Chicago Bears offseason

[jersey cubs fan]

27 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Three of the five guys you listed were also good on their first team.

So good their teams didn’t want them 

[minnesotacubsfan]

20 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I wrote and deleted three different drafts going into exhaustively autistic detail on the psychology of sports beliefs.  You're all welcome.

it just feels like you've lost a step, I mean you use the word "optimistic" now

 

sigh

 

[WrigleyField 22]

17 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Trubisky?  Drafted the same year as Mahomes and Watson?  Or am I forgetting another QB draft pick by the Bears?

How did you eff up that quote to attribute it to me lol

 

But it was viewed at the time as a weaker QB class.  Hence why none went first overall even though Cleveland needed one (helped that Garrett was geberational-ish edge too).

[Hairyducked Idiot]

19 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

So good their teams didn’t want them 

That doesn't change the accuracy of what I said

[BigSlick]

I think Kyle is fundamentally right about the QB stuff, and the point about Williams is quite strong: Even if he underachieves what we expect, and is on the lower range of what we grade his potential at, he'll likely be better than Fields and a serviceable QB on a team thats getting progressively more talented. That may not be a guy you want to guarantee 50 million for, but if he turns into Baker Mayfield (a disappointing return on the 1st overall), you can absolutely be a contender with that with the team as its building up. His ceiling is Mahomes and Rodgers. 

There's always a chance he turns into Jamarcus Russell, but thats simply the chance you gotta take in the NFL.

I think Danny Parkins actually made a pretty insightful point about excessive Fields love: He was the sole exciting bright spot on a 2022 team that otherwise was just awful. He made a season that would have been a huge slog exciting and fun. That's a rare quality in a player, especially a Bears QB. And our fanbase has been so starved of good QB play that they fundamentally can't have a reasonable take on whats good or not good, or a sober thought about how to approach retaining or releasing a QB. 

Edited March 20, 2024 by BigSlick

[Brian707]

58 minutes ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

So apparently, Keenan Allen is/was at the USC pro day. 

[BigSlick]

3 hours ago, 17 Seconds said:

magary is on board

https://defector.com/j-j-mccarthy-is-a-false-flag-and-other-notes-from-a-burgeoning-draft-pervert

I really like this article because I agree with 2 big points, and I'm almost shocked that they've become unpopular: 

 

JJ McCarthy has shown barely anything to justify the hype - the hype train for him is crazy. Maybe he's good, but I certainly haven't seen anything from him in games that have shown that to me. And if you don't see that in college football games why should I think that at the pro level? The man didn't even throw for a half in a meaningful conference game. What is happening!!!

Jayden Daniels is a twig who will be ripped in half the second he steps on a pro football field. 

Less confident on but still in agreement: I also feel like Penix will surprise people. The health and age is a concern and will keep him, justifiably, being drafted highly. But he's also really good, and may give a team a nice 3 year peak of play if he stays healthy - exactly the kind of player that can spike some amazing play for a short period of time that would do great on a team drafting in the low 1st rounds. Honestly, if I was Minnesota this is exactly the kind of player I'd be looking for. 

Edited March 20, 2024 by BigSlick

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I don't get the Jayden Daniels helium at all. Every time I watch his film I just see throw after throw that isn't NFL quality 

[UMFan83]

8 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

I really like this article because I agree with 2 big points, and I'm almost shocked that they've become unpopular: 

 

JJ McCarthy has shown barely anything to justify the hype - the hype train for him is crazy. Maybe he's good, but I certainly haven't seen anything from him in games that have shown that to me. And if you don't see that in college football games why should I think that at the pro level? The man didn't even throw for a half in a meaningful conference game. What is happening!!!

Jayden Daniels is a twig who will be ripped in half the second he steps on a pro football field. 

Less confident on but still in agreement: I also feel like Penix will surprise people. The health and age is a concern and will keep him, justifiably, being drafted highly. But he's also really good, and may give a team a nice 3 year peak of play if he stays healthy - exactly the kind of player that can spike some amazing play for a short period of time that would do great on a team drafting in the low 1st rounds. Honestly, if I was Minnesota this is exactly the kind of player I'd be looking for. 

Trying to mostly stay out of the JJ debate because there is no way I can be impartial about evaluating him but just wanted to point out that that JJ messed up his knee at the end of the first half of the PSU game, to the point where he could barely walk the next week, almost didnt play vs Maryland and almost left the game against Maryland at halftime.  The Maryland game by far was his worst statistical game of the season.  I mean its not like he was terrible before they stopped passing vs Penn State (I think he was 7-8 for 60 yards or something like that).  Their tackle was getting burned by Chop Robinson on almost every drop back too which certainly also played into the decision to rely on the run more.

I see several NFL traits from JJ, but can also understand why people are pushing back hard against his rise.  Not a sure thing at all and probably needs 1-2 years of development but I think he can be a good NFL QB.

[UMFan83]

1 hour ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

How did you eff up that quote to attribute it to me lol

 

But it was viewed at the time as a weaker QB class.  Hence why none went first overall even though Cleveland needed one (helped that Garrett was geberational-ish edge too).

Weird, I don't think I did anything differently than normal

(just kidding im trying to sabotage you)

[UMFan83]

Not watching Caleb Williams pro day and I'm sure some of the reaction is fluff but I'll still bite when I read nothing but glowing reviews about his performance.  His last throw (I think) was a 55 yard dime.

[Brian707]

40 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Not watching Caleb Williams pro day and I'm sure some of the reaction is fluff but I'll still bite when I read nothing but glowing reviews about his performance.  His last throw (I think) was a 55 yard dime.

[sneakypower]

1 hour ago, BigSlick said:

I really like this article because I agree with 2 big points, and I'm almost shocked that they've become unpopular: 

JJ McCarthy has shown barely anything to justify the hype - the hype train for him is crazy. Maybe he's good, but I certainly haven't seen anything from him in games that have shown that to me. And if you don't see that in college football games why should I think that at the pro level? The man didn't even throw for a half in a meaningful conference game. What is happening!!!

fwiw Chop Robinson & Adisa Isaac were blowing by Michigan's turnstile tackles and it's ironically a testament to JJ's importance/irreplaceable nature that they opted to use such extreme measures there to preserve him

in a somewhat apples to apples (Harbaugh offense) comparison his efficiency/rate stats were fairly comparable to Andrew Luck albeit w less volume


  

[Old Style]

A 55 yard dime at a pro day means less than jack horsefeathers but I guess it’s better than badly missing a receiver with no other players on the field. 

[SpongeWorthy]

 

this is about 65 yards

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The pocket awareness on the play that starts at 14:30 is so elite.  Dude has eyes in the back of his head.

 

 

[raw]

3 hours ago, BigSlick said:

I really like this article because I agree with 2 big points, and I'm almost shocked that they've become unpopular: 

 

JJ McCarthy has shown barely anything to justify the hype - the hype train for him is crazy. Maybe he's good, but I certainly haven't seen anything from him in games that have shown that to me. And if you don't see that in college football games why should I think that at the pro level? The man didn't even throw for a half in a meaningful conference game. What is happening!!!

Jayden Daniels is a twig who will be ripped in half the second he steps on a pro football field. 

Less confident on but still in agreement: I also feel like Penix will surprise people. The health and age is a concern and will keep him, justifiably, being drafted highly. But he's also really good, and may give a team a nice 3 year peak of play if he stays healthy - exactly the kind of player that can spike some amazing play for a short period of time that would do great on a team drafting in the low 1st rounds. Honestly, if I was Minnesota this is exactly the kind of player I'd be looking for. 

I think McCarthy is kinda getting underrated due to people thinking the same as you. But he has 28 collegiate starts and won a national championship, which is more games than Drake Maye has started. The biggest issue is that he had is his coach only let throw over 20 times in 60% of those games (for example, Maye has a season's worth of attempts, 300+, more than McCarthy). But when he does throw, he's as efficient as they come. I believe he had a 73% conversion rate on 3rd and 7+ this year (1st down or touchdown). This isn't to say he's a stud. Because obviously teams want to see if he can carry a team, which he hasn't really shown. He's the youngest QB in a class with 3 guys that have started for 5 years. 

Penix needs to run around like crazy at his pro day. Like make 0 throws from the pocket. He was one of the most mobile QBs in college before the ACL tears in both knees. That athleticism is still there somewhere to some extent. Teams just don't want QBs who don't move anymore. But I do think you can get him on a vet laden team and he can be a solid player.

[17 Seconds]

am I being a meatball or are some of the comments from the players about fields getting a little cringe worthy?

[jersey cubs fan]

1 hour ago, 17 Seconds said:

am I being a meatball or are some of the comments from the players about fields getting a little cringe worthy?

What kind of comments are out there recently?

[17 Seconds]

1 minute ago, jersey cubs fan said:

What kind of comments are out there recently?

moore talking about fields' "legacy" and jaylon calling caleb "hollywood" or whatever 

it's completely irrelevant, it's just going on longer than i thought

[jersey cubs fan]

5 minutes ago, 17 Seconds said:

moore talking about fields' "legacy" and jaylon calling caleb "hollywood" or whatever 

it's completely irrelevant, it's just going on longer than i thought

Just read JJ’s full comments and they were pretty good stuff, saying things a veteran leader should say about a get to be drafted player. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Yeah, the Johnson thing was just reporters asking loaded questions in a way that, no matter how the athlete answers, you get a headline that makes it sound more dramatic than it is.

Edited March 22, 2024 by Hairyducked Idiot

[WrigleyField 22]

The Hollywood part was dumb and is part of a image Caleb is going to have to prove is wrong... Or prove that he's so good he's allowed to be a little Hollywood. 

[gflore34]

Besides the media who gives a rat's ass about what's being said about Fields by Moore, etc.  Once training camp begins and Moore, etc. see what a significant upgrade there is at QB, they'll be saying Justin who?

[David]

I didn't find anything DJ said in that interview off-putting or even a little unexpected.  If anything, it was boring and vanilla.  Weird take.

Edited March 22, 2024 by David