NFL Week 15

[Brian707]

All the byes are done, a full slate of games here on out.
 

Should be a good one to start off on Thursday- Rams vs Niners

[jumbo]

Tough one to pick

Rams looked pretty good outscoring Buffalo

49ers have had there way with the Rams if my memory is right

[Tryptamine]

Lamar is having a season for the ages. After today's 5TD 0INT performance he's up to 34TD to 3INT. Bryce Young came crashing back to earth after looking greatly improved recently. 2 INT 2 fumbles, 218 yards 83 of which came on one play.

[gflore34]

Lions down 7, Bills get the ball for the second time after scoring on their initial possession. I don't care how "great" of coaches Campbell and Glenn are supposedly, you can't expect to win against quality teams with a defense made up replacement level players.  Eventually, the lack of quality players on defense is going to show up.

[gflore34]

Make that 14-0 perhaps, an ass kicking coming up in Detroit?

[Brian707]

If Detroit doesn't get some of their Defense back they won't last long 

 Philly looks like the team to beat in NFC

[gflore34]

8 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

If Detroit doesn't get some of their Defense back they won't last long 

 Philly looks like the team to beat in NFC

Was thinking along the same lines, hell, even the Bears could roll up some yards and points on what amounts to an almost pre-season line up on defense for the Lions.

[Soul]

Packers’ game plan is the same most games.  Opening drive run run run.  Defense pulls guys in.  Then open up the playbook.

It works as long as you can run effectively and they usually do.

[PackLandVA]

1 hour ago, Soul said:

Packers’ game plan is the same most games.  Opening drive run run run.  Defense pulls guys in.  Then open up the playbook.

It works as long as you can run effectively and they usually do.

Josh Jacobs is having a huge season. But he's being outshined by two RBs having  "huger" seasons.

[UMFan83]

I know Kyle will just roll his eyes if he sees this but looking at the standings and playoff picture I can’t help but wonder the effect of coaching on some of these surprise likely playoff teams. 

Tomlin has had some middling Pittsburgh teams and QB issues but has never had a sub-.500 season despite being the longest tenured coach in the league. His Steelers are 10-4 this year. 

I laughed when the Broncos took Nix 12th and thought it was an overreach. Sean Payton came into a situation where the team wasn’t performing well, they had a mess at QB and traded 3 first round picks to acquire that mess. Seemed a few years at least from turning it around. Now 9-5 and going to the playoffs. 

Chargers were known for being perpetual disappointments. Hired Harbaugh and even with his reputation, the general expectation was a short rebuild in LA, especially after trading Herbert’s top 2 WRs away and replacing them with a 2nd round rookie and not a ton else.

Just feels to me like hiring the right coach really does make a tremendous difference in many cases. Though admittedly I’m not putting a ton of thought or analysis into this post, I’m sure there are examples of well regarded coaches falling flat at a new job and there’s the argument for teams like Minnesota and GB: are they good because O’Connell and LaFleur are elite coaches or are they good because they have good rosters and GMs. Or is it a mix of both?

Either way, I really really hope the Bears don’t botch the head coach hire…again

[We Got The Whole 9]

2 players had big wide open touchdowns today and decided to drop the ball right before the goal line lol

 

How can players be so dumb. Just hold the damn ball.

[jersey cubs fan]

7 hours ago, UMFan83 said:

I know Kyle will just roll his eyes if he sees this but looking at the standings and playoff picture I can’t help but wonder the effect of coaching on some of these surprise likely playoff teams. 

Tomlin has had some middling Pittsburgh teams and QB issues but has never had a sub-.500 season despite being the longest tenured coach in the league. His Steelers are 10-4 this year. 

I laughed when the Broncos took Nix 12th and thought it was an overreach. Sean Payton came into a situation where the team wasn’t performing well, they had a mess at QB and traded 3 first round picks to acquire that mess. Seemed a few years at least from turning it around. Now 9-5 and going to the playoffs. 

Chargers were known for being perpetual disappointments. Hired Harbaugh and even with his reputation, the general expectation was a short rebuild in LA, especially after trading Herbert’s top 2 WRs away and replacing them with a 2nd round rookie and not a ton else.

Just feels to me like hiring the right coach really does make a tremendous difference in many cases. Though admittedly I’m not putting a ton of thought or analysis into this post, I’m sure there are examples of well regarded coaches falling flat at a new job and there’s the argument for teams like Minnesota and GB: are they good because O’Connell and LaFleur are elite coaches or are they good because they have good rosters and GMs. Or is it a mix of both?

Either way, I really really hope the Bears don’t botch the head coach hire…again

There is no question that coaching matters in football. Personnel is more important but coaching matters. 

[BigbadB]

7 hours ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

2 players had big wide open touchdowns today and decided to drop the ball right before the goal line lol

 

How can players be so dumb. Just hold the damn ball.

And at least the 3rd time overall this year.

[Old Style]

3 more significant injuries for the Lions defense. Sucks for them. 

[gflore34]

4 minutes ago, Old Style said:

3 more significant injuries for the Lions defense. Sucks for them. 

Everyone is thinking the Seahawks game as probably the last reasonable chance the Bears have to win.  With their multitude of injuries on defense, ironically, the Lions might be a decent chance at a win.  Of course, it would be so Bears to make the present Lions defense look like world beaters.

[Soul]

10 hours ago, UMFan83 said:

I know Kyle will just roll his eyes if he sees this but looking at the standings and playoff picture I can’t help but wonder the effect of coaching on some of these surprise likely playoff teams. 

Tomlin has had some middling Pittsburgh teams and QB issues but has never had a sub-.500 season despite being the longest tenured coach in the league. His Steelers are 10-4 this year. 

I laughed when the Broncos took Nix 12th and thought it was an overreach. Sean Payton came into a situation where the team wasn’t performing well, they had a mess at QB and traded 3 first round picks to acquire that mess. Seemed a few years at least from turning it around. Now 9-5 and going to the playoffs. 

Chargers were known for being perpetual disappointments. Hired Harbaugh and even with his reputation, the general expectation was a short rebuild in LA, especially after trading Herbert’s top 2 WRs away and replacing them with a 2nd round rookie and not a ton else.

Just feels to me like hiring the right coach really does make a tremendous difference in many cases. Though admittedly I’m not putting a ton of thought or analysis into this post, I’m sure there are examples of well regarded coaches falling flat at a new job and there’s the argument for teams like Minnesota and GB: are they good because O’Connell and LaFleur are elite coaches or are they good because they have good rosters and GMs. Or is it a mix of both?

Either way, I really really hope the Bears don’t botch the head coach hire…again

Not just the coach though.  It's the entire org, from the top all the way down.  It's hard to hire the right coach when the top execs don't have their s*** together.  Best coaching candidates aren't dumb, they know the situation they'd be coming in to.  And leadership doesn't know how to identify the best anyway.

I mean it's not impossible, but much much more difficult to strike gold.

Edited December 16, 2024 by Soul

[Soul]

3 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

Everyone is thinking the Seahawks game as probably the last reasonable chance the Bears have to win.  With their multitude of injuries on defense, ironically, the Lions might be a decent chance at a win.  Of course, it would be so Bears to make the present Lions defense look like world beaters.

At this point we are in that all-too-familiar position of wanting losses more than wins because of higher draft picks.  I never root for that though.  I just can't.  But every win will push us down the draft board.

[Brian707]

I hope Caleb Williams doesn't get killed tonight

 

Over under times he gets sacked I would say is 5.5

Edited December 16, 2024 by Brian707

[gflore34]

27 minutes ago, Soul said:

Not just the coach though.  It's the entire org, from the top all the way down.  It's hard to hire the right coach when the top execs don't have their s*** together.  Best coaching candidates aren't dumb, they know the situation they'd be coming in to.  And leadership doesn't know how to identify the best anyway.

I mean it's not impossible, but much much more difficult to strike gold.

Like the Lions they've got to stumble across or luck into good hires, it can be done but, as said, it's going to take some good fortune.

[CubinNY]

16 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

I hope Caleb Williams doesn't get killed tonight

 

Over under times he gets sacked I would say is 5.5

I'm taking the over. 

Edited December 16, 2024 by CubinNY

[Tryptamine]

I don't get the talk that Josh Allen sealed the deal with MVP last night like he's the run away winner. I wouldn't even have him as the winner much less the run way winner.

COMP%

Lamar: 68.1%(11th)

Allen: 64.4%(20th)

 

Passing Yards

Lamar: 3580(5th)

Allen: 3395(8th)

 

AVG:

Lamar: 8.9(1st)

Allen: 8.0(8th)

 

YPG:

Lamar: 255.7(5th)

Allen: 242.5(8th)

 

Passing TD:

Lamar: 34(2nd)

Allen: 25(6th)

 

INT:

Lamar: 3

Allen: 5

 

QBR:

Lamar: 76.0(2nd)

Allen: 79.4(1st)

 

RTG:

Lamar: 120.7(1st)

Allen: 103.5(7th)

 

Rushing Yards:

Lamar: 742(1st)

Allen: 484(4th)

 

YPC:

Lamar: 6.3

Allen: 5.3

 

Rushing TD:

Lamar: 3

Allen: 11

 

 

 

 

 

[jersey cubs fan]

48 minutes ago, Soul said:

At this point we are in that all-too-familiar position of wanting losses more than wins because of higher draft picks.  I never root for that though.  I just can't.  But every win will push us down the draft board.

I’m not rooting for losses and draft pick location. I’m looking for the franchise qb to succeed 

[Ding Dong Johnson]

25 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

I don't get the talk that Josh Allen sealed the deal with MVP last night like he's the run away winner. I wouldn't even have him as the winner much less the run way winner.

 

I think Lamar has to literally die in order to not win again this year.

[UMFan83]

13 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

I’m not rooting for losses and draft pick location. I’m looking for the franchise qb to succeed 

yeah...if we have the QB already, I would much rather him get a few wins to end the season on the high note (in addition to good vibes and confidence, it likely means he played well).  I'll drop to the 14th pick or something for that.  If we were tanking for a QB, tank away.

[soccer10k]

9 minutes ago, Ding Dong Johnson said:

I think Lamar has to literally die in order to not win again this year.

Voter fatigue and the fact that he’s had poor results in the playoffs will cause some voters to not vote for him. It’s a dumb reason but we’ve seen it happen many times before.