Bears Week 7 @ Patriots, Monday Night Football 10/24

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The Patriots are another good running team, but like most of the league have a better passing game than the Bears. They are averaging 29 points per game the last 4 games, despite not having an actual offensive coordinator and while playing 3 different QBs, one being a rookie 4th round pick who was at Houston Baptist 2 years ago at this time.

 

This is the primetime finale for the Bears, so the last chance to be embarrassed on a national level. But I'm sure the narratives will continue.

[UMFan83]

Interesting that Belichick tied GSH for 2nd most wins in history last week and has a chance to break it against the Bears. Belichick is 6-1 lifetime against the Bears, the only loss coming back in his first year in New England (2000). At least according to my friend who is a Pats fan, Belichick's teams have historically had issues against teams with mobile QBs, and that certainly tracks since the last time we played the Patriots Trubisky had multiple ridiculous TD runs (and then seemingly never ran again - thanks Nagy).

 

But he's also a mastermind at disguising defenses and scheming for ways to take away the team's best impact player, though I have no idea who that would be for the Bears.

 

The Bears have played the last 4 games within 1 score but the Patriots have blown out their last 2 opponents and Zappe has had 3 100 QB rating games in his first 3 starts (compared to Fields have 1 in his entire career thus far). I have a feeling that this one won't be pretty and will go with Patriots winning 24-13

[gflore34]

I'd like to think attempts will be made to protect Fields in both personnel and scheme, do not know if anything will work. Will respect this coaching staff quite a bit more if they at least try to adjust and make improvements.

[Tryptamine]

I can't wait to hear about how great Bailey Zappe is and how bad Justin Fields is for the next 2 weeks.

[gflore34]

NFL trade deadline is fast approaching, who should the Bears trade for more draft capital? I'd be Ok with any or all of Quinn (has checked out and who can blame him), Montgomery (RB's are a dime a dozen, Herbert is more than adequate), Roquan Smith (Bears aren't going to pay him and they shouldn't, he's not what they want for the present defense scheme), who else? Eddie Jackson?

[gflore34]

I can't wait to hear about how great Bailey Zappe is and how bad Justin Fields is for the next 2 weeks.

 

 

He's got a pretty cool name; I'll give points for that.

[UMFan83]

NFL trade deadline is fast approaching, who should the Bears trade for more draft capital? I'd be Ok with any or all of Quinn (has checked out and who can blame him), Montgomery (RB's are a dime a dozen, Herbert is more than adequate), Roquan Smith (Bears aren't going to pay him and they shouldn't, he's not what they want for the present defense scheme), who else? Eddie Jackson?

 

I'd be ok with Quinn and Roquan. I'd keep Montgomery through the season because RBs simply arent that valuable unless they are an elite Christian McCaffrey-like back, and you're only getting him for 1/2 season. I'm thinking he would only fetch a 6th or 7th (but I could be way off). I *probably* don't want to re-sign him, but I'd like to keep that option available. The Bears clearly don't trust Herbert's blocking abilities (is that something RBs can improve at this point of their careers?) and so I'm not sure they want to make him a lead back. Keeping Monty at least gives the Bears the option of retaining him, or they can go out and draft/sign a replacement level back.

[UMFan83]

 

Might have been a decent pickup for the Bears

[Tryptamine]

NFL trade deadline is fast approaching, who should the Bears trade for more draft capital? I'd be Ok with any or all of Quinn (has checked out and who can blame him), Montgomery (RB's are a dime a dozen, Herbert is more than adequate), Roquan Smith (Bears aren't going to pay him and they shouldn't, he's not what they want for the present defense scheme), who else? Eddie Jackson?

 

Please no. Fields is already constantly under pressure, this is only going to make things even worse. Herbert can't block at all.

[WrigleyField 22]

I don't care what you think about RB value, I'm not trading any player that makes Justin's life any easier for rest of the year. No to Montgomery.

 

I'd trade Quinn for whatever picks you can get.

 

For Ro, I think I'd be interested in a player swap if there was one, say a young, equivalent scenario WR. Otherwise I probably hang on and revisit his long term decision in offseason.

 

If there was a really buy low WR I'd consider, but like day 3 picks at most.

[gflore34]

I don't care what you think about RB value, I'm not trading any player that makes Justin's life any easier for rest of the year. No to Montgomery.

 

I'd trade Quinn for whatever picks you can get.

 

For Ro, I think I'd be interested in a player swap if there was one, say a young, equivalent scenario WR. Otherwise I probably hang on and revisit his long term decision in offseason.

 

If there was a really buy low WR I'd consider, but like day 3 picks at most.

 

Good point.

[Soul]

Partially because we know more about where the Bears stand, as well as where other teams stand, the "easy" schedule has seemingly evaporated.

 

If Poles' strategy this year was tank-city, it might very well kick into full speed in the next few weeks.

 

Anyway, Bears lose this week, maybe they keep it close but it's not happening. I'll go NE 24 CHI 13.

[Soul]

I'd like to think attempts will be made to protect Fields in both personnel and scheme, do not know if anything will work. Will respect this coaching staff quite a bit more if they at least try to adjust and make improvements.

 

More wildcat will protect him.

[UMFan83]

NE 24 CHI 13.

 

Sorry already taken

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I'd like to think attempts will be made to protect Fields in both personnel and scheme, do not know if anything will work. Will respect this coaching staff quite a bit more if they at least try to adjust and make improvements.

 

Getsy has actually done a lot more 6-8 man protections that you'd realize. Did it a BUNCH against Washington. The problem is the 2-3 WR routes were being covered by 6-7 people. Guys weren't getting open (understandably), Fields was holding onto the ball (waiting for guys to get open), and 4-5 man pass rushes against 7-8 blockers were getting home. That's the issue with such a lack of talent. Guys aren't good enough to get open consistently, so you need 5 in routes to hope someone beats their man. Guys aren't blocking well enough to consistently protect with only 5. I think Getsy has done a good job mixing things up with protections and routes. He's had multiple TEs on passing plays. He's had WRs stay in to block on pass plays.

[WrigleyField 22]

I'd like to think attempts will be made to protect Fields in both personnel and scheme, do not know if anything will work. Will respect this coaching staff quite a bit more if they at least try to adjust and make improvements.

 

Getsy has actually done a lot more 6-8 man protections that you'd realize. Did it a BUNCH against Washington. The problem is the 2-3 WR routes were being covered by 6-7 people. Guys weren't getting open (understandably), Fields was holding onto the ball (waiting for guys to get open), and 4-5 man pass rushes against 7-8 blockers were getting home. That's the issue with such a lack of talent. Guys aren't good enough to get open consistently, so you need 5 in routes to hope someone beats their man. Guys aren't blocking well enough to consistently protect with only 5. I think Getsy has done a good job mixing things up with protections and routes. He's had multiple TEs on passing plays. He's had WRs stay in to block on pass plays.

I wonder what the actual % is of base verse max pass pro they're running. If you told me it was 50/50 or greater towards max I think I'd believe it.

Edited October 17, 2022 by WrigleyField 22

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NFL trade deadline is fast approaching, who should the Bears trade for more draft capital? I'd be Ok with any or all of Quinn (has checked out and who can blame him), Montgomery (RB's are a dime a dozen, Herbert is more than adequate), Roquan Smith (Bears aren't going to pay him and they shouldn't, he's not what they want for the present defense scheme), who else? Eddie Jackson?

 

Quinn- trade for anything. Honestly, at this point you aren't going to keep him for an 18Mil cap hit next year. Even though you have the space, he's not worth that dollar amount and the reps he'd take from younger players. He's getting cut and nothing coming in return after the season. If you can get a 5th now, I'd take it.

 

Montgomery- I've said that I would re-sign him. But if anyone wants him, I'd probably trade him for a 4th. That's probably best case scenario for him in the comp pick formula if the Bears don't sign anyone worthwhile....which is a bad idea, so most likely he'd walk for nothing if they don't re-sign him.

 

Roquan- I'd probably keep him. If someone wants to give up a 2nd and 20Mil for him, they can have him. But you can tag him, he'll play on it. I don't agree that he's "not what they want". Think they would have traded him in the summer, if that was the case. He is a guy you can get a 3rd round comp for if he walks, because I don't see the Bears signing anyone that will be among the highest paid at his position like Ro will be. I'd probably franchise tag him for like 17Mil or whatever the number will be.

 

Jackson- interesting one. He has HUGE 17+ and 18M+ cap hits in 23 and 24. I don't really see anyone taking that on (cap hit would be less for acquiring team though). He's also going to be 30 in the next couple months, so IDK that the Bears necessary want to restructure him to lower that cap number and push money out further. But I also don't feel like they'd want to lose him with such a young secondary.

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I don't care what you think about RB value, I'm not trading any player that makes Justin's life any easier for rest of the year. No to Montgomery.

 

I'd trade Quinn for whatever picks you can get.

 

For Ro, I think I'd be interested in a player swap if there was one, say a young, equivalent scenario WR. Otherwise I probably hang on and revisit his long term decision in offseason.

 

If there was a really buy low WR I'd consider, but like day 3 picks at most.

 

Yeah, Steelers stuck out as a possibility before the season with them re-signing Diontae Johnson and drafting 2 WRs and having Claypool. They also had a disaster at ILB, but it has since stabilized a bit and now that Pickett is starting, I think they'd want to give him as much support as possible (unlike other teams we know). So at this point, I don't think you're getting anything more than an unproven type (Denzel Mims).

[WrigleyField 22]

I can't see how they are going to be in the comp pick discussion anyways in 2023. Maybe if they tagged Roquan or DM they could turn into 2024 comp picks.

 

Jackson has played himself into being kept. The actual money due is only like 13-14M per and he's actually been worth it. While he could fall off from age, they just have very little good ways to spend their minimum cash spend through 2023. Maybe in 2024 its a different discussion.

 

I posted earlier thier minimum spend requirements. They are like a 110M deficit already and that's with $40M to Quinn, Jackson, Whitehair. If they're cutting those guys and also not extending Roquan and DM... It's hard to envision what spending it looks like, unless they're just gonna cut a check and get nothing.

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I can't see how they are going to be in the comp pick discussion anyways in 2023. Maybe if they tagged Roquan or DM they could turn into 2024 comp picks.

 

Jackson has played himself into being kept. The actual money due is only like 13-14M per and he's actually been worth it. While he could fall off from age, they just have very little good ways to spend their minimum cash spend through 2023. Maybe in 2024 its a different discussion.

 

I posted earlier thier minimum spend requirements. They are like a 110M deficit already and that's with $40M to Quinn, Jackson, Whitehair. If they're cutting those guys and also not extending Roquan and DM... It's hard to envision what spending it looks like, unless they're just gonna cut a check and get nothing.

 

That's a good point. But yeah, Quinn and Whitehair are gone to me. Keep Jackson. I'd re-sign Montgomery and tag Roquan. Extend Mooney and Jaylon Johnson.

 

They have to spend on OL and WR and probably pretty big on OL at least (nobody really worth spending on at WR). But they can justify spending some on the DL as well, replacing Quinn and severely upgrading DT would be a need.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I can't see how they are going to be in the comp pick discussion anyways in 2023. Maybe if they tagged Roquan or DM they could turn into 2024 comp picks.

 

Jackson has played himself into being kept. The actual money due is only like 13-14M per and he's actually been worth it. While he could fall off from age, they just have very little good ways to spend their minimum cash spend through 2023. Maybe in 2024 its a different discussion.

 

I posted earlier thier minimum spend requirements. They are like a 110M deficit already and that's with $40M to Quinn, Jackson, Whitehair. If they're cutting those guys and also not extending Roquan and DM... It's hard to envision what spending it looks like, unless they're just gonna cut a check and get nothing.

 

That's a good point. But yeah, Quinn and Whitehair are gone to me. Keep Jackson. I'd re-sign Montgomery and tag Roquan. Extend Mooney and Jaylon Johnson.

 

They have to spend on OL and WR and probably pretty big on OL at least (nobody really worth spending on at WR). But they can justify spending some on the DL as well, replacing Quinn and severely upgrading DT would be a need.

 

Brown (KC), Conklin (CLE), and Jenkins (GB) all make sense as far as possible o-line upgrades. Payne (DT) from Washington could also make sense

[Soul]

NE 24 CHI 13.

 

Sorry already taken

 

Oops.

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I can't see how they are going to be in the comp pick discussion anyways in 2023. Maybe if they tagged Roquan or DM they could turn into 2024 comp picks.

 

Jackson has played himself into being kept. The actual money due is only like 13-14M per and he's actually been worth it. While he could fall off from age, they just have very little good ways to spend their minimum cash spend through 2023. Maybe in 2024 its a different discussion.

 

I posted earlier thier minimum spend requirements. They are like a 110M deficit already and that's with $40M to Quinn, Jackson, Whitehair. If they're cutting those guys and also not extending Roquan and DM... It's hard to envision what spending it looks like, unless they're just gonna cut a check and get nothing.

 

That's a good point. But yeah, Quinn and Whitehair are gone to me. Keep Jackson. I'd re-sign Montgomery and tag Roquan. Extend Mooney and Jaylon Johnson.

 

They have to spend on OL and WR and probably pretty big on OL at least (nobody really worth spending on at WR). But they can justify spending some on the DL as well, replacing Quinn and severely upgrading DT would be a need.

 

Brown (KC), Conklin (CLE), and Jenkins (GB) all make sense as far as possible o-line upgrades. Payne (DT) from Washington could also make sense

 

Everyone loves Brown, but my issues with him are:

A) he's not that good

B) Poles mentioned wanting athletic linemen. He is perhaps the most unathletic lineman there has ever been (based on combine numbers).

C) he's looking to be among the highest paid LTs in the league. He turned down a deal that would put him in the top 5 LTs and top 3 RTs. He's not a LT to me and he's not one of the 3 best on the right side either. Not that players get paid based on that, but I don't want Brown if there are cheaper options that fit better (you named 2 much better ones).

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

That's a good point. But yeah, Quinn and Whitehair are gone to me. Keep Jackson. I'd re-sign Montgomery and tag Roquan. Extend Mooney and Jaylon Johnson.

 

They have to spend on OL and WR and probably pretty big on OL at least (nobody really worth spending on at WR). But they can justify spending some on the DL as well, replacing Quinn and severely upgrading DT would be a need.

 

Brown (KC), Conklin (CLE), and Jenkins (GB) all make sense as far as possible o-line upgrades. Payne (DT) from Washington could also make sense

 

Everyone loves Brown, but my issues with him are:

A) he's not that good

B) Poles mentioned wanting athletic linemen. He is perhaps the most unathletic lineman there has ever been (based on combine numbers).

C) he's looking to be among the highest paid LTs in the league. He turned down a deal that would put him in the top 5 LTs and top 3 RTs. He's not a LT to me and he's not one of the 3 best on the right side either. Not that players get paid based on that, but I don't want Brown if there are cheaper options that fit better (you named 2 much better ones).

 

Brown would still be better then every other option we have.

 

side note, if Bresee is there when the Bears draft do we take him? I think I would if we could get some OL help in FA, and there was a good amount of WR talent available in the 2nd this year. I dont know how the draft looks for WR's.

[WrigleyField 22]

I could see forgoing Brown and just rebuilding the entire interior outside of possibly Jenkins (assuming they don't see any future outside for him).

 

They could possibly be in a position to draft a tackle high, or just let Jones ans Borom develop and hope an elite interior can carry them even if they're merely average.