Chicago Bears offseason

[We Got The Whole 9]

16 minutes ago, PackLandVA said:

 

 

Joe Barry has been a good positional coach throughout the course of his coaching career.  It's one of the reasons he's had multiple opportunities as a DC.  But he's been a disaster, arguably, as a DC. If the Bears hired him as the DC, it would most likely be in name only as Eberflus would probably retain the playcalling/schemes.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I feel like GB's defense has regressed under Barry, no thanks

 

 

[Brian707]

 

1 hour ago, PackLandVA said:

If the Bears hired him as the DC, it would most likely be in name only as Eberflus would probably retain the playcalling/schemes.

[jersey cubs fan]

Kerry Joseph is new QB coach. The upside of this staff is you don’t have to worry about some other team stealing your young offensive assistants if they are boring 50 year olds 

[MidoreX]

Bills DL (also assistant HC) coach Eric Washington hired as DC. Seems fine

Edited January 27, 2024 by MidoreX

[jersey cubs fan]

Kind of surprised they seemingly emphasized experience at DC as well. Very bland hire again, I don’t see any of these guys being high in lists for promotions next season. Stability over all, I’m guessing Eberflus will get 2024 as a pass and be there in 2025 regardless of 2024 result. That should give the next? qb 2 years with the same staff. 

[Tryptamine]

1 hour ago, MidoreX said:

Bills DL (also assistant HC) coach Eric Washington hired as DC. Seems fine

A DL guy, this is very much what I expected.

[Magnetic Curses]

the Caleb vs. Fields argument is so depressing.

[Magnetic Curses]

On 1/22/2024 at 9:04 PM, jersey cubs fan said:

Absolutely more than a crapshoot. They’ll probably never get a better chance than with the #1 pick in the 2024 draft. Fields is an average NFL QB, when taking into account all the guys that actually play, but well below the difference makers on successful teams. It’s not that hard to get better than him. Tampa and Detroit did with castoffs. Maybe Fields turns into somebody else’s reclamation success story. Probably not.
 

If they do manage to trade out and surround fields with studs aplenty, they might succeed. But it won’t last, because youll have to pay him more than he’s worth to keep him if he’s so reliant on the supporting cast. 

How good is Fields if he must be surrounded with a #superteam?

 

he has trouble throwing on time from the pocket and the game hasn't slowed down for him one bit. It has nothing to do with him playing in a scheme that fits him because every scheme in the NFL will require the QB to throw on time. Most of his amazing plays are just him solving problems that he himself creates.

you keep him in the pocket by sending your edge defenders straight up the field, play zone, and run some exotic blitzes that he of course won't recognize.

[Magnetic Curses]

On 1/25/2024 at 12:49 PM, PosterToBeNamedLater said:

I'm a little more than halfway through this, but I have liked this so far.  I do hope we draft Williams.  

 

yeah, this is great. gets me excited but also makes me nervous that we won't take him. good thing Cunningham is there to give Poles another voice of reason.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

20 hours ago, Magnetic Curses said:

the Caleb vs. Fields argument is so depressing.

It's depressing that it's an argument.

I'm open to "Caleb vs. trading down and taking a different QB."

But the fact that Fields can be *this* bad this long and still have people jocking for him is like 70% of a Tebow.

[WrigleyField 22]

38 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

It's depressing that it's an argument.

I'm open to "Caleb vs. trading down and taking a different QB."

But the fact that Fields can be *this* bad this long and still have people jocking for him is like 70% of a Tebow.

Nah, any rookie QB option other than Caleb or Maye and I'd just role with Fields for another year.

[CubinNY]

25 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Nah, any rookie QB option other than Caleb or Maye and I'd just role with Fields for another year.

Another losing year.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

52 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Nah, any rookie QB option other than Caleb or Maye and I'd just role with Fields for another year.

There's zero scenarios where it makes sense to go with Fields for another year.

We'd be better off signing some dumb turd like Minshew off the free agent scraps.

[Bertz]

^ This is what it feels like to be pro-Williams rather than anti Fields on the same board as Kyle 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 minute ago, Bertz said:

^ This is what it feels like to be pro-Williams rather than anti Fields on the same board as Kyle 

You could try being less wrong.

[Rex Buckingham]

Depending on how the board falls, I'd be interested in seeing the Bears move down from 9 to a team like Seattle (16), Pittsburgh (20), or Tampa Bay (26) and see if they can pick up a 1st rounder next year from them. Those teams feel like ones that could easily crater, and also might be aggressive in moving up to take a jump over this year. It's a tough bet, because moving down that far could take you out of the range of guys the org has 1st round grades on, but if you got something like this year's 1, next year's 1, and maybe swap your 3 for their 2, it might be worth moving down. 

I feel like the 2024 Bears will be similar in record to this year's team if they pick the right QB, and 2025 is when they could really jump with that QB in their 2nd year and an additional 1st rounder could provide a big needed talent boost, or the ammo to move up for a big time player.

[CubinNY]

14 minutes ago, Rex Buckingham said:

Depending on how the board falls, I'd be interested in seeing the Bears move down from 9 to a team like Seattle (16), Pittsburgh (20), or Tampa Bay (26) and see if they can pick up a 1st rounder next year from them. Those teams feel like ones that could easily crater, and also might be aggressive in moving up to take a jump over this year. It's a tough bet, because moving down that far could take you out of the range of guys the org has 1st round grades on, but if you got something like this year's 1, next year's 1, and maybe swap your 3 for their 2, it might be worth moving down. 

I feel like the 2024 Bears will be similar in record to this year's team if they pick the right QB, and 2025 is when they could really jump with that QB in their 2nd year and an additional 1st rounder could provide a big needed talent boost, or the ammo to move up for a big time player.

I think that is a dangerous bet that I wouldn't want to make if I were Poles. The talent distribution is too thin. At some point, they need to start winning more than losing.  They can do that next year if Willams is the QB he is supposed to be. 

[Rex Buckingham]

9 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

I think that is a dangerous bet that I wouldn't want to make if I were Poles. The talent distribution is too thin. At some point, they need to start winning more than losing.  They can do that next year if Willams is the QB he is supposed to be. 

you're probably right

[WrigleyField 22]

As a follow up to a post last week:

 

There is zero chance that Chase Young is a Flus fit lol

 

[WrigleyField 22]

57 minutes ago, Rex Buckingham said:

Depending on how the board falls, I'd be interested in seeing the Bears move down from 9 to a team like Seattle (16), Pittsburgh (20), or Tampa Bay (26) and see if they can pick up a 1st rounder next year from them. Those teams feel like ones that could easily crater, and also might be aggressive in moving up to take a jump over this year. It's a tough bet, because moving down that far could take you out of the range of guys the org has 1st round grades on, but if you got something like this year's 1, next year's 1, and maybe swap your 3 for their 2, it might be worth moving down. 

I feel like the 2024 Bears will be similar in record to this year's team if they pick the right QB, and 2025 is when they could really jump with that QB in their 2nd year and an additional 1st rounder could provide a big needed talent boost, or the ammo to move up for a big time player.

Yea, 9 is gonna be such an interesting spot.  A lot of mocks have all of Nabers/Odunnze/Bowers gone.  I don't actually think that bears out as it's still very early.  Though if all 3 of those guys were actually gone you have an interesting choice of one of the top 2 Tackles probably then being there.  But those guys could also theoretically be gone too where it's 8 offensive players gone. But that happening means a third QB hasn't gone and you could very well have a prime trade down spot.

 

Now that's all the January 29th fantasy stuff. This time last year, most media mocks had like half the top filled with guys who ended up going late first round. So it's all gonna change.  But a trade down definitely wouldn't surprise me because it's Poles M.O.  And UT could end up like the Pats last year who traded down and still got the pkayer many had as a top 10 pick most of the process and who fans were clamoring for.

[BigSlick]

Unless the return on 9 is overwhelming, I'm not sure I'm looking to trade it. No matter who's gone by the time the clock goes back to Chicago, there's special talent available. And I think this team does need a bit of special talent on the roster. If all goes according to plan you get Caleb Williams at 1 and you get another difference maker at 9. 

I'm typically team "accumulate as many assets as possible" - and I can see a path for that. But I also want a real ass-kicker WR, TE, Dlineman or a stud Olineman if there's one available there. 

[Tryptamine]

If Nabers/Odunze are gone I'd love to trade back to the mid teens. There's about half a dozen defensive guys in the 10-20 range I think are very similar value wise.

[BigSlick]

That logic also applies to any potential trade partners: if there’s lots of interchangeable talent between 10-20, then what’s the motivation for other teams to offer much to move up in that area?

[WrigleyField 22]

50 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

Unless the return on 9 is overwhelming, I'm not sure I'm looking to trade it. No matter who's gone by the time the clock goes back to Chicago, there's special talent available. And I think this team does need a bit of special talent on the roster. If all goes according to plan you get Caleb Williams at 1 and you get another difference maker at 9. 

I'm typically team "accumulate as many assets as possible" - and I can see a path for that. But I also want a real ass-kicker WR, TE, Dlineman or a stud Olineman if there's one available there. 

Yea I don't disagree,it's mostly interesting in a case where it's a overwhelming trade down opportunity.  But I don't think Poles sees it that way.  I mean even last year people were screaming at him to take Carter, but he clearly had no interest and took the opportunity to take the actual guy he wanted who this time last year was like a consensus board third rounder.  So who knows.