2022 Trade Deadline

[mul21]

Listening to the reaction today, the Wrigleyville Nation guys HATE the Cubs' deadline moves/non-moves. I like the moves they did make, but really don't see much of a plan. The failure to trade WC was massive in my opinion. I think you absolutely have to take whatever the best offer is there. Why not move Wisdom/Ortega? What I fear is that it's because they know we are on a 3, 4, 5 year timeline to be competitive instead of 1-2.

 

Do you think there's some huge demand for Wisdom/Ortega? Even if there were teams interested, what do you think you're getting for fringy/4A guys like that? And if they determined that they can get a guy at 70 in the draft next year that will be better than any package that they were offered for Willy, I'm going to defer to them knowing what they're doing over the paltry level of knowledge on this board in comparison.

 

I also don't think you sign guys like Suzuki and Stroman to the deals they got if you're planning on a 5 year window before you're competitive again. As was laid out, you add one of the big SS FAs this offseason, someone like Rodon and a 1B who isn't a black hole, suddenly you're looking at a team that projects to win 85+ games and that's not a far fetched reality.

[CubinNY]

Listening to the reaction today, the Wrigleyville Nation guys HATE the Cubs' deadline moves/non-moves. I like the moves they did make, but really don't see much of a plan. The failure to trade WC was massive in my opinion. I think you absolutely have to take whatever the best offer is there. Why not move Wisdom/Ortega? What I fear is that it's because they know we are on a 3, 4, 5 year timeline to be competitive instead of 1-2.

What if, and I’m just spitballing here, the guys that were offered in the trades by the other teams were not that good and/or unlikely to be major contributors to the major league team in 2-3 years?

 

I don’t like the idea of letting Wilson go and getting the money and comp pick, but if the money and comp pick are of higher quality than the players offered, it makes more sense to take that route. To me, it makes much more sense to work on an extension.

[jersey cubs fan]

Listening to the reaction today, the Wrigleyville Nation guys HATE the Cubs' deadline moves/non-moves. I like the moves they did make, but really don't see much of a plan. The failure to trade WC was massive in my opinion. I think you absolutely have to take whatever the best offer is there. Why not move Wisdom/Ortega? What I fear is that it's because they know we are on a 3, 4, 5 year timeline to be competitive instead of 1-2.

 

Do you think there's some huge demand for Wisdom/Ortega? Even if there were teams interested, what do you think you're getting for fringy/4A guys like that? And if they determined that they can get a guy at 70 in the draft next year that will be better than any package that they were offered for Willy, I'm going to defer to them knowing what they're doing over the paltry level of knowledge on this board in comparison.

 

I also don't think you sign guys like Suzuki and Stroman to the deals they got if you're planning on a 5 year window before you're competitive again. As was laid out, you add one of the big SS FAs this offseason, someone like Rodon and a 1B who isn't a black hole, suddenly you're looking at a team that projects to win 85+ games and that's not a far fetched reality.

I don’t get the “you don’t sign X and Y if you don’t plan on contending soon” theory. This team had no pitching. They needed Stroman or something like him just to field a team without requiring kids to press early. They still have to sell something to fans. Tribune era cubs did this every year, one or two names signed before individual tickets go on sale. You can convince the apologists that a 147 million payroll is at least kind of trying. You can’t do that with 110 million. They had cash burning in the pocket that needed to be spent.

 

Everything this organization has done indicates there’s been no rush to contend in 2023. They aren’t pulling a Davidson and saying 5 years, because that is absurd. But it’s gonna be a while with this group. We’re already two years in to the decision to start cutting costs and 4+ years since they stopped spending. They’re in no position to really contend next year. You can make a list of moves they could, but won’t, make to get them to 85 wins. But why?

[minnesotacubsfan]

I feel like the most likely landing spot for Willson was NY Mets, but since they were butthurt over PCA the best possible trade the Cubs could have gotten was dribbled down to a bunch of used baseballs and a new 29 oz Louisville slugger, possibly FUNGO bat. Here's to the Mets losing in the NLCS due to a weak offense

 

on the flip side of this, I hope it gives the FO and Willson more time to contemplate a resigning effort, and they come to a reasonable contract for both

[Tryptamine]

The further I get away from the trade deadline, and the more rational my mind starts to become. I wonder if the enormous 40 man crunch really limited the return that Hoyer could take. I know that the pitcher they got from the Yankees needs to be added and that they have a huge amount of people who are going to be Rule 5 eligible. I'm actually going to be surprised if a lot of move aren't made in the offseason to address that 40 man roster crunch, otherwise the Cubs are going to lose a ton of people in the rule 5.

[Backtobanks]

Listening to the reaction today, the Wrigleyville Nation guys HATE the Cubs' deadline moves/non-moves. I like the moves they did make, but really don't see much of a plan. The failure to trade WC was massive in my opinion. I think you absolutely have to take whatever the best offer is there. Why not move Wisdom/Ortega? What I fear is that it's because they know we are on a 3, 4, 5 year timeline to be competitive instead of 1-2.

 

Do you think there's some huge demand for Wisdom/Ortega? Even if there were teams interested, what do you think you're getting for fringy/4A guys like that? And if they determined that they can get a guy at 70 in the draft next year that will be better than any package that they were offered for Willy, I'm going to defer to them knowing what they're doing over the paltry level of knowledge on this board in comparison.

 

I also don't think you sign guys like Suzuki and Stroman to the deals they got if you're planning on a 5 year window before you're competitive again. As was laid out, you add one of the big SS FAs this offseason, someone like Rodon and a 1B who isn't a black hole, suddenly you're looking at a team that projects to win 85+ games and that's not a far fetched reality.

 

Signing Rodon (or Manaea or Walker)) and Josh Bell solves a lot of the problems with this team for next year. That being said, I don't see Ricketts spending anywhere near that much money next year. So, it's back to wishing and hoping that some prospects show something or irrationally dreaming about some expensive FA.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The further I get away from the trade deadline, and the more rational my mind starts to become. I wonder if the enormous 40 man crunch really limited the return that Hoyer could take. I know that the pitcher they got from the Yankees needs to be added and that they have a huge amount of people who are going to be Rule 5 eligible. I'm actually going to be surprised if a lot of move aren't made in the offseason to address that 40 man roster crunch, otherwise the Cubs are going to lose a ton of people in the rule 5.

 

I don't think the 40 man is going to be a huge consideration. The ultimate cause for that is the pandemic and many other teams are dealing with similar or worse crunches, so Rule 5 is going to be littered with a bunch of similar cases. There's gonna be plenty of room for the prospects that are potential first division starters, and they'll be risking some potential middle relievers or 4th outfielders in the worst case scenario. Plus if that were the main cause, it stands to reason they could've pulled off something like the Darvish trade, where all the pieces were ages away and didn't need rostering for a while.

[UMFan83]

I feel like the most likely landing spot for Willson was NY Mets, but since they were butthurt over PCA the best possible trade the Cubs could have gotten was dribbled down to a bunch of used baseballs and a new 29 oz Louisville slugger, possibly FUNGO bat. Here's to the Mets losing in the NLCS due to a weak offense

 

on the flip side of this, I hope it gives the FO and Willson more time to contemplate a resigning effort, and they come to a reasonable contract for both

 

Mets fans are livid at the Cubs for not accepting their crappy package of non-prospects. That alone makes keeping Willson worthwhile. I'm sure the Mets FO assumed that the Cubs would have come down as the clock ticked towards the deadline because everyone was so certain the Cubs would trade him no matter what. They played chicken with Jed and lost.

[Tryptamine]

Jarlin Susana, the lesser known of the prospects that went in the Soto deal, has apparently already touched 102 MPH at age 18 per a National's FO member. That package they got was really really good.

[We Got The Whole 9]

The further I get away from the trade deadline, and the more rational my mind starts to become. I wonder if the enormous 40 man crunch really limited the return that Hoyer could take. I know that the pitcher they got from the Yankees needs to be added and that they have a huge amount of people who are going to be Rule 5 eligible. I'm actually going to be surprised if a lot of move aren't made in the offseason to address that 40 man roster crunch, otherwise the Cubs are going to lose a ton of people in the rule 5.

 

I don't think the 40 man is going to be a huge consideration. The ultimate cause for that is the pandemic and many other teams are dealing with similar or worse crunches, so Rule 5 is going to be littered with a bunch of similar cases. There's gonna be plenty of room for the prospects that are potential first division starters, and they'll be risking some potential middle relievers or 4th outfielders in the worst case scenario. Plus if that were the main cause, it stands to reason they could've pulled off something like the Darvish trade, where all the pieces were ages away and didn't need rostering for a while.

I really don't want to lose Slaughter :shrug:

[apete6]

Dinelson Lamet, part of the Josh Hader trade, has been DFAd by the Brewers. Seems strange.

[PriorFighter]

The fact that reasonable fans who (I'm assuming of most on here) follow the team & organization closely can have such divergent views of the team's competitive window is absolutely atrocious. I felt like Theo's super power was communication with fans, players, media, etc. Even when things went wrong I feel like I always knew the plan with Theo, right until ownership pulled the proverbial spending rug out from under him.

 

Since then though (what 2018?) the Cubs have had no discernible strategy, direction or innovative ideas on how to be/stay competitive. That's the part that's unexcusable and that's what make the WC/P-Wiz/Ortega/etc. no-trade so infuriating. If you have no plan, at least, AT LEAST err on the side of getting young players that could coalesce into a core.

 

The other side of it is that it just can't be good business to throw this team out there everyday. Say what you want about "people will still go, it's Wrigley" but you can't tell me more people wouldn't go if A. The team was a contender or B. The team was all young/scrappy/exciting, but not-yet-good guys & ownership leaned into it for a couple years with cheap tickets and cheap beers.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Dinelson Lamet, part of the Josh Hader trade, has been DFAd by the Brewers. Seems strange.

 

I would assume that him going to Milwaukee was mostly about helping San Diego's luxury tax situation(Lamet makes 4.8M) and not about Milwaukee loving him as a player.

[SouthSideRyan]

The further I get away from the trade deadline, and the more rational my mind starts to become. I wonder if the enormous 40 man crunch really limited the return that Hoyer could take. I know that the pitcher they got from the Yankees needs to be added and that they have a huge amount of people who are going to be Rule 5 eligible. I'm actually going to be surprised if a lot of move aren't made in the offseason to address that 40 man roster crunch, otherwise the Cubs are going to lose a ton of people in the rule 5.

 

From the moment I learned what the rule 5 draft was there have been worries about how we're going to lose everybody to it, and it never happens. The only team I can remember losing a bunch was the Pirates 20 years ago, and the only guy that mattered was Jose Bautista who they'd get back that same year(after he was traded 3 times, and he wouldn't become good for another 5 years)

[SouthSideRyan]

They played chicken with Jed and lost.

 

Unlike Jed, the conquering hero.

[SouthSideRyan]

Dinelson Lamet, part of the Josh Hader trade, has been DFAd by the Brewers. Seems strange.

 

That trade was before they failed to dump all of Hosmer's salary. Shedding his 4.75M was them trying to stay under the tax.

[Cubswin11]

Dinelson Lamet, part of the Josh Hader trade, has been DFAd by the Brewers. Seems strange.

Unless the medicals are complete horsefeathers we should take a run at him, he’s shown periods of being absolutely elite. Even if it’s just a RP/long man role. Like just give him Leiter’s spot and see what he can do.

[apete6]

Dinelson Lamet, part of the Josh Hader trade, has been DFAd by the Brewers. Seems strange.

Unless the medicals are complete horsefeathers we should take a run at him, he’s shown periods of being absolutely elite. Even if it’s just a RP/long man role. Like just give him Leiter’s spot and see what he can do.

 

Agreed on this, why not give him a shot? It's just a few bucks and then you can non-tender him after the season if he's bad or gets injured.

 

Also, the previous posters who mentioned the luxury tax impact--thanks, that makes a lot of sense!

[CubinNY]

Dinelson Lamet, part of the Josh Hader trade, has been DFAd by the Brewers. Seems strange.

Unless the medicals are complete horsefeathers we should take a run at him, he’s shown periods of being absolutely elite. Even if it’s just a RP/long man role. Like just give him Leiter’s spot and see what he can do.

 

Agreed on this, why not give him a shot? It's just a few bucks and then you can non-tender him after the season if he's bad or gets injured.

 

Also, the previous posters who mentioned the luxury tax impact--thanks, that makes a lot of sense!

Instead of "It's different here!" the Cubs tag line should be "We buy garbage and sell it to you at exorbitant prices".

[UMFan83]

FG ranked all the prospects traded at the deadline and threw Willson's future comp pick in there.

 

Cubs additions:

 

12. James Wesneski

31. Contreras Comp Pick

33. Ben Brown

70. Saul Gonzalez

 

(McKinstry not a prospect)

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/ranking-the-prospects-traded-during-the-2022-deadline/

[mul21]

FG ranked all the prospects traded at the deadline and threw Willson's future comp pick in there.

 

Cubs additions:

 

12. James Wesneski

31. Contreras Comp Pick

33. Ben Brown

70. Saul Gonzalez

 

(McKinstry not a prospect)

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/ranking-the-prospects-traded-during-the-2022-deadline/

 

That Brown ranking sure doesn't seem like it includes this year's performance. And that's a really weird way to make that list. I get why they'd do it like that but it doesn't really seem like it's a useful tool for someone to spend time on.

[Bertz]

FG ranked all the prospects traded at the deadline and threw Willson's future comp pick in there.

 

Cubs additions:

 

12. James Wesneski

31. Contreras Comp Pick

33. Ben Brown

70. Saul Gonzalez

 

(McKinstry not a prospect)

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/ranking-the-prospects-traded-during-the-2022-deadline/

 

That Brown ranking sure doesn't seem like it includes this year's performance. And that's a really weird way to make that list. I get why they'd do it like that but it doesn't really seem like it's a useful tool for someone to spend time on.

 

Longenhagen is the lowest on both Wesneski and Brown for what I'd assume are purely geographic reasons. Eric lives in AZ and understandably weighs his in person views on guys heavily. So you have to take the good (he's usually the first national guy on most of our ultra-young prospects playing in the ACL or instructs) with the bad (he wasn't really on Kilian until the AFL, he seems similarly behind the industry on these two east coast arms).