Chicago Bears Offseason Thread (the tank must payoff)

[WrigleyField 22]

When Mayfield was released I thought he’d be a fun backup option for next year. Now he’s winning games with the Rams he might be their starter.

He's either gonna be their starter or he'll flip into a comp pick for them.

 

Whethet hes thier starter or not is probably totally dependent on Staffords health.

[David]

Rams' win last night was big now, if only Denver could find another win, I think the Bears would lock up the 2nd pick. If they Bears and Broncos both end up at 3-14 how do the Broncos end up with the 2nd pick? Is it because they played an easier schedule and are therefore, the worst team?

 

Should the Bears end up at 2, I'd really like to see them hold on to it and take Anderson. The best player in the draft, the kind of transformative player the Bears need on defense. I want the Bears to get away from the whole defense, defense and run the ball nonsense but, I don't think you can pass on a talent like Anderson. Besides they'll still be able to address OL and WR with their remaining day 1 and 2 picks.

 

I am firmly in team trade down just because I think having more spins at the wheel is your best chance at some semblance of certainty when acquiring talent, but if I were drafting there and he's available (and were taking defense), I'd rather have Carter. Just seems interior guys like that are harder to find than good edge guys and would make a huge impact on this defense. Nothing like a guy who can wreck shop and generate pressure from the interior.

 

Fully willing to admit that I don't follow college whatsoever, though, so all I know is what I've seen on Twitter and draft scouting reports.

[raw]

Rams' win last night was big now, if only Denver could find another win, I think the Bears would lock up the 2nd pick. If they Bears and Broncos both end up at 3-14 how do the Broncos end up with the 2nd pick? Is it because they played an easier schedule and are therefore, the worst team?

 

Should the Bears end up at 2, I'd really like to see them hold on to it and take Anderson. The best player in the draft, the kind of transformative player the Bears need on defense. I want the Bears to get away from the whole defense, defense and run the ball nonsense but, I don't think you can pass on a talent like Anderson. Besides they'll still be able to address OL and WR with their remaining day 1 and 2 picks.

 

I am firmly in team trade down just because I think having more spins at the wheel is your best chance at some semblance of certainty when acquiring talent, but if I were drafting there and he's available (and were taking defense), I'd rather have Carter. Just seems interior guys like that are harder to find than good edge guys and would make a huge impact on this defense. Nothing like a guy who can wreck shop and generate pressure from the interior.

 

Fully willing to admit that I don't follow college whatsoever, though, so all I know is what I've seen on Twitter and draft scouting reports.

 

I agree with every word of the first paragraph. It's a toss up on who's the better prospect, though I do think Carter is more unique because like you said, there are more impact edge guys out there than impact DTs. I think Bears' fans attachment to Anderson is in part due to the fact that I think it's a pretty safe assumption that the Bears will add a DT in free agency. They tried to pay big money for Ogunjobi last year, when they had no money. Now they have a ton of cap and a loaded DT class.

[WrigleyField 22]

Rams' win last night was big now, if only Denver could find another win, I think the Bears would lock up the 2nd pick. If they Bears and Broncos both end up at 3-14 how do the Broncos end up with the 2nd pick? Is it because they played an easier schedule and are therefore, the worst team?

 

Should the Bears end up at 2, I'd really like to see them hold on to it and take Anderson. The best player in the draft, the kind of transformative player the Bears need on defense. I want the Bears to get away from the whole defense, defense and run the ball nonsense but, I don't think you can pass on a talent like Anderson. Besides they'll still be able to address OL and WR with their remaining day 1 and 2 picks.

 

I am firmly in team trade down just because I think having more spins at the wheel is your best chance at some semblance of certainty when acquiring talent, but if I were drafting there and he's available (and were taking defense), I'd rather have Carter. Just seems interior guys like that are harder to find than good edge guys and would make a huge impact on this defense. Nothing like a guy who can wreck shop and generate pressure from the interior.

 

Fully willing to admit that I don't follow college whatsoever, though, so all I know is what I've seen on Twitter and draft scouting reports.

 

I agree with every word of the first paragraph. It's a toss up on who's the better prospect, though I do think Carter is more unique because like you said, there are more impact edge guys out there than impact DTs. I think Bears' fans attachment to Anderson is in part due to the fact that I think it's a pretty safe assumption that the Bears will add a DT in free agency. They tried to pay big money for Ogunjobi last year, when they had no money. Now they have a ton of cap and a loaded DT class.

Well the good news is that if they finish at number 2 they can actually craft a FA strategy over which guy they like more between Carter or Anderson, if that's the route they're leaning.

 

Although Poles may decide to keep his options open and plan FA like he'll be picking later in case he gets that trade down haul. In that case they'd look to definitely add both DT and DE in FA anyways.

 

I guess the DT is more scarce since you have pretty distinct roles between 3T and NT. You could say that the DE do have distinct strong side/ weak side roles, and some might say Anderson is really a weak side DE and not a strong side DE. But it's more often to have DE who can do both than a DT who does both. Situational football comes into play too though. In pass rush downs guys may shift down to spots they wouldn't on nuetral downs.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Rams' win last night was big now, if only Denver could find another win, I think the Bears would lock up the 2nd pick. If they Bears and Broncos both end up at 3-14 how do the Broncos end up with the 2nd pick? Is it because they played an easier schedule and are therefore, the worst team?

 

Should the Bears end up at 2, I'd really like to see them hold on to it and take Anderson. The best player in the draft, the kind of transformative player the Bears need on defense. I want the Bears to get away from the whole defense, defense and run the ball nonsense but, I don't think you can pass on a talent like Anderson. Besides they'll still be able to address OL and WR with their remaining day 1 and 2 picks.

 

I am firmly in team trade down just because I think having more spins at the wheel is your best chance at some semblance of certainty when acquiring talent, but if I were drafting there and he's available (and were taking defense), I'd rather have Carter. Just seems interior guys like that are harder to find than good edge guys and would make a huge impact on this defense. Nothing like a guy who can wreck shop and generate pressure from the interior.

 

Fully willing to admit that I don't follow college whatsoever, though, so all I know is what I've seen on Twitter and draft scouting reports.

 

I agree with every word of the first paragraph. It's a toss up on who's the better prospect, though I do think Carter is more unique because like you said, there are more impact edge guys out there than impact DTs. I think Bears' fans attachment to Anderson is in part due to the fact that I think it's a pretty safe assumption that the Bears will add a DT in free agency. They tried to pay big money for Ogunjobi last year, when they had no money. Now they have a ton of cap and a loaded DT class.

 

yes, and in fact we can blame you for bringing up Payne. Now if we dont sign him I'll be disappointed.

 

thanks raw thanks a lot

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Even I wouldn't 'hate it if they if they took Carter. Dude is drawing Aaron Donald comps.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Rams' win last night was big now, if only Denver could find another win, I think the Bears would lock up the 2nd pick. If they Bears and Broncos both end up at 3-14 how do the Broncos end up with the 2nd pick? Is it because they played an easier schedule and are therefore, the worst team?

 

Should the Bears end up at 2, I'd really like to see them hold on to it and take Anderson. The best player in the draft, the kind of transformative player the Bears need on defense. I want the Bears to get away from the whole defense, defense and run the ball nonsense but, I don't think you can pass on a talent like Anderson. Besides they'll still be able to address OL and WR with their remaining day 1 and 2 picks.

 

I am firmly in team trade down just because I think having more spins at the wheel is your best chance at some semblance of certainty when acquiring talent, but if I were drafting there and he's available (and were taking defense), I'd rather have Carter. Just seems interior guys like that are harder to find than good edge guys and would make a huge impact on this defense. Nothing like a guy who can wreck shop and generate pressure from the interior.

 

Fully willing to admit that I don't follow college whatsoever, though, so all I know is what I've seen on Twitter and draft scouting reports.

 

 

I wouldn't say no to or be disappointed with Carter, but if Anderson can be a Micah Parsons I feel like he's still the better bet to transform the D

[BigbadB]

Alyssa Barbieri posted the Bears opponents for next year.

 

Atlanta- Home

Carolina- Home

Denver- Home

Detroit- Twice

GB- Twice

Kansas City- Away

Las Vegas- Home

LA Chargers- Away

Minn- Twice

New Orleans- Away

Tampa Bay- Away

NFC East- Same place finisher Away

NFC West- Same place finisher Home

AFC North- Same place finisher Away

 

ETA: Home and Away for the 3 unknown teams

[minnesotacubsfan]

Alyssa Barbieri posted the Bears opponents for next year.

 

Atlanta- Home

Carolina- Home

Denver- Home

Detroit- Twice

GB- Twice

Kansas City- Away

Las Vegas- Home

LA Chargers- Away

Minn- Twice

New Orleans- Away

Tampa Bay- Away

NFC East- Same place finisher

NFC West- Same place finisher

AFC North- Same place finisher

 

seems about as middle of the road as you can get, easy teams at home and hard teams away

[BigbadB]

The ideal scenario, IMO, would be to have the 2nd pick and trade it back only a few places to a QB desperate team so that you can pick up at least a 2nd round pick and still get one of Carter or Anderson.

[WrigleyField 22]

So those TBD ones are most likely

 

One of:

Commanders/Giants

Cardinals/Rams

Steelers/Browns

[Hairyducked Idiot]

How certain are we that the QBs go before the DLs outside of the Bears pick? Because it seems like the DL are the types you can't get every year, but the QBs aren't anything special as far as top-of-the-draft goes.

[minnesotacubsfan]

How certain are we that the QBs go before the DLs outside of the Bears pick? Because it seems like the DL are the types you can't get every year, but the QBs aren't anything special as far as top-of-the-draft goes.

 

we arent, that's why some of us really want Anderson/Carter if we get pick #2. They very well may not drop, in fact lovie at #1 may likely end up taking one of Anderson/Carter I believe

[raw]

How certain are we that the QBs go before the DLs outside of the Bears pick? Because it seems like the DL are the types you can't get every year, but the QBs aren't anything special as far as top-of-the-draft goes.

 

we arent, that's why some of us really want Anderson/Carter if we get pick #2. They very well may not drop, in fact lovie at #1 may likely end up taking one of Anderson/Carter I believe

 

Lovie may not even have a job next year. They fired their coach last year that had a similar 1-win roster that Lovie has this year, but led them to 4 wins. Plus, the Texans are notoriously racist and only hired Lovie because they would have looked bad hiring a white guy after firing their previous black coach in 1 year after he overachieved. And it was the same time as the Brian Flores stuff was going on, so I'm convinced they hired Lovie (which was out of nowhere) because they were supposedly down to 2 candidates (Flores and a white guy, can't remember which one) and didn't want to pick the white one while Flores was suing the league for being racist.

 

It's also possible the Texans fall in love with Anderson at 1 and are willing to use their other 1st round pick (from the Browns) to trade up for whichever QB falls past 2-3. If Kiper is right and some teams like Levis as QB1, then they could potentially move back for one of the guys that most consider the top 2 QBs.

[minnesotacubsfan]

How certain are we that the QBs go before the DLs outside of the Bears pick? Because it seems like the DL are the types you can't get every year, but the QBs aren't anything special as far as top-of-the-draft goes.

 

we arent, that's why some of us really want Anderson/Carter if we get pick #2. They very well may not drop, in fact lovie at #1 may likely end up taking one of Anderson/Carter I believe

 

Lovie may not even have a job next year. They fired their coach last year that had a similar 1-win roster that Lovie has this year, but led them to 4 wins. Plus, the Texans are notoriously racist and only hired Lovie because they would have looked bad hiring a white guy after firing their previous black coach in 1 year after he overachieved. And it was the same time as the Brian Flores stuff was going on, so I'm convinced they hired Lovie (which was out of nowhere) because they were supposedly down to 2 candidates (Flores and a white guy, can't remember which one) and didn't want to pick the white one while Flores was suing the league for being racist.

 

It's also possible the Texans fall in love with Anderson at 1 and are willing to use their other 1st round pick (from the Browns) to trade up for whichever QB falls past 2-3. If Kiper is right and some teams like Levis as QB1, then they could potentially move back for one of the guys that most consider the top 2 QBs.

 

that last paragraph has me entirely confused, they love Anderson but would trade back for the possibility of 2-3 qb's? Do they have 2 1st round picks?

 

noted on the Texans being racists. I mean, when has that not been true for all Texans (save old style)

 

ETA: I would also be very sad if Lovie didnt get another year...or 8

[raw]

 

we arent, that's why some of us really want Anderson/Carter if we get pick #2. They very well may not drop, in fact lovie at #1 may likely end up taking one of Anderson/Carter I believe

 

Lovie may not even have a job next year. They fired their coach last year that had a similar 1-win roster that Lovie has this year, but led them to 4 wins. Plus, the Texans are notoriously racist and only hired Lovie because they would have looked bad hiring a white guy after firing their previous black coach in 1 year after he overachieved. And it was the same time as the Brian Flores stuff was going on, so I'm convinced they hired Lovie (which was out of nowhere) because they were supposedly down to 2 candidates (Flores and a white guy, can't remember which one) and didn't want to pick the white one while Flores was suing the league for being racist.

 

It's also possible the Texans fall in love with Anderson at 1 and are willing to use their other 1st round pick (from the Browns) to trade up for whichever QB falls past 2-3. If Kiper is right and some teams like Levis as QB1, then they could potentially move back for one of the guys that most consider the top 2 QBs.

 

that last paragraph has me entirely confused, they love Anderson but would trade back for the possibility of 2-3 qb's? Do they have 2 1st round picks?

 

noted on the Texans being racists. I mean, when has that not been true for all Texans (save old style)

 

ETA: I would also be very sad if Lovie didnt get another year...or 8

 

 

Yeah, I was mostly rambling. But my thinking is they feel Anderson is unequivocally the best player in the draft. They do have 2 1sts (Browns pick for Watson). If they take a QB 1, they won't get Anderson. If they take Anderson 1, they may be able to get 1 of the top 3 QBs by trading back up. And a trade up for a QB is much more justifiable than a trade up for a DE.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Lovie may not even have a job next year. They fired their coach last year that had a similar 1-win roster that Lovie has this year, but led them to 4 wins. Plus, the Texans are notoriously racist and only hired Lovie because they would have looked bad hiring a white guy after firing their previous black coach in 1 year after he overachieved. And it was the same time as the Brian Flores stuff was going on, so I'm convinced they hired Lovie (which was out of nowhere) because they were supposedly down to 2 candidates (Flores and a white guy, can't remember which one) and didn't want to pick the white one while Flores was suing the league for being racist.

 

It's also possible the Texans fall in love with Anderson at 1 and are willing to use their other 1st round pick (from the Browns) to trade up for whichever QB falls past 2-3. If Kiper is right and some teams like Levis as QB1, then they could potentially move back for one of the guys that most consider the top 2 QBs.

 

that last paragraph has me entirely confused, they love Anderson but would trade back for the possibility of 2-3 qb's? Do they have 2 1st round picks?

 

noted on the Texans being racists. I mean, when has that not been true for all Texans (save old style)

 

ETA: I would also be very sad if Lovie didnt get another year...or 8

 

 

Yeah, I was mostly rambling. But my thinking is they feel Anderson is unequivocally the best player in the draft. They do have 2 1sts (Browns pick for Watson). If they take a QB 1, they won't get Anderson. If they take Anderson 1, they may be able to get 1 of the top 3 QBs by trading back up. And a trade up for a QB is much more justifiable than a trade up for a DE.

Ah, I get it

[minnesotacubsfan]

[Derwood]

Bears currently tied with Denver for the #2 overall pick in the draft.

 

Houston seems uncatchable at #1

[UMFan83]

Bears currently tied with Denver for the #2 overall pick in the draft.

 

Houston seems uncatchable at #1

 

Remaining schedules

 

Houston - KC, @TEN, JAX, @ IND

Denver - ARI, @LAR, @KC, LAC

Chicago - PHI, BUF, @DET, MIN

 

Houston probably isn't winning 2 more games, especially because it looks like they are gunning for number 1. Denver has a tough schedule. Arizona is winnable but they probably won't have Russ (is that a good or a bad thing?). Bears will probably lose out. Seem destined for the 3rd pick but crazier things have happened. Seems pretty annoying that the Bears have played the hardest SOS in the NFL and also have the hardest remaining SOS in the NFL. Even though it helps us lose, it continues to kill our tiebreaker

[Bobson Dugnutt]

I still think Denver can stumble into a win one of these next two weeks, but certainly not counting on it. They’re just so bad.

 

Does the #3 pick make trading down unlikely? Two QB draft with two QB needy teams ahead of them (assuming Seattle isn’t going to run it back with Geno). Still a great spot to be in, with the opportunity to have the first non-QB selection of the draft.

[WrigleyField 22]

I still think Denver can stumble into a win one of these next two weeks, but certainly not counting on it. They’re just so bad.

 

Does the #3 pick make trading down unlikely? Two QB draft with two QB needy teams ahead of them (assuming Seattle isn’t going to run it back with Geno). Still a great spot to be in, with the opportunity to have the first non-QB selection of the draft.

You're right it's a great spot to be in.

 

If Poles isn't sold on Anderson/Carter I think he'll still be able to trade down if he's so inclined, but it wont be "3 first rounders robbery" type of trade down if it's not a team trading up for a QB.

 

That said, that's exactly the trade that SF did up to 3 to get the third QB in the 2021 draft. So we can hold out hope.

 

Plus, I'm not totally convinced Carroll would actually go QB at 2, though he could certaintly look to trade down as well then.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Pete Carroll would likely just resign Smith I think. One of the reasons Russ left was that they disagreed on whether they should throw more or run more. Since Seattle already has 2 1sts, I could see them drafting Anderson.

 

The Bears could absolutely get a haul because of it @ #3

[raw]

Bears currently tied with Denver for the #2 overall pick in the draft.

 

Houston seems uncatchable at #1

 

Remaining schedules

 

Houston - KC, @TEN, JAX, @ IND

Denver - ARI, @LAR, @KC, LAC

Chicago - PHI, BUF, @DET, MIN

 

Houston probably isn't winning 2 more games, especially because it looks like they are gunning for number 1. Denver has a tough schedule. Arizona is winnable but they probably won't have Russ (is that a good or a bad thing?). Bears will probably lose out. Seem destined for the 3rd pick but crazier things have happened. Seems pretty annoying that the Bears have played the hardest SOS in the NFL and also have the hardest remaining SOS in the NFL. Even though it helps us lose, it continues to kill our tiebreaker

 

I think everyone is discounting the fact that the Bears could win a game. Probably not happening against the Eagles, but Fields has been stacking good games. Granted, he's had a week each in between his last 2 games, but I still contend that it's tough to lose every single time when your QB is the best player on the field for either team. Won't have that problem against the Eagles, but Josh Allen hasn't been great recently and they've struggled to score. Detroit has struggled to stop people and the Bears should have beaten them before. Then there's the even point differential Vikings, who may or may not care about the game.

 

Houston almost beat the Cowboys and probably should have. The Jags are rolling a bit. Denver put up their best offensive game of the season. Bad teams have good showings late all the time. I still think anything can happen. And I can see the Bears pulling out 2 wins in these last 4 games.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Bears dropping out of the top 3 is the most likely scenario. It's just the least fun to talk about