College Basketball 2021-2022 season

[UMFan83]

I'm chatting with a couple of Michigan fans who think they'll still make the tournament. At 14-11 with 5 games left against teams that are better than them, I find it hard to believe they even stand a small chance.

 

Not anymore. I think if you ignored what happened today (which you can’t I know) Michigan is still in solid shape and think they are last 4 in. They have 1 badish loss, 3 Q1 wins and 4 of their last 5 games are at home against tourney teams. They have the number 6 SOS in the country and coming into today they were top 30 in kenpom and NET. the record sucks but is a result of having a very difficult non conference. They were in 85% of the brackets going into today so I don’t think a Q1 loss to a top 20 team is going to push them down too far

 

If they go 3-2 they’re in. That said this is going to torpedo the season and I don’t even know if I care anymore. I’m just so embarrassed.

[gflore34]

Howard should probably be fired but, the cynical side me has seen the Big Ten handle Michigan, for whatever reason, with kid gloves so, if the University does not take any steps. Will the Big Ten do anything, suspend him? Kofi got three games for selling some horsefeathering t-shirts.

[bukie]

Howard may be suspended the rest of the season or fired, but what about the players throwing down? That is much more likely to affect at least Michigan's future over the next couple weeks if they lose starters for the next few games, even without Howard on the bench.

[UMFan83]

Howard may be suspended the rest of the season or fired, but what about the players throwing down? That is much more likely to affect at least Michigan's future over the next couple weeks if they lose starters for the next few games, even without Howard on the bench.

 

Yeah. It would be Moussa and Williams. Moussa sucked today but has emerged as a solid starter and plays off Hunter well. Williams is like a 7th or 8th man. He’s ok but Michigan won’t miss him too much. 95% of their production comes from the starters anyways.

 

If Moussa misses the last 5 games Michigan is going 1-4 at best IMO

[Irrelevant Dude]

Will the Big Ten do anything, suspend him?

Of course. They have to. He slapped an assistant coach in the head. I don't care what excuse he has, nothing can justify his actions. And I'm sure there will be some player suspensions too.

 

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[NewUserName]

Will the Big Ten do anything, suspend him?

Of course. They have to. He slapped an assistant coach in the head. I don't care what excuse he has, nothing can justify his actions. And I'm sure there will be some player suspensions too.

 

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Didn't him and Turgeon havea dust up last yr also?

[Old Style]

Will the Big Ten do anything, suspend him?

Of course. They have to. He slapped an assistant coach in the head. I don't care what excuse he has, nothing can justify his actions. And I'm sure there will be some player suspensions too.

 

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Didn't him and Turgeon havea dust up last yr also?

Yeah, he tried to go after Turge and was held back by numerous coaches. Got T’d up twice and ejected. Turgeon got called for one T.

[UMFan83]

Will the Big Ten do anything, suspend him?

Of course. They have to. He slapped an assistant coach in the head. I don't care what excuse he has, nothing can justify his actions. And I'm sure there will be some player suspensions too.

 

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Didn't him and Turgeon havea dust up last yr also?

 

He clearly has a competitive temper. I always defended it as a quirky competitive dude but I never imagined it would escalate to that. Clearly unacceptable

[gflore34]

Of course. They have to. He slapped an assistant coach in the head. I don't care what excuse he has, nothing can justify his actions. And I'm sure there will be some player suspensions too.

 

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Didn't him and Turgeon havea dust up last yr also?

 

He clearly has a competitive temper. I always defended it as a quirky competitive dude but I never imagined it would escalate to that. Clearly unacceptable

 

Mike DeCourcy made a good point last night stating that Howard was still pressing/coaching with the game no longer in question, as is his prerogative. But, somehow, its not OK for Gard to do likewise? Just nonsense, Howard brought all on himself, there's no excuse. By the way, should Howard be suspended or relieved of his duties Michigan may actually benefit. I'm willing to bet Phil Martelli is step up when it comes to in game coaching.

[sneakypower]

remarkable to me that Howard's always been so calm/patient towards his own players but is kind of an angry lunatic toward other coaches when Underwood/Izzo types are the inverse of that dynamic, maybe he needs a better release i guess

[UMFan83]

 

Didn't him and Turgeon havea dust up last yr also?

 

He clearly has a competitive temper. I always defended it as a quirky competitive dude but I never imagined it would escalate to that. Clearly unacceptable

 

Mike DeCourcy made a good point last night stating that Howard was still pressing/coaching with the game no longer in question, as is his prerogative. But, somehow, its not OK for Gard to do likewise? Just nonsense, Howard brought all on himself, there's no excuse. By the way, should Howard be suspended or relieved of his duties Michigan may actually benefit. I'm willing to bet Phil Martelli is step up when it comes to in game coaching.

 

I disagree. I don’t understand where all the Howard sucks at coaching takes come from. Yes this year has been a disappointment but we’ve also seen a team that has improved as the season has gone on. There was a lot of praise for his offensive game plans against Purdue and Iowa and in general he has his teams running their plays flawlessly (opposing coaches have been quoted in praising their offensive execution). When they lose it’s almost always because his team can’t hit open 3s (and defense). On defense they are clearly a bad defensive team especially guarding ball screens. He’s recently started mixing zone defenses in and it’s been very effective overall. Has it been a good coaching year for him? No. But certainly doesn’t erase the work he’s done in the first 2 seasons. There were only 2 Beilein guys playing big roles on last years team. A majority of the key contributors including Franz and Hunter never played for him. The ones that did holdover had to learn a dramatically different offensive and defensive system.

 

Sorry I’ll end this rant lol. I just keep seeing this and it seems like people are just looking for reasons to criticize him (which is now understandable). No doubt Martelli would be fine taking over but that’s not because JH sucks at coaching IMO. Could revisit in 2 years and think differently*

 

 

*obviously this whole post is ignoring the undefendable actions of yesterday but since it was a basketball post I felt compelled to chime in

[SouthSideRyan]

Martelli won 1 tourney game his last 15 seasons at St. Joe's

[Old Style]

[SouthSideRyan]

1 game for players who threw punches seems awfully light

[Rex Buckingham]

1 game for players who threw punches seems awfully light

 

Yeah, Howard's is fine, though I could see an argument for being out the rest of the year, not just regular season. Gard could have got one and it not been egregious, but I think 0 is right for him. But dudes throwing punches and only getting a game is nuts.

[gflore34]

1 game for players who threw punches seems awfully light

 

Yeah, Howard's is fine, though I could see an argument for being out the rest of the year, not just regular season. Gard could have got one and it not been egregious, but I think 0 is right for him. But dudes throwing punches and only getting a game is nuts.

 

Don't understand, a couple of years ago Alan Griffin got two games for stepping on someone, Kofi gets three for selling t-shirts, should have been at least two games.

 

I wonder if Howard' anger was the result of what happened earlier in the game. Davison threw an elbow into Dickinson' gut, officials reviewed and deemed it a "basketball" play yeah, in prison rules basketball, it was a cheap shot.

Edited February 22, 2022 by gflore34

[Irrelevant Dude]

1 game for players who threw punches seems awfully light

 

Yeah, Howard's is fine, though I could see an argument for being out the rest of the year, not just regular season. Gard could have got one and it not been egregious, but I think 0 is right for him. But dudes throwing punches and only getting a game is nuts.

Yep, I don't see how the punishment for throwing punches wasn't more than a game. There doesn't seem to be any consistency with how suspensions are handed out, and somehow Illinois always seems to be treated differently.

[NewUserName]

1 game for players who threw punches seems awfully light

 

Yeah, Howard's is fine, though I could see an argument for being out the rest of the year, not just regular season. Gard could have got one and it not been egregious, but I think 0 is right for him. But dudes throwing punches and only getting a game is nuts.

 

Don't understand, a couple of years ago Alan Griffin got two games for stepping on someone, Kofi gets three for selling t-shirts, should have been at least two games.

 

I wonder if Howard' anger was the result of what happened earlier in the game. Davison threw an elbow into Dickinson' gut, officials reviewed and deemed it a "basketball" play yeah, in prison rules basketball, it was a cheap shot.

 

Wisconsin always seems to have a player pushes the boundaries a bit

[UMFan83]

 

Yeah, Howard's is fine, though I could see an argument for being out the rest of the year, not just regular season. Gard could have got one and it not been egregious, but I think 0 is right for him. But dudes throwing punches and only getting a game is nuts.

 

Don't understand, a couple of years ago Alan Griffin got two games for stepping on someone, Kofi gets three for selling t-shirts, should have been at least two games.

 

I wonder if Howard' anger was the result of what happened earlier in the game. Davison threw an elbow into Dickinson' gut, officials reviewed and deemed it a "basketball" play yeah, in prison rules basketball, it was a cheap shot.

 

Wisconsin always seems to have a player pushes the boundaries a bit

 

This does not excuse what happened afterwards but Davison is one of the dirtiest players I’ve seen in awhile in the Big Ten

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Yeah, Howard's is fine, though I could see an argument for being out the rest of the year, not just regular season. Gard could have got one and it not been egregious, but I think 0 is right for him. But dudes throwing punches and only getting a game is nuts.

 

Don't understand, a couple of years ago Alan Griffin got two games for stepping on someone, Kofi gets three for selling t-shirts, should have been at least two games.

 

I wonder if Howard' anger was the result of what happened earlier in the game. Davison threw an elbow into Dickinson' gut, officials reviewed and deemed it a "basketball" play yeah, in prison rules basketball, it was a cheap shot.

 

Wisconsin always seems to have a player pushes the boundaries a bit

 

Well that player has been Brad Davison for 5 years

[Rex Buckingham]

 

Don't understand, a couple of years ago Alan Griffin got two games for stepping on someone, Kofi gets three for selling t-shirts, should have been at least two games.

 

I wonder if Howard' anger was the result of what happened earlier in the game. Davison threw an elbow into Dickinson' gut, officials reviewed and deemed it a "basketball" play yeah, in prison rules basketball, it was a cheap shot.

 

Wisconsin always seems to have a player pushes the boundaries a bit

 

Well that player has been Brad Davison for 5 years

 

Johnny Davis is also quite the horsefeathers too. Taunting crowds after the game is over against at least Indiana and UM

[UMFan83]

Blind Resume time....how would you rank these teams? Yes Michigan is one of them and yes they are probably easy to pick out but try to be objective

 

[bukie]

I'd probably rank them C-H-A-D-B-E-G-F

[UMFan83]

I'd probably rank them C-H-A-D-B-E-G-F

 

For you, the identities of the teams and where they sit currently on Bracket Matrix:

 

 

Team A: TCU - 9 seed

Team B: Wake Forest - 9 seed

Team C: Colorado State - 8 seed

Team D: Michigan - 11 seed (last bye)

Team E: Indiana - 12 seed (4th to last team in)

Team F: Memphis - 12 seed (last team in)

Team G Miami Fl - 10 seed

Team H: Wyoming - 9 seed

 

So based on bracket matrix it would be C-H-A-B-G-D-E-F, so fairly close

 

[soccer10k]

What a wild day. The top 6 teams in the AP Poll all lost plus #9 Texas Tech. Going to go out on a limb and guess the top 6 teams have never all lost on the same day before. I wouldn’t be surprised if the top 6 teams haven’t all lost in the same week before.