB benefits from a good OL, but Swift is a guy who would benefit even more because all he does is look to hit the homerun. He never just takes the 1 or 2 yards that are there. He causes an absurd amount of 2nd and 10+ scenarios. I'd love to dump him if they could without much of a cap hit.

[minnesotacubsfan]

1 minute ago, Tryptamine said:

So obviously every RB benefits from a good OL, but Swift is a guy who would benefit even more because all he does is look to hit the homerun. He never just takes the 1 or 2 yards that are there. He causes an absurd amount of 2nd and 10+ scenarios. I'd love to dump him if they could without much of a cap hit.

All true. Add to it, if you coukd use your RB to actually run a route tree instead of just being the dump off, why would t you? And which of Swift or Jeanty would you prefer in that situation?

[WrigleyField 22]

9 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

So obviously every RB benefits from a good OL, but Swift is a guy who would benefit even more because all he does is look to hit the homerun. He never just takes the 1 or 2 yards that are there. He causes an absurd amount of 2nd and 10+ scenarios. I'd love to dump him if they could without much of a cap hit.

6.1m of his 2025 8m salary/bonus is guaranteed.  Gotta eat that unless he's a trade target.

[BigSlick]

21 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

So obviously every RB benefits from a good OL, but Swift is a guy who would benefit even more because all he does is look to hit the homerun. He never just takes the 1 or 2 yards that are there. He causes an absurd amount of 2nd and 10+ scenarios. I'd love to dump him if they could without much of a cap hit.

I would love to see what Roschon Johnson could do with more 1st and 2nd down runs. I feel like he got really pigeonholed into being a short yardage back and I would have liked to see him given more to do. 

Ah well. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

We're not taking an RB, but if we did, I would assume we are moving Swift to his natural role of long down back, not cutting him 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

3 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

I would love to see what Roschon Johnson could do with more 1st and 2nd down runs. I feel like he got really pigeonholed into being a short yardage back and I would have liked to see him given more to do. 

Ah well. 

To me, Johnson is the most replacement level third string RB who ever replacement leveled. He's fine to have on the roster but I never need to go out of my way to see more of him 

[minnesotacubsfan]

26 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

6.1m of his 2025 8m salary/bonus is guaranteed.  Gotta eat that unless he's a trade target.

Fine. Trade him for something useful like a bag of kicking tees

 

 

[WrigleyField 22]

2 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

Fine. Trade him for something useful like a bag of kicking tees

 

 

Unless you have dreams of Jeanty, probably just bet to put him to best use you can and start succession planning with a mid round pick.

[raw]

1 hour ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

We're not taking an RB, but if we did, I would assume we are moving Swift to his natural role of long down back, not cutting him 

I think Bears fans are really underestimating the RB's value in a Ben Johnson offense. His team spent decent FA money on Montgomery and still drafted RB in the top 15 in the same year. Not saying they'd take Jeanty at 10, but if Johnson is somehow the next head coach of the Bears, I would certainly not be surprised and would almost expect one of the Bears first 3 or 4 picks would be a RB, in a loaded class.

Also worth noting, Johnson, the first year he became Detroit's OC, decreased Swift's carries from 151 to 99 (despite playing 1 more game in 2022 than he did the year before). And that was to give 252 carries to Jamaal Williams, which is 100 more than he had in any season before and over 100 more than he has had combined since he left Detroit. 

 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

16 minutes ago, raw said:

I think Bears fans are really underestimating the RB's value in a Ben Johnson offense. His team spent decent FA money on Montgomery and still drafted RB in the top 15 in the same year. Not saying they'd take Jeanty at 10, but if Johnson is somehow the next head coach of the Bears, I would certainly not be surprised and would almost expect one of the Bears first 3 or 4 picks would be a RB, in a loaded class.

Also worth noting, Johnson, the first year he became Detroit's OC, decreased Swift's carries from 151 to 99 (despite playing 1 more game in 2022 than he did the year before). And that was to give 252 carries to Jamaal Williams, which is 100 more than he had in any season before and over 100 more than he has had combined since he left Detroit. 

 

I would be very, very down to pick an RB in the 2nd or 3rd. It's supposed to be a good draft for it 

[cwood218]

7 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I would be very, very down to pick an RB in the 2nd or 3rd. It's supposed to be a good draft for it 

THIS absolutely THIS. ( Both you and Raw's post above )

Of course taking Jeanty @ 10 is beyond stupid, but this is a great year to get an RB in R2 or Preferably R3.