College Football - Bowl Games

[Old Style]

Hugh Freeze just signed a 5 year deal with Liberty to be their HC. Match made in heaven: Southern Baptist hypocrite gets to now coach at a school founded and run by Southern Baptist hypocrites.

Their AD is the AD from Baylor when they covered up a horsefeathers ton of rapes by football players.

[OleMissCub]

Hugh Freeze just signed a 5 year deal with Liberty to be their HC. Match made in heaven: Southern Baptist hypocrite gets to now coach at a school founded and run by Southern Baptist hypocrites.

Their AD is the AD from Baylor when they covered up a horsefeathers ton of rapes by football players.

 

Pretty scummy group they have there. Their football facilities are apparently crazy nice. Liberty gets like $50 million a month in donations or something stupid like that. Their endowment is 1.2 billion, which is twice that of Old Miss. I suspect with those kind of resources, he might make them into a pretty competitive Sunbelt team.

[jersey cubs fan]

[Derwood]

Jim Delaney is considering eliminating divisions in the Big Ten

[NewUserName]

Jim Delaney is considering eliminating divisions in the Big Ten

 

This actually makes a lot of sense

[Rex Buckingham]

Jim Delaney is considering eliminating divisions in the Big Ten

 

This actually makes a lot of sense

 

Would make it more likely that the best teams play in the title game. Would be interesting to see how they work the schedules.

[bcl412]

A title game with no divisions looks odd structurally to me

[Derwood]

A title game with no divisions looks odd structurally to me

 

Big XII does it

[bcl412]

A title game with no divisions looks odd structurally to me

 

Big XII does it

 

I know. And it feels odd. You already had a round robin tournament that should have decided the champion.

 

I know why they play a championship. It just looks less tidy to me without divisions

[Derwood]

A title game with no divisions looks odd structurally to me

 

Big XII does it

 

I know. And it feels odd. You already had a round robin tournament that should have decided the champion.

 

I know why they play a championship. It just looks less tidy to me without divisions

 

The Big Ten East champ has won the Big Ten title game 5 straight years. Ohio State playing a 4 loss Northwestern instead of rematching with Michigan may have hurt their playoff chances

[SouthSideRyan]

A title game with no divisions looks odd structurally to me

 

Big XII does it

 

The Big XII plays a round robin schedule.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

A title game with no divisions looks odd structurally to me

 

Big XII does it

they only have like 5 teams

[jersey cubs fan]

https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/1072869606744707073

[OleMissCub]

An 8 team playoff is the most obvious thing ever. The five Power 5 champs, one G5 selection, and two at-large selections.

 

I've said it a million times on this board and I'm convinced it would be glorious. You have the four quarter final games all on New Years Day. They can rotate access bowls. A hypothetical for this year (using central time):

 

12pm: Peach Bowl - UCF (8) v Alabama (1)

3pm: Sugar Bowl - Michigan (7) v Clemson (2)

6pm: Fiesta Bowl - Ohio State (6) v Notre Dame (3)

9pm: Rose Bowl - Georgia (5) v Oklahoma (4)

 

And if any of these bowls have problems with one of their "traditional" tie-in's not being in their bowl or a problem with their bowl being on Jan 1st, then they can screw off.

 

That would be absolutely insane to have an all-day CFB

[SouthSideRyan]

The only benefit of an 8 team playoff is to the non P5 school if they were guaranteed a spot which seems...uncertain. It would be much more logical to make sure every 3 loss SEC team automatically makes it.

[UMFan83]

An 8 team playoff is the most obvious thing ever. The five Power 5 champs, one G5 selection, and two at-large selections.

 

I've said it a million times on this board and I'm convinced it would be glorious. You have the four quarter final games all on New Years Day. They can rotate access bowls. A hypothetical for this year (using central time):

 

12pm: Peach Bowl - UCF (8) v Alabama (1)

3pm: Sugar Bowl - Michigan (7) v Clemson (2)

6pm: Fiesta Bowl - Ohio State (6) v Notre Dame (3)

9pm: Rose Bowl - Georgia (5) v Oklahoma (4)

 

And if any of these bowls have problems with one of their "traditional" tie-in's not being in their bowl or a problem with their bowl being on Jan 1st, then they can screw off.

 

That would be absolutely insane to have an all-day CFB

 

Yeah I love going this route and that structure. I would put some sort of condition though that the G5 team has to be in the top 20 or something to get a bid, otherwise its a 3rd at large team. I realize that this could make it so that the committee can artificially rank a G5 team lower to keep them out of the playoff, but I think top 20 is enough of a cushion where if an undefeated UCF wasn't in the top 20 it would cause significant uproar. Also doing so ensures that the G5 teams are still incentivized to seek out non-conference games against P5 teams.

 

I would also seed the P5 champs and G5 team 1-6 and the wild cards automatically 7-8. If you don't want to play Bama in the first round, win your conference. Also, ND doesn't want to be seeded 7th or 8th or thinks its unfair that they have less of a chance of making it to the playoff? Join a conference fully. Also your scenario didn't include a Pac-12 team. My scenario would look like this:

 

8 Georgia vs. 1 Alabama

7 Notre Dame vs. 2 Clemson

6 UCF vs. 3 Oklahoma

5 Washington vs. 4 Ohio State

[Derwood]

I don't love auto-bids for P5 champs. I don't want a 9-4 Oklahoma St. team taking a spot away from an 11-1 SEC runner up.

 

FWIW, I hate auto-bids from conference tourneys in the NCAA tournament as well (the auto-bids should go to regular season champs, not conference champs)

[soccer10k]

I would also seed the P5 champs and G5 team 1-6 and the wild cards automatically 7-8. If you don't want to play Bama in the first round, win your conference. Also, ND doesn't want to be seeded 7th or 8th or thinks its unfair that they have less of a chance of making it to the playoff? Join a conference fully. Also your scenario didn't include a Pac-12 team. My scenario would look like this:

 

8 Georgia vs. 1 Alabama

7 Notre Dame vs. 2 Clemson

6 UCF vs. 3 Oklahoma

5 Washington vs. 4 Ohio State

 

Then you’re potentially screwing over the No. 1 seed by making them play a much tougher team than they could be.

[UMFan83]

I would also seed the P5 champs and G5 team 1-6 and the wild cards automatically 7-8. If you don't want to play Bama in the first round, win your conference. Also, ND doesn't want to be seeded 7th or 8th or thinks its unfair that they have less of a chance of making it to the playoff? Join a conference fully. Also your scenario didn't include a Pac-12 team. My scenario would look like this:

 

8 Georgia vs. 1 Alabama

7 Notre Dame vs. 2 Clemson

6 UCF vs. 3 Oklahoma

5 Washington vs. 4 Ohio State

 

Then you’re potentially screwing over the No. 1 seed by making them play a much tougher team than they could be.

 

Yeah I know, its not a perfect solution and I'm not married to that part of it. But if the first round sites are played at the higher seed's stadium, that certainly gives the higher seed quite an advantage.

[Andy]

An 8 team playoff is the most obvious thing ever. The five Power 5 champs, one G5 selection, and two at-large selections.

 

I've said it a million times on this board and I'm convinced it would be glorious. You have the four quarter final games all on New Years Day. They can rotate access bowls. A hypothetical for this year (using central time):

 

12pm: Peach Bowl - UCF (8) v Alabama (1)

3pm: Sugar Bowl - Michigan (7) v Clemson (2)

6pm: Fiesta Bowl - Ohio State (6) v Notre Dame (3)

9pm: Rose Bowl - Georgia (5) v Oklahoma (4)

 

And if any of these bowls have problems with one of their "traditional" tie-in's not being in their bowl or a problem with their bowl being on Jan 1st, then they can screw off.

 

That would be absolutely insane to have an all-day CFB

 

Yeah I love going this route and that structure. I would put some sort of condition though that the G5 team has to be in the top 20 or something to get a bid, otherwise its a 3rd at large team. I realize that this could make it so that the committee can artificially rank a G5 team lower to keep them out of the playoff, but I think top 20 is enough of a cushion where if an undefeated UCF wasn't in the top 20 it would cause significant uproar. Also doing so ensures that the G5 teams are still incentivized to seek out non-conference games against P5 teams.

 

I would also seed the P5 champs and G5 team 1-6 and the wild cards automatically 7-8. If you don't want to play Bama in the first round, win your conference. Also, ND doesn't want to be seeded 7th or 8th or thinks its unfair that they have less of a chance of making it to the playoff? Join a conference fully. Also your scenario didn't include a Pac-12 team. My scenario would look like this:

 

8 Georgia vs. 1 Alabama

7 Notre Dame vs. 2 Clemson

6 UCF vs. 3 Oklahoma

5 Washington vs. 4 Ohio State

For the horsefeathering life of me I don't understand the 'let's screw over ND for no reason to make them join a conference' attitude that permeates everybody. ND played 10 Power 5 teams this year, which is at least as many as the vast majority of any other Power 5 teams played (Clemson played 11 and I think Ohio State did too, but rarely does anyone play more than 10). Why does it matter if ND's 10 happen to be in 4 or 5 different conferences rather than a maximum of 2? Why does that justify seeding horsefeathering Washington, they of the 8-3 record against Power 5 teams, over an ND team that went 10-0 against them?

 

Here's a looney-tunes idea: If you're going to have 8, seed them in order of how good they are, not based on some stupid arbitrary distinction like 'they won their TV cartel's championship'. Of course, the only reason we're even going to get 8 is because some conferences are pissed off they're not getting enough preferential treatment, so I expect your idea will take hold somehow.

[UMFan83]

An 8 team playoff is the most obvious thing ever. The five Power 5 champs, one G5 selection, and two at-large selections.

 

I've said it a million times on this board and I'm convinced it would be glorious. You have the four quarter final games all on New Years Day. They can rotate access bowls. A hypothetical for this year (using central time):

 

12pm: Peach Bowl - UCF (8) v Alabama (1)

3pm: Sugar Bowl - Michigan (7) v Clemson (2)

6pm: Fiesta Bowl - Ohio State (6) v Notre Dame (3)

9pm: Rose Bowl - Georgia (5) v Oklahoma (4)

 

And if any of these bowls have problems with one of their "traditional" tie-in's not being in their bowl or a problem with their bowl being on Jan 1st, then they can screw off.

 

That would be absolutely insane to have an all-day CFB

 

Yeah I love going this route and that structure. I would put some sort of condition though that the G5 team has to be in the top 20 or something to get a bid, otherwise its a 3rd at large team. I realize that this could make it so that the committee can artificially rank a G5 team lower to keep them out of the playoff, but I think top 20 is enough of a cushion where if an undefeated UCF wasn't in the top 20 it would cause significant uproar. Also doing so ensures that the G5 teams are still incentivized to seek out non-conference games against P5 teams.

 

I would also seed the P5 champs and G5 team 1-6 and the wild cards automatically 7-8. If you don't want to play Bama in the first round, win your conference. Also, ND doesn't want to be seeded 7th or 8th or thinks its unfair that they have less of a chance of making it to the playoff? Join a conference fully. Also your scenario didn't include a Pac-12 team. My scenario would look like this:

 

8 Georgia vs. 1 Alabama

7 Notre Dame vs. 2 Clemson

6 UCF vs. 3 Oklahoma

5 Washington vs. 4 Ohio State

For the horsefeathering life of me I don't understand the 'let's screw over ND for no reason to make them join a conference' attitude that permeates everybody. ND played 10 Power 5 teams this year, which is at least as many as the vast majority of any other Power 5 teams played (Clemson played 11 and I think Ohio State did too, but rarely does anyone play more than 10). Why does it matter if ND's 10 happen to be in 4 or 5 different conferences rather than a maximum of 2? Why does that justify seeding horsefeathering Washington, they of the 8-3 record against Power 5 teams, over an ND team that went 10-0 against them?

 

Here's a looney-tunes idea: If you're going to have 8, seed them in order of how good they are, not based on some stupid arbitrary distinction like 'they won their TV cartel's championship'. Of course, the only reason we're even going to get 8 is because some conferences are pissed off they're not getting enough preferential treatment, so I expect your idea will take hold somehow.

 

lol I just think if we have this conference setup and all but 4 teams (I think) play in a division that leads to a championship, that championship should mean something. In basketball its an autobid to the NCAA tournament. Same thing here (at least for P5). It's just stupid to make some special accommodations for basically 1 team because they just have to play Navy every year. If you want to be different for the sake of tradition fine, but since the rest of college football plays under different rules you might get screwed somehow.

[Andy]

 

Yeah I love going this route and that structure. I would put some sort of condition though that the G5 team has to be in the top 20 or something to get a bid, otherwise its a 3rd at large team. I realize that this could make it so that the committee can artificially rank a G5 team lower to keep them out of the playoff, but I think top 20 is enough of a cushion where if an undefeated UCF wasn't in the top 20 it would cause significant uproar. Also doing so ensures that the G5 teams are still incentivized to seek out non-conference games against P5 teams.

 

I would also seed the P5 champs and G5 team 1-6 and the wild cards automatically 7-8. If you don't want to play Bama in the first round, win your conference. Also, ND doesn't want to be seeded 7th or 8th or thinks its unfair that they have less of a chance of making it to the playoff? Join a conference fully. Also your scenario didn't include a Pac-12 team. My scenario would look like this:

 

8 Georgia vs. 1 Alabama

7 Notre Dame vs. 2 Clemson

6 UCF vs. 3 Oklahoma

5 Washington vs. 4 Ohio State

For the horsefeathering life of me I don't understand the 'let's screw over ND for no reason to make them join a conference' attitude that permeates everybody. ND played 10 Power 5 teams this year, which is at least as many as the vast majority of any other Power 5 teams played (Clemson played 11 and I think Ohio State did too, but rarely does anyone play more than 10). Why does it matter if ND's 10 happen to be in 4 or 5 different conferences rather than a maximum of 2? Why does that justify seeding horsefeathering Washington, they of the 8-3 record against Power 5 teams, over an ND team that went 10-0 against them?

 

Here's a looney-tunes idea: If you're going to have 8, seed them in order of how good they are, not based on some stupid arbitrary distinction like 'they won their TV cartel's championship'. Of course, the only reason we're even going to get 8 is because some conferences are pissed off they're not getting enough preferential treatment, so I expect your idea will take hold somehow.

 

lol I just think if we have this conference setup and all but 4 teams (I think) play in a division that leads to a championship, that championship should mean something. In basketball its an autobid to the NCAA tournament. Same thing here (at least for P5). It's just stupid to make some special accommodations for basically 1 team because they just have to play Navy every year. If you want to be different for the sake of tradition fine, but since the rest of college football plays under different rules you might get screwed somehow.

They're literally the only team in the Power 5 that pretty much isn't allowed to lose a game. Everyone else gets a freebie extra game at the end if they're good enough to be in contention. I'd say that's plenty enough of a disadvantage without rigging the seedings of a playoff for no real reason. Clemson should get to play a Washington or something in the 1st round of this thing rather than an unbeaten team

[Transmogrified Tiger]

- Have P5 teams only schedule each other

- Ensure everyone is playing the same number of conference games

- Expand the playoff to your comfort(8-12 teams)

 

I'm not super well versed in CFB financials but I assume this is a mild money-loser(fewer total home games offsets paid guarantees to minnows + improved attendance in home games against P5 schools), but if UCF can play in the 'best' non-P5 league and not make the playoff when undefeated 2 years running, I get motivated for them to just drop the charade.

[UMFan83]

For the horsefeathering life of me I don't understand the 'let's screw over ND for no reason to make them join a conference' attitude that permeates everybody. ND played 10 Power 5 teams this year, which is at least as many as the vast majority of any other Power 5 teams played (Clemson played 11 and I think Ohio State did too, but rarely does anyone play more than 10). Why does it matter if ND's 10 happen to be in 4 or 5 different conferences rather than a maximum of 2? Why does that justify seeding horsefeathering Washington, they of the 8-3 record against Power 5 teams, over an ND team that went 10-0 against them?

 

Here's a looney-tunes idea: If you're going to have 8, seed them in order of how good they are, not based on some stupid arbitrary distinction like 'they won their TV cartel's championship'. Of course, the only reason we're even going to get 8 is because some conferences are pissed off they're not getting enough preferential treatment, so I expect your idea will take hold somehow.

 

lol I just think if we have this conference setup and all but 4 teams (I think) play in a division that leads to a championship, that championship should mean something. In basketball its an autobid to the NCAA tournament. Same thing here (at least for P5). It's just stupid to make some special accommodations for basically 1 team because they just have to play Navy every year. If you want to be different for the sake of tradition fine, but since the rest of college football plays under different rules you might get screwed somehow.

They're literally the only team in the Power 5 that pretty much isn't allowed to lose a game. Everyone else gets a freebie extra game at the end if they're good enough to be in contention. I'd say that's plenty enough of a disadvantage without rigging the seedings of a playoff for no real reason. Clemson should get to play a Washington or something in the 1st round of this thing rather than an unbeaten team

 

Wouldnt you rather fix the former problem rather than the latter? You seem to be upset about the seedings proposal but both problems would be fixed if you just joined the damn ACC like all of your other sports.

[ConstableRabbit]

An 8 team playoff is the most obvious thing ever. The five Power 5 champs, one G5 selection, and two at-large selections.

 

I've said it a million times on this board and I'm convinced it would be glorious. You have the four quarter final games all on New Years Day. They can rotate access bowls. A hypothetical for this year (using central time):

 

12pm: Peach Bowl - UCF (8) v Alabama (1)

3pm: Sugar Bowl - Michigan (7) v Clemson (2)

6pm: Fiesta Bowl - Ohio State (6) v Notre Dame (3)

9pm: Rose Bowl - Georgia (5) v Oklahoma (4)

 

And if any of these bowls have problems with one of their "traditional" tie-in's not being in their bowl or a problem with their bowl being on Jan 1st, then they can screw off.

 

That would be absolutely insane to have an all-day CFB

 

Yeah I love going this route and that structure. I would put some sort of condition though that the G5 team has to be in the top 20 or something to get a bid, otherwise its a 3rd at large team. I realize that this could make it so that the committee can artificially rank a G5 team lower to keep them out of the playoff, but I think top 20 is enough of a cushion where if an undefeated UCF wasn't in the top 20 it would cause significant uproar. Also doing so ensures that the G5 teams are still incentivized to seek out non-conference games against P5 teams.

 

I would also seed the P5 champs and G5 team 1-6 and the wild cards automatically 7-8. If you don't want to play Bama in the first round, win your conference. Also, ND doesn't want to be seeded 7th or 8th or thinks its unfair that they have less of a chance of making it to the playoff? Join a conference fully. Also your scenario didn't include a Pac-12 team. My scenario would look like this:

 

8 Georgia vs. 1 Alabama

7 Notre Dame vs. 2 Clemson

6 UCF vs. 3 Oklahoma

5 Washington vs. 4 Ohio State

For the horsefeathering life of me I don't understand the 'let's screw over ND for no reason to make them join a conference' attitude that permeates everybody. ND played 10 Power 5 teams this year, which is at least as many as the vast majority of any other Power 5 teams played (Clemson played 11 and I think Ohio State did too, but rarely does anyone play more than 10). Why does it matter if ND's 10 happen to be in 4 or 5 different conferences rather than a maximum of 2? Why does that justify seeding horsefeathering Washington, they of the 8-3 record against Power 5 teams, over an ND team that went 10-0 against them?

 

Here's a looney-tunes idea: If you're going to have 8, seed them in order of how good they are, not based on some stupid arbitrary distinction like 'they won their TV cartel's championship'. Of course, the only reason we're even going to get 8 is because some conferences are pissed off they're not getting enough preferential treatment, so I expect your idea will take hold somehow.

Teams should play at least 10 P5 games or expect to be penalized.

 

Not to OMC this and make it all about my team but Northwestern played 11 Power 5 (+ND) teams in the regular season this year and has played at least 10 every season since 2012 (also played 11 that year).