The Bears are on the clock; Packers Week

[mul21]

1 minute ago, Wilson A2000 said:

They are smarter than that. Go after Harbaugh. 

I hope so.  The only solace I take from all the positive comments about Flus are that it feels a little like the dreaded vote of confidence.

[Thusly Boned]

15 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

It's especially funny to see the shift from :"that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard you're only posting that because it's negative, it's obviously not true" to "well obviously lots of people thought that at the time."

Well, the things Fields doesn't do well are well documented, and have been for a while. Nothing you've said any any point hasn't already been said multiple times by dozens of analysts at any point over the past couple of years. And there are numerous people on this board who demonstrably know more about this stuff than you do.

You also have to remember where you are posting - you're in a game thread, where people are being reactionary and irrational.  You can't come into these, be insanely repetitive, negative, and I-told-you-so-y and then be surprised when people tell you to f off.

[BigSlick]

32 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Lots of goats today but the DL horsefeathers sucked today

 

 

Team overall played bad, but the lines in particular were awful. DLine got no pressure and was moved around with reckless abandon by the Packers Oline. The Bears Oline couldn't protect and couldn't run block. 

Fields wasn't given a lot of help but he also didn't help himself. He took a couple sacks he didn't need to. He wasn't quick enough to beat the blitz or even just run of the mill pressure. Yeah, he was pressured, yeah the Oline sucked, yeah his receivers weren't getting open...but I'm tired of the excuses. Great QBs overcome that. Great QBs score at least one TD under duress. He couldn't manage that. 

I ain't mad, I love the kid. He's got a great attitude, he's gonna start in the league for a while. But it's time for the Bears to take a flyer on one of the better prospects coming out. And they need to fix a bunch of stuff on top of that. 

Bring on the scouting reports. 

Edited January 8, 2024 by BigSlick

[Tryptamine]

I wouldn't be mad about Harbaugh,  but he doesn't really do anything for me. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

6 minutes ago, XZero77 said:

Well, the things Fields doesn't do well are well documented, and have been for a while. Nothing you've said any any point hasn't already been said multiple times by dozens of analysts at any point over the past couple of years. And there are numerous people on this board who demonstrably know more about this stuff than you do.

You also have to remember where you are posting - you're in a game thread, where people are being reactionary and irrational.  You can't come into these, be insanely repetitive, negative, and I-told-you-so-y and then be surprised when people tell you to f off.

I didn't say I was surprised.

[UMFan83]

15 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

Alright folks, take a step away and take a breath. It sucked and some of you are itching for a fight, but let's play nice in the sandbox.

Yes why not focus our anger on the couple of Packers fans that are admittedly treading lightly in this thread but clearly enjoying our tears?

[UK]

41 minutes ago, bukie said:

DLine was bad, zone defensive backfield was awful, really missed Johnson today (and he probably made a few mil in a potential resigning today).

Offensive playcalling was atrocious and O-line frequently didn't allow a pocket for any real passing game. 

Need a couple players on both lines, along with DB depth and a FS (Jackson was not good this season). Add a WR, TE, and there are a good 8 holes that needs filing before I'd consider this a playoff quality roster. 

If you take the big swing on a QB at 1-1 and not trade back for more quantity of picks, they'd best not miss or the franchise is set back another 5 years.

Talent wise, they have a long ways to go to become a legit playoff contender.

[UK]

22 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

I wouldn't be mad about Harbaugh,  but he doesn't really do anything for me. 

He's won. Regardless, of pros or college and has been successful at developing QBs. I'm sure he'll flame out after a few years but there will be winning before that and once he leaves (likely while winning) they can maintain it.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

6 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Yes why not focus our anger on the couple of Packers fans that are admittedly treading lightly in this thread but clearly enjoying our tears?

In the name of harmony, I'm game. 

I don't relish Bear fan tears, though.  That would just be cruelty, at this point. Packer fans, as a rule, are insufferable, and apart from a lot of painful playoff losses, have been insanely spoiled. I'm only here because this is one of the few places I can expect mostly reasonable takes on the game and I'm addicted to this mad house, in general. 

The Packers will probably lose next round, and badly, but being the youngest team to make the playoffs ever has me pretty hyped about the future. Still stunned that the offense appears to be legit. 

[gflore34]

The Bears aren't that far away, there's talent and more will be added in the offseason.  Williams or Maye are coming to pretty decent roster, built to be competitive now.

[UMFan83]

6 minutes ago, JudasIscariotTheBird said:

In the name of harmony, I'm game. 

I don't relish Bear fan tears, though.  That would just be cruelty, at this point. Packer fans, as a rule, are insufferable, and apart from a lot of painful playoff losses, have been insanely spoiled. I'm only here because this is one of the few places I can expect mostly reasonable takes on the game and I'm addicted to this mad house, in general. 

The Packers will probably lose next round, and badly, but being the youngest team to make the playoffs ever has me pretty hyped about the future. Still stunned that the offense appears to be legit. 

I’m keeping myself sane by reminding myself that at one point in my life I was certain the Cubs would never win the World Series and that Michigan would never beat Ohio State. They both felt hopeless at one point as they do now. It will keep happening until one day it doesn’t lol

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

Not that anyone really cares, but I'll give my Fields take. I think he's basically a less-decisive Michael Vick, and if he had a creative and smart coaching apparatus around him that was invested in his success, he'd have much better results. He's shown steady improvement over his career, but it doesn't look like he's going to be a top 5 QB, and it's hard to win super bowls without one of those. 

I think it's a really tough call on if the Bears should stick with him (at a price much cheaper than he deserves) or gamble on a QB in the draft. But the coaches should have been gone yesterday. I think I'd lean gambling, simply because the roster, as it stands, isn't close to winning it all in the near future. 

[CubinNY]

There are so many variables at work

1. Fields wasn’t their guy. 
2. they didn’t try for a year or more

3. Poles and Fluss are tied together. If Poles gets rid of Fluss his clock starts ticking. 
4. the play calling, chicken or egg? 
5. the draft 

6. what is going on with the move?

7. Fluss had to become the DC because his DC went AWOL. 
 

I’m leaning toward everyone stays but Fields. But it’s the Bears, so not one bit shocked if everyone stays and they load up on picks, including one of the 2nd tier QBs. 

[UK]

Although I would blow everything up (Poles on down), I do except Getsy and Fields to be gone.

[UMFan83]

Bears and Vikings both finished 7-10 but the Bears “win” the tiebreaker and are considered the last place team in the North. 2024 opponents:

Home:

Green Bay

Minnesota

Detroit

Jacksonville

LA Rams

Seattle

Tennessee

Carolina*

New England*
 

Away:

Green Bay

Minnesota

Detroit

Arizona

Houston

Indianapolis

San Francisco

Washington*
 

The games with a star are the ones we are “gifted” by having the last place schedule. If we had lost the tiebreaker to Minnesota those games would have been Atlanta and NY Jets at home and NY Giants away

[Brian707]

If the Bears ultimate goal of winning the SB in the next few years.  Eberflus, Getsy, Fields must all go. Sadly the McCaskeys most likely call the shots and most likely they all will stay or at least Eberflus will stay.

Chances the following will be retained:

Eberflus 75%

Getsy 50%

Fields 40%

 

[UMFan83]

9 minutes ago, JudasIscariotTheBird said:

Not that anyone really cares, but I'll give my Fields take. I think he's basically a less-decisive Michael Vick, and if he had a creative and smart coaching apparatus around him that was invested in his success, he'd have much better results. He's shown steady improvement over his career, but it doesn't look like he's going to be a top 5 QB, and it's hard to win super bowls without one of those. 

I think it's a really tough call on if the Bears should stick with him (at a price much cheaper than he deserves) or gamble on a QB in the draft. But the coaches should have been gone yesterday. I think I'd lean gambling, simply because the roster, as it stands, isn't close to winning it all in the near future. 

I think the roster is closer than you think. The problem is the areas it’s still lacking are pretty horsefeathers important (HC, OC, QB, OL). But the defense has basically been rebuilt and despite the terrible showing today has looked pretty damn good at times this year and is full of young talent. Even the OL appears to have 2 or 3 of the 5 spots set with young talent.  
 

I think if you put a legit good QB and OC on this team and build some depth through another draft/FA period they can be good really soon, but obviously much easier said than done. 

Edited January 8, 2024 by UMFan83

[Old Style]

Teven Jenkins was straight trash today. Combine that with how injury prone he is and I think we need 3 interior OL through the draft and FA. 

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

Just now, UMFan83 said:

I think the roster is closer than you think. The problem is the areas it’s still lacking are pretty horsefeathers important (HC, OC, QB, OL). But the defense has basically been rebuilt and despite the terrible showing today has looked pretty damn good at times this year and is full of young talent. Even the OL appears to have 2 or 3 of the 5 spots set with young talent.  

I'll admit I'm colored by watching mostly only Packer-Bear games.  I wasn't even aware the Bears had a young, shut down corner had I not been in this thread. Still, the heartening recent results have mostly occurred while beating up on garbage teams, no?  It's hard to evaluate talent when the coaching is so clearly horrific. 

[Wilson A2000]

Would you take the #1 pick or Jordan Love right now?

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

1 minute ago, Wilson A2000 said:

Would you take the #1 pick or Jordan Love right now?

Dang. Is "you" the Bears?  I think I'd lean #1 pick for the same reason I'd lean new QB over Fields: current roster. Love is clearly a safer bet to be a good QB going forward than Fields, but Fields' ceiling is still higher. 

[jersey cubs fan]

7 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

I think the roster is closer than you think. The problem is the areas it’s still lacking are pretty horsefeathers important (HC, OC, QB, OL). But the defense has basically been rebuilt and despite the terrible showing today has looked pretty damn good at times this year and is full of young talent. Even the OL appears to have 2 or 3 of the 5 spots set with young talent.  
 

I think if you put a legit good QB and OC on this team and build some depth through another draft/FA period they can be good really soon, but obviously much easier said than done. 

People talk about how good the defense has looked for part of the season conveniently forget how bad they were in multiple games, how often they came up short in the end, and the fact they faced a last place schedule. The defense is just another defense in this league. They are nothing special. And they can’t afford to spend big resources on it this offseason since they pretty much have to go QB/WR in the first and desperately need o line help. 

Two years in and they haven’t found the engine that makes this go. It’s probably not going to happen. 

[UMFan83]

4 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

People talk about how good the defense has looked for part of the season conveniently forget how bad they were in multiple games, how often they came up short in the end, and the fact they faced a last place schedule. The defense is just another defense in this league. They are nothing special. And they can’t afford to spend big resources on it this offseason since they pretty much have to go QB/WR in the first and desperately need o line help. 

Two years in and they haven’t found the engine that makes this go. It’s probably not going to happen. 

That’s fair that the defense hasn’t played up to par, I’m just saying that we’re starting to collect a good core of defensive talent. They absolutely need to address the defense in the offseason but I think we have 3 DBs they really like and 4 if they resign Jaylon, Brisker is a keeper at safety, Dexter really came on strong the 2nd half of the year and Sweat was acquired to be an impact piece on the DL. The linebackers are expensive but as a group are somewhere between adequate and above average.  It’s not a finished product but I feel much better about the pieces in place than I did 2 years ago. 
 

Edited January 8, 2024 by UMFan83

[UMFan83]

I don’t even want him back but this makes me sad.  Such a unique situation that led to Fields possibly being done after 3 seasons. He hasn’t been particularly great but in almost any other situation he’s the Bears starting QB next year 

[UMFan83]

years and years of Packers players criticizing our QBs and we can’t so horsefeathers about it