Chicago Bears Offseason Thread (the tank must payoff)

[David]

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

[UMFan83]

[WrigleyField 22]

Nearly every major Poles addition is a 90th percentile RAS guy. He has a type.

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He essentially flipped a very good off ball LB for a pretty good WR, and even paid a slight premium on it, BUT still ended up +1 on the pick ledger despite the premium.

 

I will never agree with Poles' sit on hands 2022 FA approach, but I'm a lot more confident he "gets it".

[gflore34]

Really does help the receivers' room, 2023 WR FA class is weak, with this acquisition Poles can nab Anderson, Carter or Murphy in the first, sign another DL. Then go WR, OL in after the first round or, something along these lines.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I don't *love* the idea of trading picks for players pretty much ever, but I think in this case it had to be done. The WR FA class sucks and it was criminal to go with this WR group for half a season, let alone two.

 

Weakening the defense is just a bonus.

[David]

 

Vildor alert lol

[WrigleyField 22]

I don't *love* the idea of trading picks for players pretty much ever, but I think in this case it had to be done. The WR FA class sucks and it was criminal to go with this WR group for half a season, let alone two.

 

Weakening the defense is just a bonus.

He ended up +1 on draft picks after both swaps. Good arbitrage, even though the net pick value ends up being like a mid 4th to low 3rd when factoring in the 2nd swap.

 

And he got an extra 17 cheap games out of the player swap, independent of how you see the value between the two.

[David]

I don't *love* the idea of trading picks for players pretty much ever, but I think in this case it had to be done. The WR FA class sucks and it was criminal to go with this WR group for half a season, let alone two.

 

Weakening the defense is just a bonus.

He ended up +1 on draft picks after both swaps. Good arbitrage, even though the net pick value ends up being like a mid 4th to low 3rd when factoring in the 2nd swap.

 

And he got an extra 17 cheap games out of the player swap, independent of how you see the value between the two.

 

i definitely think there is value to claypool's (hopefully) 9 games this year and the impact it can have on fields developing as a player as well as developing a rapport with him.

[raw]

I posted my thoughts on the Claypool trade in the Week 8 gamethread. But it's also pretty telling that they didn't trade Montgomery. Doesn't necessarily mean they are going to try to keep him into next year, but they clearly didn't want to give up any asset on Justin Fields' side of the field. The optics side of these deals is beautiful.

[UMFan83]

I don't *love* the idea of trading picks for players pretty much ever, but I think in this case it had to be done. The WR FA class sucks and it was criminal to go with this WR group for half a season, let alone two.

 

Weakening the defense is just a bonus.

He ended up +1 on draft picks after both swaps. Good arbitrage, even though the net pick value ends up being like a mid 4th to low 3rd when factoring in the 2nd swap.

 

And he got an extra 17 cheap games out of the player swap, independent of how you see the value between the two.

 

We basically gave away 510 "points" of capital plus 1/2 season of Roquan and got back 348.2 plus 1.5 seasons of Claypool, so basically like losing a mid-3rd. This is based on the Bears finishing in the 8th slot and Ravens in the 27th slot. If its more like the 20th slot then we're looking at 510 vs. 418.2 and a loss of an early 4th round pick in terms of value.

 

So basically just affirming what you've said

[WrigleyField 22]

Per PFF, Pittsburgh has just totally messed with his usage this year. His first two years he was primarily an outside guy, getting most of his targets in the deep and intermediate depth.

 

In 2022 he's being used mostly as a slot, getting over half his targets in the short game.

 

Would this price have been any issue in the offseason when he was off two 59/860+ campaigns?

 

I think the Bears can run 11 personnel with 3 starting caliber WR now. Hope Fields trusts Claypool immediately.

Edited November 1, 2022 by WrigleyField 22

[jersey cubs fan]

. Hope Fields trusts Claypool immediately.

The upside of not having blockers or other receivers is if Fields values his life he pretty much has to trust him.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

I think the Bears can run 11 personnel with 3 starting caliber WR now. .

 

Who are you considering the 3rd?

[UMFan83]

Poles is talking...a few things I've seen

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 1, 2022 by UMFan83

[raw]

Per PFF, Pittsburgh has just totally messed with his usage this year. His first two years he was primarily an outside guy, getting most of his targets in the deep and intermediate depth.

 

In 2022 he's being used mostly as a slot, getting over half his targets in the short game.

 

Would this price have been any issue in the offseason when he was off two 59/860+ campaigns?

 

I think the Bears can run 11 personnel with 3 starting caliber WR now. Hope Fields trusts Claypool immediately.

 

They can't get the ball down the field. They have Bears level OL talent and their QBs have noodle arms. They were doing that out of necessity to get him the ball. From a 14.5 ypc career guy to about 9 this year. I don't see any reason he can't be that 14ypc guy again right away.

[WrigleyField 22]

I think the Bears can run 11 personnel with 3 starting caliber WR now. .

 

Who are you considering the 3rd?

Harry. I'm on the bandwagon already, yes.

 

Don't even hate St. Brown as the 4th even. Can Velus earn the 5th WR gadget role over Pettis? Would help if he could be trusted to field punts. Does Pringle have a role when he gets healthy?

[WrigleyField 22]

Per PFF, Pittsburgh has just totally messed with his usage this year. His first two years he was primarily an outside guy, getting most of his targets in the deep and intermediate depth.

 

In 2022 he's being used mostly as a slot, getting over half his targets in the short game.

 

Would this price have been any issue in the offseason when he was off two 59/860+ campaigns?

 

I think the Bears can run 11 personnel with 3 starting caliber WR now. Hope Fields trusts Claypool immediately.

 

They can't get the ball down the field. They have Bears level OL talent and their QBs have noodle arms. They were doing that out of necessity to get him the ball. From a 14.5 ypc career guy to about 9 this year. I don't see any reason he can't be that 14ypc guy again right away.

There's no way Trubisky and Pickett are more noodle armed then end of career Ben right?

[raw]

I think the Bears can run 11 personnel with 3 starting caliber WR now. .

 

Who are you considering the 3rd?

Harry. I'm on the bandwagon already, yes.

 

Don't even hate St. Brown as the 4th even. Can Velus earn the 5th WR gadget role over Pettis? Would help if he could be trusted to field punts. Does Pringle have a role when he gets healthy?

 

Lot of bodies. Mooney is gonna play. Claypool is gonna play. They kind of need to see what they have in Velus and Harry. But St. Brown has kind of earned a right to play. Pettis has the highest YPC on the team and lead in TD receptions. Pringle was productive last year for KC and they had hopes for him, but probably no reason to give him a ton of reps at this point, he has 0 chance of being back in 2023.

[raw]

Per PFF, Pittsburgh has just totally messed with his usage this year. His first two years he was primarily an outside guy, getting most of his targets in the deep and intermediate depth.

 

In 2022 he's being used mostly as a slot, getting over half his targets in the short game.

 

Would this price have been any issue in the offseason when he was off two 59/860+ campaigns?

 

I think the Bears can run 11 personnel with 3 starting caliber WR now. Hope Fields trusts Claypool immediately.

 

They can't get the ball down the field. They have Bears level OL talent and their QBs have noodle arms. They were doing that out of necessity to get him the ball. From a 14.5 ypc career guy to about 9 this year. I don't see any reason he can't be that 14ypc guy again right away.

There's no way Trubisky and Pickett are more noodle armed then end of career Ben right?

 

No, probably not. But Ben had a better OL too. I think it's the combination of the two that's the issue now.

[UMFan83]

Per PFF, Pittsburgh has just totally messed with his usage this year. His first two years he was primarily an outside guy, getting most of his targets in the deep and intermediate depth.

 

In 2022 he's being used mostly as a slot, getting over half his targets in the short game.

 

Would this price have been any issue in the offseason when he was off two 59/860+ campaigns?

 

I think the Bears can run 11 personnel with 3 starting caliber WR now. Hope Fields trusts Claypool immediately.

 

They can't get the ball down the field. They have Bears level OL talent and their QBs have noodle arms. They were doing that out of necessity to get him the ball. From a 14.5 ypc career guy to about 9 this year. I don't see any reason he can't be that 14ypc guy again right away.

There's no way Trubisky and Pickett are more noodle armed then end of career Ben right?

 

Kind of what I was thinking. Not sure about Pickett's arm but Mitch has above average arm strength. Not as strong as Fields but he could get it down the field.

[UMFan83]

 

lol

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Who are you considering the 3rd?

Harry. I'm on the bandwagon already, yes.

 

Don't even hate St. Brown as the 4th even. Can Velus earn the 5th WR gadget role over Pettis? Would help if he could be trusted to field punts. Does Pringle have a role when he gets healthy?

 

Lot of bodies. Mooney is gonna play. Claypool is gonna play. They kind of need to see what they have in Velus and Harry. But St. Brown has kind of earned a right to play. Pettis has the highest YPC on the team and lead in TD receptions. Pringle was productive last year for KC and they had hopes for him, but probably no reason to give him a ton of reps at this point, he has 0 chance of being back in 2023.

If the NE and DAL games are an indication, Harry has passed St Brown already. Probably still 12-18 snaps for him, but not much more.

 

Man, I was never a fan of Pringle signing. I know you can't predixt injuries, but what a waste.

[raw]

Harry. I'm on the bandwagon already, yes.

 

Don't even hate St. Brown as the 4th even. Can Velus earn the 5th WR gadget role over Pettis? Would help if he could be trusted to field punts. Does Pringle have a role when he gets healthy?

 

Lot of bodies. Mooney is gonna play. Claypool is gonna play. They kind of need to see what they have in Velus and Harry. But St. Brown has kind of earned a right to play. Pettis has the highest YPC on the team and lead in TD receptions. Pringle was productive last year for KC and they had hopes for him, but probably no reason to give him a ton of reps at this point, he has 0 chance of being back in 2023.

If the NE and DAL games are an indication, Harry has passed St Brown already. Probably still 12-18 snaps for him, but not much more.

 

Man, I was never a fan of Pringle signing. I know you can't predixt injuries, but what a waste.

 

It wound up costing the Bears a 3rd or 4th round comp too. I was fine with the signing. The lack of OL help is and was the reason to be upset this offseason.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Looking forward to the off-season, who are the OL FA to keep an eye on? I’m assuming the focus in free agency is going to be on both sides of the line.