Bears Week 7 @ Patriots, Monday Night Football 10/24

[Brian707]

Bears cover but lose 17-13

[Tryptamine]

Bears cover but lose 17-13

 

I'd consider that a success. I think it's more like 24-7.

[minnesotacubsfan]

40-12

[champaignchris]

I think this will the first of what will be several ass-whuppin’s in a row.

 

I think 5-12 is an optimistic season record.

[WrigleyField 22]

40-12

Would be a scorigami. Something to root for.

[raw]

 

Brown (KC), Conklin (CLE), and Jenkins (GB) all make sense as far as possible o-line upgrades. Payne (DT) from Washington could also make sense

 

Everyone loves Brown, but my issues with him are:

A) he's not that good

B) Poles mentioned wanting athletic linemen. He is perhaps the most unathletic lineman there has ever been (based on combine numbers).

C) he's looking to be among the highest paid LTs in the league. He turned down a deal that would put him in the top 5 LTs and top 3 RTs. He's not a LT to me and he's not one of the 3 best on the right side either. Not that players get paid based on that, but I don't want Brown if there are cheaper options that fit better (you named 2 much better ones).

 

Brown would still be better then every other option we have.

 

side note, if Bresee is there when the Bears draft do we take him? I think I would if we could get some OL help in FA, and there was a good amount of WR talent available in the 2nd this year. I dont know how the draft looks for WR's.

 

Not really debating how good Brown is. He's not really a fit, if you listen to Poles. And I'd rather pay Jenkins whatever he wants vs. what I already know what Brown wants because he already turned down a deal.

 

I am also not a big fan of Bresee, especially not as high as the Bears will be picking. He's not a top 5 talent, IMO. If picking 6-10, I'm taking WR/OL over him unless someone else is there I don't expect. 10-16, I think is prime WR territory so I'd almost certainly go WR over him as well, whether I have a WR rated higher or not. I worry about his quickness, he also tore his ACL so weary about that. And he's also not a stud run defender like Jordan Jenkins. I'd probably not take him until the 20s, even if I was dead set on DT. I don't see this top 10 prospect that most have him ranked as.

[UMFan83]

I was reading today about how there should be a lot of QB needy teams out there this year. If the Bears secure a top 5 pick and Fields shows enough to at least bring him back next year, would you consider trading down? I would say trading down to trade down in a bad idea, but when teams get desperate for QBs they tend to give up a ton.

 

Examples:

 

-The 49ers traded 3 first round picks and a 3rd to move up from 12th to 3rd and draft Trey Lance

-The Jets traded 1 first round pick and 3 second round picks to move up from 6th to 3rd and draft Sam Darnold (lol)

-The Eagles traded 2 first round picks, 1 second and 1 third to move up from 8th to 2nd and draft Carson Wentz (double lol)

[raw]

I could see forgoing Brown and just rebuilding the entire interior outside of possibly Jenkins (assuming they don't see any future outside for him).

 

They could possibly be in a position to draft a tackle high, or just let Jones ans Borom develop and hope an elite interior can carry them even if they're merely average.

 

I think I gave my thoughts on this.

 

Jones- handpicked by GM, "won" starting LT job as a 5th round rookie. Theoretically, should improve as the year goes on. Don't see any chance he's benched this year if healthy. And don't see any chance he's benched next year if he keeps showing promise the rest of this year.

 

Borom- has actually been better than Jones so far, but is upgradeable. Upside similar to Jones but he was picked 1 year earlier and NOT by this regime.

 

Jenkins- is the key. They seem to hate or be trying to motivate him. He's been the best OL at RG. Wonder if he should have ever been moved off of RT. He's been fine there whenever he's played outside of maybe his 1st game after back surgery.

 

That's why I like signing a guy like Elgton Jenkins. He's played LT, LG, RG, RT for the Packers, I'm pretty sure. Add him, add an elite guard prospect or FA and let Jones, Borom and Jenkins compete for 2 spots.

 

LT- E Jenkins/Jones

LG- Draft pick/FA

C- Patrick (don't think he's cut, think they justify this by saying, "oh this is what we brought him here to play but his hand changed plans!")

RG- E Jenkins/T Jenkins

RT- Borom/T Jenkins/ E Jenkins/ Jones

 

Jones wins LT, Elgton to RT where he's been most recently in GB. Teven stays at RG. Jones doesn't cut it, Elgton to LT, competition for RT. Teven proves himself enough to go back to his natural RT position, Elgton is an elite guard. Borom likely is swing tackle. Have those drafted guys as backups.

[raw]

I was reading today about how there should be a lot of QB needy teams out there this year. If the Bears secure a top 5 pick and Fields shows enough to at least bring him back next year, would you consider trading down? I would say trading down to trade down in a bad idea, but when teams get desperate for QBs they tend to give up a ton.

 

Examples:

 

-The 49ers traded 3 first round picks and a 3rd to move up from 12th to 3rd and draft Trey Lance

-The Jets traded 1 first round pick and 3 second round picks to move up from 6th to 3rd and draft Sam Darnold (lol)

-The Eagles traded 2 first round picks, 1 second and 1 third to move up from 8th to 2nd and draft Carson Wentz (double lol)

 

Trading down could really put the Bears in a great position. Houston, Seattle and Detroit all have 2 firsts and could want a QB. Washington should actually draft one and will likely pick behind the Bears due to Thursdays win. NYG certainly could make a big move up, Jones is a FA and they look ready to compete everywhere else but WR (mainly because of the multiple 1sts they've had recently).

 

If Stroud or Young are on the board (probably have to pick top 3), then I think you'd see a package similar to the 49ers. They are elite prospects. If talking about QB3, then closer to the Eagles package (maybe minus that 2nd). Either way allows the Bears to get multiple high end talents over the next 1-2 drafts. I've never been more pro trading down than I am potentially in this draft.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I was reading today about how there should be a lot of QB needy teams out there this year. If the Bears secure a top 5 pick and Fields shows enough to at least bring him back next year, would you consider trading down? I would say trading down to trade down in a bad idea, but when teams get desperate for QBs they tend to give up a ton.

 

Examples:

 

-The 49ers traded 3 first round picks and a 3rd to move up from 12th to 3rd and draft Trey Lance

-The Jets traded 1 first round pick and 3 second round picks to move up from 6th to 3rd and draft Sam Darnold (lol)

-The Eagles traded 2 first round picks, 1 second and 1 third to move up from 8th to 2nd and draft Carson Wentz (double lol)

I would have zero problem trading down out of a top 5 pick. We need so much.

[WrigleyField 22]

I could see forgoing Brown and just rebuilding the entire interior outside of possibly Jenkins (assuming they don't see any future outside for him).

 

They could possibly be in a position to draft a tackle high, or just let Jones ans Borom develop and hope an elite interior can carry them even if they're merely average.

 

I think I gave my thoughts on this.

 

Jones- handpicked by GM, "won" starting LT job as a 5th round rookie. Theoretically, should improve as the year goes on. Don't see any chance he's benched this year if healthy. And don't see any chance he's benched next year if he keeps showing promise the rest of this year.

 

Borom- has actually been better than Jones so far, but is upgradeable. Upside similar to Jones but he was picked 1 year earlier and NOT by this regime.

 

Jenkins- is the key. They seem to hate or be trying to motivate him. He's been the best OL at RG. Wonder if he should have ever been moved off of RT. He's been fine there whenever he's played outside of maybe his 1st game after back surgery.

 

That's why I like signing a guy like Elgton Jenkins. He's played LT, LG, RG, RT for the Packers, I'm pretty sure. Add him, add an elite guard prospect or FA and let Jones, Borom and Jenkins compete for 2 spots.

 

LT- E Jenkins/Jones

LG- Draft pick/FA

C- Patrick (don't think he's cut, think they justify this by saying, "oh this is what we brought him here to play but his hand changed plans!")

RG- E Jenkins/T Jenkins

RT- Borom/T Jenkins/ E Jenkins/ Jones

 

Jones wins LT, Elgton to RT where he's been most recently in GB. Teven stays at RG. Jones doesn't cut it, Elgton to LT, competition for RT. Teven proves himself enough to go back to his natural RT position, Elgton is an elite guard. Borom likely is swing tackle. Have those drafted guys as backups.

Based on what we've seen from Patrick, fire him to the moon. Go sign Pocic as prob the top C on the market? Don't let another hometown C get away lol.

 

Elgton's positional versatility and scheme familiarity probably would be good. Probably makes more sense than chasing Brown or McGlinchey on the top of the T market.

 

You could even wait on Whitehair (and Patrick) and let the August cuts come where they will. Cody looked better this year before getting hurt.

 

Jones-Whitehair-Pocic-Jenkins-Jenkins

With possibility Borom looks better than Whitehair and you save some money by cutting Whitehair late and shift Jenkins to LG.

 

Not sure confident about any of the other day 3 picks from this year. You can still RFA tag Mustipher as it's not guaranteed. And could definitely see him draft some more in 23.

[WrigleyField 22]

What they do at WR is perhaps more perplexing. Rumors that they are talking a Mooney extension. Maybe they'll be in a spot to draft a guy in 1st or 2nd round.

 

The best receiver to hit the FA market might be Gesicki, who is like a big slot TE basically. Not opposed to that. Some okay number 2 types. Some guys may hit the trade market but recent history is that that price is a 1st and maybe more.

[Bertz]

I was reading today about how there should be a lot of QB needy teams out there this year. If the Bears secure a top 5 pick and Fields shows enough to at least bring him back next year, would you consider trading down? I would say trading down to trade down in a bad idea, but when teams get desperate for QBs they tend to give up a ton.

 

Examples:

 

-The 49ers traded 3 first round picks and a 3rd to move up from 12th to 3rd and draft Trey Lance

-The Jets traded 1 first round pick and 3 second round picks to move up from 6th to 3rd and draft Sam Darnold (lol)

-The Eagles traded 2 first round picks, 1 second and 1 third to move up from 8th to 2nd and draft Carson Wentz (double lol)

 

I would set the bar VERY high for Fields to show enough that you don't just make the pick yourself. To the point that it's almost impossible to see a scenario where Fields has shown enough and the Bears are still picking high enough to get showered with draft picks. Like I know the Minnesota game was an example of a tank win where Fields was great but we still lost, but unless Eberfluss is able to dial up another half dozen of those it feels like a tough needle to thread.

[UMFan83]

I was reading today about how there should be a lot of QB needy teams out there this year. If the Bears secure a top 5 pick and Fields shows enough to at least bring him back next year, would you consider trading down? I would say trading down to trade down in a bad idea, but when teams get desperate for QBs they tend to give up a ton.

 

Examples:

 

-The 49ers traded 3 first round picks and a 3rd to move up from 12th to 3rd and draft Trey Lance

-The Jets traded 1 first round pick and 3 second round picks to move up from 6th to 3rd and draft Sam Darnold (lol)

-The Eagles traded 2 first round picks, 1 second and 1 third to move up from 8th to 2nd and draft Carson Wentz (double lol)

 

I would set the bar VERY high for Fields to show enough that you don't just make the pick yourself. To the point that it's almost impossible to see a scenario where Fields has shown enough and the Bears are still picking high enough to get showered with draft picks. Like I know the Minnesota game was an example of a tank win where Fields was great but we still lost, but unless Eberfluss is able to dial up another half dozen of those it feels like a tough needle to thread.

 

I just think the FO is going to do everything possible to avoid having to spend a high 1st on a QB. This is a team that wants to build through the draft and needs everything and a lot of it. I know this goes against everything we've seen with giving Fields no help, putting kid gloves on him, etc, but I do think they are trying to slowly develop him. I'm not sure if they're doing it right. In fact I sort of doubt it.

 

I could be completely wrong though. I just keep going back to it not making any sense to completely ruin Fields just because you don't believe in him. Everyone sees the talent, even the detractors. This is a free season for them in terms of expectations. No one would blame Poles if they let Fields air it out and he flopped. In fact they would probably prefer that if they didn't believe in Fields, so they could quickly move on.

[WrigleyField 22]

Apparently Will Fuller is still a free agent? Is he just not healthy or what? 2020 Fuller would immediatetly improve this WR corps.

[raw]

What they do at WR is perhaps more perplexing. Rumors that they are talking a Mooney extension. Maybe they'll be in a spot to draft a guy in 1st or 2nd round.

 

The best receiver to hit the FA market might be Gesicki, who is like a big slot TE basically. Not opposed to that. Some okay number 2 types. Some guys may hit the trade market but recent history is that that price is a 1st and maybe more.

 

Yeah, it's going to be interesting. There's some guys that could be traded (Jeudy, Higgins, Claypool) who are in similar boats as the guys traded last year. They will want new deals and have expensive/or soon to be expensive QBs or other expensive WRs on their teams. But the issue here is if they extend Mooney, now you have 2 expensive WRs on the team. Which is fine because they have the space, but 40Mil AAV in WRs who's contracts are up about the same time is probably a bit much.

[CubinNY]

I'm going to go out on a thin dead limb and say the Bears will only win one more game this year against the Lions at home.

[WrigleyField 22]

What they do at WR is perhaps more perplexing. Rumors that they are talking a Mooney extension. Maybe they'll be in a spot to draft a guy in 1st or 2nd round.

 

The best receiver to hit the FA market might be Gesicki, who is like a big slot TE basically. Not opposed to that. Some okay number 2 types. Some guys may hit the trade market but recent history is that that price is a 1st and maybe more.

 

Yeah, it's going to be interesting. There's some guys that could be traded (Jeudy, Higgins, Claypool) who are in similar boats as the guys traded last year. They will want new deals and have expensive/or soon to be expensive QBs or other expensive WRs on their teams. But the issue here is if they extend Mooney, now you have 2 expensive WRs on the team. Which is fine because they have the space, but 40Mil AAV in WRs who's contracts are up about the same time is probably a bit much.

If those guys hit the trade market I think they would go in the sub 1st round pick compensation. It's possible that the initial market moved off on paying guys the $25M price and dumped them for first rounders, but that there is still a market of teams who will move off the 15-18M type players and move them for like a third.

 

Higgins is the real interesting one. Pretty cheap franchise that knows its gonna have to dig deep for Chase and Burrow. But he probably goes for the most of those guys listed.

[raw]

What they do at WR is perhaps more perplexing. Rumors that they are talking a Mooney extension. Maybe they'll be in a spot to draft a guy in 1st or 2nd round.

 

The best receiver to hit the FA market might be Gesicki, who is like a big slot TE basically. Not opposed to that. Some okay number 2 types. Some guys may hit the trade market but recent history is that that price is a 1st and maybe more.

 

Yeah, it's going to be interesting. There's some guys that could be traded (Jeudy, Higgins, Claypool) who are in similar boats as the guys traded last year. They will want new deals and have expensive/or soon to be expensive QBs or other expensive WRs on their teams. But the issue here is if they extend Mooney, now you have 2 expensive WRs on the team. Which is fine because they have the space, but 40Mil AAV in WRs who's contracts are up about the same time is probably a bit much.

If those guys hit the trade market I think they would go in the sub 1st round pick compensation. It's possible that the initial market moved off on paying guys the $25M price and dumped them for first rounders, but that there is still a market of teams who will move off the 15-18M type players and move them for like a third.

 

Higgins is the real interesting one. Pretty cheap franchise that knows its gonna have to dig deep for Chase and Burrow. But he probably goes for the most of those guys listed.

 

Yeah, I also see them most interested in a big WR. Getsy had all 6'3"+ WRs in Green Bay (other than Rodgers' handpicked boy Cobb) and Mooney's lack of size was a big issue in the loss Thursday. They traded for Harry. They clearly want to be bigger on the outside (makes not drafting Pickens even weirder). So, if they really like Smith-Ngjiba, Jordan Addison or Kayshon Boutte in the draft, they may go after size in free agency or trade.

[Tryptamine]

Apparently Will Fuller is still a free agent? Is he just not healthy or what? 2020 Fuller would immediatetly improve this WR corps.

 

I've been thinking about this for a couple weeks now and I just don't get it.

[gflore34]

Apparently Will Fuller is still a free agent? Is he just not healthy or what? 2020 Fuller would immediatetly improve this WR corps.

 

I've been thinking about this for a couple weeks now and I just don't get it.

 

I'd certainly kick the tires on Fuller, dump one of Pettis and/or Smith-Marsette.

[raw]

Yeah, it makes no sense why Fuller isn't signed. At this point, he has to just want to play. Can't be waiting on a certain dollar amount, can't wait on a contender. He needs to be on the field trying to pull a contract for next season. If he doesn't play this year, I'd think he might be done. And he's too good to be out of the league already.

[gflore34]

Yeah, it makes no sense why Fuller isn't signed. At this point, he has to just want to play. Can't be waiting on a certain dollar amount, can't wait on a contender. He needs to be on the field trying to pull a contract for next season. If he doesn't play this year, I'd think he might be done. And he's too good to be out of the league already.

 

Maybe Fuller doesn't check the speed box for Poles? Don't believe he checks the size box. At this point Fields needs someone who can just catch the horsefeathering ball, screw size or speed.

[UMFan83]

There has to be some personal reason why he's not playing. I know he missed most of last season with an injury and was suspended for PEDs the season before, but he's 28 years old and plenty of teams like the Packers who could desperately use a WR like Fuller.

[JeffH]

Apparently Will Fuller is still a free agent? Is he just not healthy or what? 2020 Fuller would immediatetly improve this WR corps.

 

I've been thinking about this for a couple weeks now and I just don't get it.

 

I'd certainly kick the tires on Fuller, dump one of Pettis and/or Smith-Marsette.

 

Don't kick Fuller's tires or he'll get hurt.