Ohtani to Dodgers for an ungodly amount of money

[Jason Ross]

Just now, Stratos said:

He's ridiculously good, but will also get a ridiculously expensive contract.  We'll be paying for what he's worth just like everyone else in FA.

I don't expect much of the extra revenue he generates to go back into the Cubs, it'll go into Ricketts' pocket just like everything else.

What would an extra roster spot nab us? A late inning pinch runner or another loogy?  A platoon guy at some position?  

And there's zero guarantee his arm comes back 100%.

Fans want big stars but the only thing that matters is scoring more runs and preventing more runs, who that comes from is typically irrelevant.

 

I cannot disagree with this post harder. Who's the other roster spot? It could be anyone. The value of a roster spot is massive. Massive. It's like if Stroman and Bellinger was one spot last year. Who could the other spot be? A leverage RP making your BP that much deeper. Another hitter. Who knows? It doesn't have to be equal money. That's silly. And a platoon bat could be worth 1-1.5 wins. 

And yeah, it probably does go back to Ricketts. But it's also more likely the team is willing to pay for the LT with it because that goes back to Tom. 

TJS is no guarantee now, but it's pretty likely. TJS has come a long, long way. And it's not even been reported if it's a full TJS. There's speculation it wasn't a full tear, too. The end result, the TJS just isn't a very big deal right now.

[Stratos]

5 minutes ago, gocubs218 said:

snip snap snip snap

He's supposed to say nothing per Ohtani camp.

[ILMindState]

21 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

I assume the whole "no leak" requirement is overblown. If Ohtani knows where he wants to play, it would be silly to have that impacted by whether or not someone in that organization made an off hand comment.

No dude, it's all part of the plan.  Let all the other teams blow their cover and swoop right in silently.  

[imb]

jed got ghosted and doesn't want to admit it. its happened to all of us

[Rcal10]

57 minutes ago, 1908_Cubs said:

I'd love to know why they're out, then, if they are.

I  assumed it was because Ohtani told them they were out. I never considered the price going too high for the cubs or the Cubs making some sort of ridiculous 7 or 8 year offer when others were offering more years. And, I am saying this only “if they are out”. I don’t think it will be or was their choice. 

[WrigleyField 22]

4 minutes ago, imb said:

jed got ghosted and doesn't want to admit it. its happened to all of us

Hes gonna text back!

[Tryptamine]

19 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

Watch, after all this, we're going to find out 2 months from now that the Cubs's interest was nothing more than an inquiry phone call and they never even made an offer.

Maybe it won't take 2 months.

[JHBulls]

13 minutes ago, Bertz said:

 

Another nothing quote tbf. How can the Cubs not be informed they are out and there still be reports about them being out? Kind of jumbled tweet lol. 

[Stratos]

2 minutes ago, 1908_Cubs said:

I cannot disagree with this post harder. Who's the other roster spot? It could be anyone. The value of a roster spot is massive. Massive. It's like if Stroman and Bellinger was one spot last year. Who could the other spot be? A leverage RP making your BP that much deeper. Another hitter. Who knows? It doesn't have to be equal money. That's silly. And a platoon bat could be worth 1-1.5 wins. 

The 26th or 27th man is the worst and least valuable player on the team, typically a guy bouncing from Iowa and the Cubs.  There's already a limit on pitchers on the roster.

The spot has value but not  "massive value".  A 26th or 27th man having 1-1.5 wins is rare, he's the worst player on the team and can't get much playing time.  It's like having a 3rd catcher or pinch runner/ defensive replacement.

Even if it could be another pen slot, which it can't, that reliever is the worst on the team and isn't getting many IP or leverage.

[Jason Ross]

3 minutes ago, Stratos said:

The 26th or 27th man is the worst and least valuable player on the team, typically a guy bouncing from Iowa and the Cubs.  There's already a limit on pitchers on the roster.

The spot has value but not  "massive value".  A 26th or 27th man having 1-1.5 wins is rare, he's the worst player on the team and can't get much playing time.  It's like having a 3rd catcher or pinch runner/ defensive replacement.

Even if it could be another pen slot, which it can't, that reliever is the worst on the team and isn't getting many IP or leverage.

Why does it have to be a "26th man"? You're creating false limitations. It's a roster spot. What the Cubs do with that spot is up to them. It doesn't have to be a bum.

 

You do you, Stratos. I'm going to just leave if at "I couldn't disagree more"

[UMFan83]

25 minutes ago, gocubs218 said:

snip snap snip snap

Jed - "Ohtani?  I don't know nothing about any Ohtani.  What's an Ohtani?"

[UMFan83]

25 minutes ago, gocubs218 said:

snip snap snip snap

Jed - "Ohtani?  I don't know nothing about any Ohtani.  What's an Ohtani?"

[soccer10k]

1 hour ago, 17 Seconds said:

bob says the cubs bowed out because 500 was too much

This is a good PTR joke if you assume he actually meant $500 and not $500M.

[WhyCantWeWin]

2 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Jed - "Ohtani?  I don't know nothing about any Ohtani.  What's an Ohtani?"

You can say that again

[Thusly Boned]

One of the only things I'm reasonably confident about is that the near absolute dearth of anything of actual substance to report re: Ohtani is probably driving reporters/writers who make their living on being "in the know" crazy to the point where they're all throwing horsefeathers at the walls.

It'd be more amusing to me if having nothing with any veracity to read weren't driving me crazy as well.

Edited December 5, 2023 by XZero77

[UMFan83]

2 minutes ago, WhyCantWeWin said:

You can say that again

It was so funny I had to say it twice

[ILMindState]

Maybe Jed really was sick so they had to delay their meeting.  That's why the decision got pushed out a week later than the original thought.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If Roberts actually hosed them here I will never stop laughing at him even if they win the next 3 world series (he did not and they will not)
 

 

[UMFan83]

lol I didn't see this posted:

 

ok this is starting to get fun finally

[Rcal10]

23 minutes ago, username said:

The whole idea that Ohtani is eliminating teams and informing them that they're out one by one is hilarious to me.  Like, imagine he picks up the phone and goes "you ARE the weakest link... goodbye" and hangs up, one by one. 

Generally the agent calls the winning team to firm up specifics of the deal.  He has NOTHING to gain by narrowing the playing field.  

How about respect. Why is it so hard to believe Ohtani or his agent would call a team to let them know he hasn’t decided yet, but he did eliminate that team. Maybe he didn’t like the city, the media in that city, the weather. Whatever it is he wasn’t feeling it for that city. So why not tell them? All the teams after him have respected his wishes to keep it quiet. Why can’t he give them respect back and let them move on with their off season. I am pretty sure he knows he is holding teams up. He could even tell them he would appreciate them not reporting they are out if he was really worried about leverage. At this level not sure how much leverage he needs tbh. I just don’t think it is that ridiculous for him to let it be known to a team that he will not be going there. 

[Jason Ross]

Starting to get a tad bit hope back.

[WhyCantWeWin]

7 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

lol I didn't see this posted:

 

ok this is starting to get fun finally

Wonder why Jed is so angry about Bob saying they were out. Or was Bob mad at Jed

[Jason Ross]

1 minute ago, WhyCantWeWin said:

Wonder why Jed is so angry about Bob saying they were out. Or was Bob mad at Jed

Jed was mad at Bob. Could be that the Cubs weren't balking at the price which made them seem cheap (i.e see fan reaction). Could be the Cubs are still in...they've said everything that you'd say if you were not divulging information like Ohtani asked, for example. Still a long shot, I'm sure. But maybe their involvement being done has been overblown.

[David]

4 minutes ago, WhyCantWeWin said:

Wonder why Jed is so angry about Bob saying they were out. Or was Bob mad at Jed

Jed definitely doesn't seem to be a fan of Boob and probably thinks he's a moron like the rest of us.  The Score has a drop of one of his interviews where he sarcastically says something like, "Or you guys can have Bob Nightengale on and ask him."

[David]

7 minutes ago, 1908_Cubs said:

Jed was mad at Bob. Could be that the Cubs weren't balking at the price which made them seem cheap (i.e see fan reaction). Could be the Cubs are still in...they've said everything that you'd say if you were not divulging information like Ohtani asked, for example. Still a long shot, I'm sure. But maybe their involvement being done has been overblown.

The Score was half-jokingly (but kinda not) implying that this all came from Reinsdorf who is nothing if not petty towards the Cubs (and also probably Boob's only source).

 

Also, the thing about not meeting his price is in conflict with much of we've heard, most notably Sharma/Mooney saying they may not be outbid.  Those are guys who love pouring cold water on big rumors.

Edited December 5, 2023 by David