Ohtani to Dodgers for an ungodly amount of money

[ILMindState]

25 minutes ago, ToolDRT said:

Yeah, you’re underestimating this contract. Not only that, you’re underestimating its impact on team payroll. This is 50 mil of your off season spending right off the bat. Teams need to know if that contract is going to be on their books before they can spend accordingly around it. 
 

Also, I was not remotely calling him “indecisive” or “weird”. You might be referring to others with that statement, but to clarify I fully understand he can take his time here. It’s his decision. But if he’s truly prioritizing winning above all else it would behoove him to figure this out soon so the winning team can fill other holes. 

I assure you the Cubs and 3 other finalists have a plan in place if he doesn’t sign with them. This is why you hear rumors of the Cubs being involved with Glassnow and Yamamoto. They won’t get moved until Ohtani signs. That’s how this works with the top guy. That’s how it always works with the top guy. Teams and agents wait because it’s in their best interest. 
 

I didn’t mean to imply that you were specifically calling him weird and indecisive but there are certainly a lot of people that are. 

Edited December 3, 2023 by ILMindState

[Brian707]

This thread lol

[LBiittner]

So does Jed leave LA today to go to Nashville? And who do the Cubs have to stay behind to schmooze Ohtani entourage?

 

 

[ToolDRT]

1 minute ago, ILMindState said:

I assure you the Cubs and 3 other finalists have a plan in place if he doesn’t sign with them. This is why you hear rumors of the Cubs being involved with Glassnow and Yamamoto. They won’t get moved until Ohtani signs. That’s how this works with the top guy. That’s how it always works with the top guy. Teams and agents wait because it’s in their best interest. 

I don’t disagree with this. And again, I’m not saying Ohtani is being irrational either. It’s a huge decision. But we have guys that are posted with limited windows to sign. We have guys like Hoskins that are generally assumed to get a certain amount. None of which we can move in on right now because we either have 50 mil tied into one player…or we don’t. It’s a big difference and it leaves me extremely nervous that there’s such a huge variance in our spending. 

[ToolDRT]

9 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

This thread lol

This offseason! It’s so boring we’re debating nothing! 

[Backtobanks]

3 hours ago, 1908_Cubs said:

"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush". If you wait every offseason for the next year's star, you'll never have one. It's time for the Cubs to stop collecting a bunch of pretty good players. It's time for the Cubs to start acquiring legitimate stars. Not only is Ohtani a 2024 signing at DH, he represent a 2025 signing of a top-of-the-rotation SP when he returns from TJS. There's really no argument, to me, in not signing Ohtani. $500m is a lot of money. But Ohtani is both a $200m hitter and a $200m pitcher and he's only one roster spot and there's a significant revenue boost for whomever signs him. There's a reason he's getting these offers...he's legitimately worth it.

The $550 million could sign legitimate STARS, instead of one unicorn super star.  There are many paths to making the Cubs into perennial WS contenders with or without Ohtani and all of us better be prepared for a path without him if/when he picks another team.  There's no reason the Cubs shouldn't be contenders every year with their market size.

[ToolDRT]

1 minute ago, Backtobanks said:

The $550 million could sign legitimate STARS, instead of one unicorn super star.  There are many paths to making the Cubs into perennial WS contenders with or without Ohtani and all of us better be prepared for a path without him if/when he picks another team.  There's no reason the Cubs shouldn't be contenders every year with their market size.

The problem is the rumblings seem to indicate he’s the one player we’re willing to bust out a mega deal for. My fear is we miss him and attempt to bargain shop again to make sure we avoid the first tax threshold. 

[Bertz]

11 minutes ago, LBiittner said:

So does Jed leave LA today to go to Nashville? And who do the Cubs have to stay behind to schmooze Ohtani entourage?

 

 

The read I have is that whatever happened this weekend was the last bit of schmoozing.  From here on I'd imagine it's Shohei sleeping on it and his agent nudging teams to improve their offers a bit more before committing.

[ToolDRT]

2 minutes ago, Bertz said:

The read I have is that whatever happened this weekend was the last bit of schmoozing.  From here on I'd imagine it's Shohei sleeping on it and his agent nudging teams to improve their offers a bit more before committing.

It’s insanely impressive the way they’ve managed to keep almost everything secret. You’d think in the scenario you laid out we’d at least get confirmation on which teams were there. Nothing. Rumors of four teams with the implication that more could be involved. 
 

Brilliant job by all involved parties. Annoying from a fan perspective 🤣

[Jason Ross]

16 minutes ago, Backtobanks said:

The $550 million could sign legitimate STARS, instead of one unicorn super star.  There are many paths to making the Cubs into perennial WS contenders with or without Ohtani and all of us better be prepared for a path without him if/when he picks another team.  There's no reason the Cubs shouldn't be contenders every year with their market size.

I don't disagree with anything you suggest after the first sentence. The Chicago Cubs should be a perennial WS contender. They should spend money. But who are these other legitimate stars they're going to sign this year? There's Ohtani and then Yamamoto, and there's some belief that Yamamoto is more "all-star" quality than "superstar" quality (I'd be very interested in him regardless). If the hope is "sign Yamamoto now and then hope to sign Soto next year", why not just...sign Ohtani now? There' no guarantees we can sign Soto next year, no guarantees he'll hit free agency (as likely as it seems he should, there remains a non zero chance he resigns wherever he ends up). We're a finalist, by all reports for Ohtani. Let's ride this out.

Just sign Ohtani. He's two superstars in one. There's no reason the Cubs shouldn't be trying to sign him based on every other word you posted. The idea that the Cubs would be better off spreading it around, I just don't agree. Get the unicorn.

Obviously, if we miss on Ohtani and he wants to go elsewhere, then pivot. Go get Yamamoto. Go get Soto (either by trade or sign him next year). I'm not saying don't spend. I'm also saying...get Ohtani when you can. 

Edited December 3, 2023 by 1908_Cubs

[jersey cubs fan]

59 minutes ago, ToolDRT said:

This might be a 600 million dollar contract. If you’re comparing that to the highest contracts of last offseason I don’t know what else I could possibly say here. 
 

The highest contract the cubs have given is 184 million. This is easily over 500 and trending upwards. Signing Ohtani will -without question - alter what a team spends after that. I’m really not even sure why it’s a debate. Signing Ohtani might be the difference in trading for Glasnow vs targeting Yamamoto. That’s a pretty big difference, no?  

You can just say you don’t understand math 

[LBiittner]

13 minutes ago, ToolDRT said:

It’s insanely impressive the way they’ve managed to keep almost everything secret. You’d think in the scenario you laid out we’d at least get confirmation on which teams were there. Nothing. Rumors of four teams with the implication that more could be involved. 
 

Brilliant job by all involved parties. Annoying from a fan perspective 🤣

How does Jed answer the massive amount of Ohtani questions he's sure to be asked upon his arrival? 

Simply say NO COMMENT ten thousand times?   

 

[ToolDRT]

15 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

You can just say you don’t understand math 

I don’t understand the negativity from your part. We’re not debating math here. There’s inflation, sure, but the root cause remains we’re undeniably handcuffed here with our off-season plans until this plays out. 
 

You seem to be a very…simple man, but even you can’t argue that a 500-600 million dollar contact was signed last year. I don’t know, I’d think of maybe reading what I wrote properly and then working on improving your very limited vocabulary instead of turning to insults because you got confused and angry.  

Edited December 3, 2023 by ToolDRT

[ToolDRT]

5 minutes ago, LBiittner said:

How does Jed answer the massive amount of Ohtani questions he's sure to be asked upon his arrival? 

Simply say NO COMMENT ten thousand times?   

 

Hahah he basically had to do that on the radio interview he gave after signing Counsell last month. I can’t recall which broadcast it was, but they drilled him good and he gave the standard answers. 

[LBiittner]

2 minutes ago, ToolDRT said:

Hahah he basically had to do that on the radio interview he gave after signing Counsell last month. I can’t recall which broadcast it was, but they drilled him good and he gave the standard answers. 

If he answers he's betraying Ohtani hush hush request?

And i believe no where have the cubs said they're even officially uinvolved in ohtani negotiations? 

Perhaps he can answer rogers or Morisi  by blinking once for yes and twice for no?

[ToolDRT]

1 minute ago, LBiittner said:

If he answers he's betraying Ohtani hush hush request?

And i believe no where have the cubs said they're even officially uinvolved in ohtani negotiations? 

Perhaps he can answer rogers or Morisi  by blinking once for yes and twice for no?

Yeah, he’s probably gonna smile and talk about being a generational talent. It’s up to us to kidnap him and demand answers! 🤣

[chopsx9]

15 hours ago, David said:

With such a unique name like David, it makes sense that you guys would make that mistake.

I think it was less the name and more the robotic cadence to the post and idiosyncratic use of capitalization that lead to the assumption.

[ToolDRT]

2 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

Oooooh, I hadn’t heard. Noooo one ever mentions that teams have buuuudgets. My heart cries out for these teams forced, handcuffed, into not spending money by a FA drunk on power or whatever the story is 

I don’t know how to respond to you if you’re intentionally ignoring my posts. I never implied Ohtani was “drunk with power”. Never even implied he was wrong in putting thought into his decision. I said he’s unintentionally binding his team to his decision and that for his aspirations of winning to be cemented he’d be better to decide sooner. 
 

I’m not sure where the negativity is coming from with some of you this morning. If you’re bored with your Sunday that sucks. But don’t take it out on me. Having said that I’m responding politely to you this last time. From here on out I will utilize your comprehension skills and start picking one portion of your post to enhance my agenda. Ignoring the rest so I can make my point seem reasonable. 

[ToolDRT]

 

[ToolDRT]

That above article mentioned the Cubs, Angels, Dodgers, Jays and Giants, with a possible 6th mystery team (gotta love the mystery team!). Who does everyone think team 6 could potentially be? 

[UMFan83]

Multiple $500m offers is crazy 

[Tryptamine]

Just now, ToolDRT said:

That above article mentioned the Cubs, Angels, Dodgers, Jays and Giants, with a possible 6th mystery team (gotta love the mystery team!). Who does everyone think team 6 could potentially be? 

If anyone wants to trust a metsrefugee insider, supposedly the Mets told Ohtani's camp to bring them their best received offer after these meetings and they'd top it. I have severe doubts, but with pockets as deep as their's, it's not impossible.

[Irrelevant Dude]

2 minutes ago, ToolDRT said:

Who does everyone think team 6 could potentially be? 

Oakland.  If we're going to lose out on Ohtani, let's bring on the chaos of him signing with a lame duck franchise that doesn't even know where they are going to play their home games. We all know they have plenty room under the tax threshold!

[Irrelevant Dude]

4 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

If anyone wants to trust a metsrefugee insider, supposedly the Mets told Ohtani's camp to bring them their best received offer after these meetings and they'd top it.

I don't think negotiations work like that.

[Tryptamine]

10 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

I don't think negotiations work like that.

Traditionally I'd agree, but when you're dealing with an owner who paid 100M to send Scherzer+Verlander to other teams last year, who knows what's going on in their head.