Week 4: Bears vs Lions

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Nagy's had repeated chances to prove that he can produce a useful NFL offense and failed every one of them.

 

But he's not The One Thing Holding Us Back.

 

Nagy didn't even try, but you can't really scheme around an offensive line performing as bad as this one did. And our skill position players have a few bright spots (Montgomery, Robinson) but not a ton of depth. And our QB options are a broken-down retread who was never that great to begin with, or an unpolished rookie who clearly isn't ready.

 

And we only have 29 players under contract for next season, with no first or fourth round pick.

 

And the guy who orchestrated all of these problems is still in charge.

 

This is a bad franchise with every reason to believe it will continue to be bad, unless Fields is everything you guys hope and drags them kicking and screaming into acceptableness.

[raw]

 

Mark me down in the (apparently) unpopular camp of wanting Dalton/Foles until Nagy is gone. Nagy will ruin Fields, I have no doubts about it.

Totally agree. It’s way too complicated to learn the offense coupled with a bad OL - and he’s gonna get killed.

I think both of those points are a bunch of loaded BS. Seriously take a step back and look at the line running the same offense last year that wasn't very good and managed a 5.5 sack rate, middle of road. There are actually some solutions for the line issues from yesterday. Why the hell some of those solutions weren't employed, or barely at all, I don't know, but I think people are letting a horrific edge of the bell curve day from the line do a little bit too much heavy lifting for a line that played about as expected the first two games. Obviously the line personnel is a bit different than last years personnel, but not by that much.

 

This! There are worse OLs in the league. The Bears themselves have had worse, as recently as last year. And neither last year's Bears or historically worse OLs have managed only 47 yards in a full football game.

[raw]

Nagy's had repeated chances to prove that he can produce a useful NFL offense and failed every one of them.

 

But he's not The One Thing Holding Us Back.

 

Nagy didn't even try, but you can't really scheme around an offensive line performing as bad as this one did. And our skill position players have a few bright spots (Montgomery, Robinson) but not a ton of depth. And our QB options are a broken-down retread who was never that great to begin with, or an unpolished rookie who clearly isn't ready.

 

And we only have 29 players under contract for next season, with no first or fourth round pick.

 

And the guy who orchestrated all of these problems is still in charge.

 

This is a bad franchise with every reason to believe it will continue to be bad, unless Fields is everything you guys hope and drags them kicking and screaming into acceptableness.

 

Now this is a post I can agree with. I actually think Nagy can be an acceptable coach (in a Tony Dungy situation where he's the figurehead that lets his coordinators call the shots on gameday). And I think Pace could be an acceptable GM based on talent evaluation, if he starts valuing draft picks. But they are both problems, but they aren't the only problems. There's problems everywhere. I don't think they're disasterous problems, but obviously they will continue to be problems without serious changes in philosophies.

[WrigleyField 22]

Nagy's had repeated chances to prove that he can produce a useful NFL offense and failed every one of them.

 

But he's not The One Thing Holding Us Back.

 

Nagy didn't even try, but you can't really scheme around an offensive line performing as bad as this one did. And our skill position players have a few bright spots (Montgomery, Robinson) but not a ton of depth. And our QB options are a broken-down retread who was never that great to begin with, or an unpolished rookie who clearly isn't ready.

 

And we only have 29 players under contract for next season, with no first or fourth round pick.

 

And the guy who orchestrated all of these problems is still in charge.

 

This is a bad franchise with every reason to believe it will continue to be bad, unless Fields is everything you guys hope and drags them kicking and screaming into acceptableness.

 

Now this is a post I can agree with. I actually think Nagy can be an acceptable coach (in a Tony Dungy situation where he's the figurehead that lets his coordinators call the shots on gameday). And I think Pace could be an acceptable GM based on talent evaluation, if he starts valuing draft picks. But they are both problems, but they aren't the only problems. There's problems everywhere. I don't think they're disasterous problems, but obviously they will continue to be problems without serious changes in philosophies.

Maybe they'll figure it out with their next franchises and a part from each other.

 

The absolute best case outlook for each of them is that their collaboration line was even more BS than we realized. How does the GM decide to keep Graham at 7M to be used like he is by his head coach? Sure seems like they forgot to collaborate on that one.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Nagy's had repeated chances to prove that he can produce a useful NFL offense and failed every one of them.

 

But he's not The One Thing Holding Us Back.

 

Nagy didn't even try, but you can't really scheme around an offensive line performing as bad as this one did. And our skill position players have a few bright spots (Montgomery, Robinson) but not a ton of depth. And our QB options are a broken-down retread who was never that great to begin with, or an unpolished rookie who clearly isn't ready.

 

And we only have 29 players under contract for next season, with no first or fourth round pick.

 

And the guy who orchestrated all of these problems is still in charge.

 

This is a bad franchise with every reason to believe it will continue to be bad, unless Fields is everything you guys hope and drags them kicking and screaming into acceptableness.

 

Now this is a post I can agree with. I actually think Nagy can be an acceptable coach (in a Tony Dungy situation where he's the figurehead that lets his coordinators call the shots on gameday). And I think Pace could be an acceptable GM based on talent evaluation, if he starts valuing draft picks. But they are both problems, but they aren't the only problems. There's problems everywhere. I don't think they're disasterous problems, but obviously they will continue to be problems without serious changes in philosophies.

Maybe they'll figure it out with their next franchises and a part from each other.

 

The absolute best case outlook for each of them is that their collaboration line was even more BS than we realized. How does the GM decide to keep Graham at 7M to be used like he is by his head coach? Sure seems like they forgot to collaborate on that one.

 

 

oh horsefeathers this.

 

Nagy had say in the personal decisions, Pace definitely worked with him. He likely had to as ownership probably said to them both "figure it out or get lost". And Foles is an excellent example of Nagy wanting his guy and Pace going after him. They picked up Andy Dalton because they had no QB because the two collectively decided to blame Trubisky for his average play (which, BTW, would look better then what Dalton has shown) rather then looking at themselves.

 

They suck. They communicate just fine, but they suck at what they need to excel at. Evaluating College talent (one of Pace's better qualities) is a lot different then sitting across the table for a coach who has a noose around his neck and saying "look, Matt, horsefeathers Foles. Figure it out with Trubisky" and that is something Pace HAD to do. Once he doesn't do that, they both end up chasing their horsefeathering tails decision after decision. jimmy Graham sticks around forever. Quinn was hurt, that's clear now, so Pace gets the benefit of that decision. But Dalton was something they BOTH had to do because they BOTH walked themselves into it.

 

Imagine if they had picked up the 5th year on Mitch. Yea, he would be average - but better then Andy Dalton and his 5 yards per pass attempt. Had they done that, the best thing is they would have him on a contract year and still being able to draft Fields. They could have done that. Yea, it shouts "we aren't committed to Mitch" but you know what, why should any team be committed to a QB who isnt QB1 of the league and not on the wrong side of 30? Why not draft to that position repeatedly until you have that guy?

 

Instead, we have [expletive] A and [expletive] B making moves and decisions to try and preserve their careers. Which is why they will lose their careers.

[minnesotacubsfan]

also, the Tony Dungy scenario is hilarious and ignores what he actually did in TB which was develop a Super Bowl roster only to lose it (probably because of racism) to lil Chucky., So, he turned around and ultimately did it again (albeit with the leagues QB1) in Indy by building their Tampa 2 up. He did it TWICE. Matt horsefeathering Nagy will never do that 1 time.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Nagy's had repeated chances to prove that he can produce a useful NFL offense and failed every one of them.

 

But he's not The One Thing Holding Us Back.

 

Nagy didn't even try, but you can't really scheme around an offensive line performing as bad as this one did. And our skill position players have a few bright spots (Montgomery, Robinson) but not a ton of depth. And our QB options are a broken-down retread who was never that great to begin with, or an unpolished rookie who clearly isn't ready.

 

And we only have 29 players under contract for next season, with no first or fourth round pick.

 

And the guy who orchestrated all of these problems is still in charge.

 

This is a bad franchise with every reason to believe it will continue to be bad, unless Fields is everything you guys hope and drags them kicking and screaming into acceptableness.

 

Now this is a post I can agree with. I actually think Nagy can be an acceptable coach (in a Tony Dungy situation where he's the figurehead that lets his coordinators call the shots on gameday). And I think Pace could be an acceptable GM based on talent evaluation, if he starts valuing draft picks. But they are both problems, but they aren't the only problems. There's problems everywhere. I don't think they're disasterous problems, but obviously they will continue to be problems without serious changes in philosophies.

Maybe they'll figure it out with their next franchises and a part from each other.

 

The absolute best case outlook for each of them is that their collaboration line was even more BS than we realized. How does the GM decide to keep Graham at 7M to be used like he is by his head coach? Sure seems like they forgot to collaborate on that one.

There has to be a disconnect between the 2. Not only what you mentioned with Graham; for fucks sake, Pace used his highest pick in 2020 on a guy who thus far has 12 targets in the first 3 games of his 2nd year, and just 5 over the last 2 games. Pace is trying to force his hand to utilize TE, loading up the roster with them, and Nagy just refuses to capitulate and just digs his heels in even deeper.

 

Kmet is gonna be another Olsen. Just watch. Maybe not equal caliber. But I bet this is a guy who can be very productive in a system that emphasizes TE production.

 

I mean everybody knows they are a young QBs favorite security blanket. horsefeathering get him involved.

[Sosa21MVP]

I have tickets to this game. I expect either a victory or horrific catastrophe or could it be both things at once? :-k

[BigSlick]

This is my first Bears game ever. Moderately excited.

 

Given it will be my first in person game, I’m assuming something really stupid like “Nick Foles starts” happens

[jersey cubs fan]

This is my first Bears game ever. Moderately excited.

 

Given it will be my first in person game, I’m assuming something really stupid like “Nick Foles starts” happens

You picked a hell of a week to stop sniffing glue

[raw]

also, the Tony Dungy scenario is hilarious and ignores what he actually did in TB which was develop a Super Bowl roster only to lose it (probably because of racism) to lil Chucky., So, he turned around and ultimately did it again (albeit with the leagues QB1) in Indy by building their Tampa 2 up. He did it TWICE. Matt horsefeathering Nagy will never do that 1 time.

 

I mean, the point wasn't about Nagy having Dungy's career success just having his style of coaching, lead the team while letting young coordinators develop into star coaching prospects and get credit for it.

 

Edit: not hating on Dungy because it was his defense that the coordinators taught/coached. But I think Nagy could teach his offense and someone else have more success with it by simply having a better feel for the game (Lazor already did this against poor competition).

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Now this is a post I can agree with. I actually think Nagy can be an acceptable coach (in a Tony Dungy situation where he's the figurehead that lets his coordinators call the shots on gameday). And I think Pace could be an acceptable GM based on talent evaluation, if he starts valuing draft picks. But they are both problems, but they aren't the only problems. There's problems everywhere. I don't think they're disasterous problems, but obviously they will continue to be problems without serious changes in philosophies.

Maybe they'll figure it out with their next franchises and a part from each other.

 

The absolute best case outlook for each of them is that their collaboration line was even more BS than we realized. How does the GM decide to keep Graham at 7M to be used like he is by his head coach? Sure seems like they forgot to collaborate on that one.

There has to be a disconnect between the 2. Not only what you mentioned with Graham; for horsefeathers sake, Pace used his highest pick in 2020 on a guy who thus far has 12 targets in the first 3 games of his 2nd year, and just 5 over the last 2 games. Pace is trying to force his hand to utilize TE, loading up the roster with them, and Nagy just refuses to capitulate and just digs his heels in even deeper.

 

Kmet is gonna be another Olsen. Just watch. Maybe not equal caliber. But I bet this is a guy who can be very productive in a system that emphasizes TE production.

 

I mean everybody knows they are a young QBs favorite security blanket. horsefeathering get him involved.

Eh as it relates to Kmet there's a good chance he's just not good. I mean, at least he's taking up snaps.

[UMFan83]

This guy again….he’s speculating based on what he heard within Halas Hall that Nagy could be fired if he loses to the Lions.

 

 

I don’t think that would happen but who knows

[WrigleyField 22]

This guy again….he’s speculating based on what he heard within Halas Hall that Nagy could be fired if he loses to the Lions.

 

 

I don’t think that would happen but who knows

Well I think we know for sure none of his supposed connections is McCaskey. I feel pretty sure thats the only pulse that matters in this situation.

 

I suppose style points may matter here though. I definitely am on the side of believing that the whole "McCakseys won't do a mid-season firing" thing isn't actually a thing. But certainly a week 4 firing isn't the same as a week 10 firing or something.

[WrigleyField 22]

Someone's trying to have fun and updated Pettine's wikipedia page...

[champaignchris]

This guy again….he’s speculating based on what he heard within Halas Hall that Nagy could be fired if he loses to the Lions.

 

 

I don’t think that would happen but who knows

 

If they struggle to score 20 points and get 200 yards against this Lions defense, you’d almost have to do something.

[Soul]

This guy again….he’s speculating based on what he heard within Halas Hall that Nagy could be fired if he loses to the Lions.

 

 

I don’t think that would happen but who knows

 

If they struggle to score 20 points and get 200 yards against this Lions defense, you’d almost have to do something.

 

Short of firing Nagy (which I'm doubtful would happen), I'll speculate that Pace pulls Nagy aside and tells him, look you need to stop calling the plays.

 

I mean, surely Pace saw the difference last year once it wasn't Nagy calling the plays! He's the guy who needs to recognize that and take action. Otherwise who will? If it's the McCaskeys that need to reach down to the HC, bypassing the GM, then that tells you all you need to know about these guys. But I just can't see a mid-season firing because it's never happened.

[Brian707]

I have tickets to this game. I expect either a victory or horrific catastrophe or could it be both things at once? :-k

 

I'm going to the game as well. If they are down 14-0 or something like that at halftime, the pitchforks will be out

[minnesotacubsfan]

It's the Lions. They'll beat them but it will be the type of game where the Bears win, but no one is reassured they have anything figured out.

[UMFan83]

It's the Lions. They'll beat them but it will be the type of game where the Bears win, but no one is reassured they have anything figured out.

 

Feels like a 20-14 game where the Bears either score a defensive TD, or the defense gets a turnover to give the offense a very short field to score a TD. The game will end with the Lions driving down the field getting inside the 10 yard line before a last second pass is broken up.

[sneakypower]

Lions D very surprisingly kinda kept Ravens offense in check but there was also this

 

[Brian707]

Yeah the Ravens had a letdown game after beating KC the week before

[UMFan83]

Yeah the Ravens had a letdown game after beating KC the week before

 

They still gained almost 400 yards of offense in the game which the Bears have only done once in their last 17 games and 4 times since the start of 2019 (for comparison's sake, the Chiefs have gotten 400 yards of offense 22 times in that span, and 4 more games with at least 395 yards of offense)

[UMFan83]

 

Probably either to announce whoever is starting at QB this week or maybe announcing he’s giving up playcalling duties.

[BigbadB]

 

Probably either to announce whoever is starting at QB this week or maybe announcing he’s giving up playcalling duties.

 

I'd also be okay with him announcing that he's stepping down because he's now recognizing that he isn't talented enough to coach an NFL team. I'll hold out hope for that until it's something much more lame, like Dalton starting.