Cubs trading Soler to KC for Wade Davis

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I'm fine with this development. I'm fine without it.

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Yes, yes...put Dusty in charge of that arm.

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Let them have him

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Has anybody actually reported its likely Soler. If Davis is a FA next year and has injury concerns it better be like Candelario & Caratini. Maybe Sczur.

 

We ain't getting Davis for that. People here might not like him, but MLB teams do.

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Has anybody actually reported its likely Soler. If Davis is a FA next year and has injury concerns it better be like Candelario & Caratini. Maybe Sczur.

 

Candelario and Caratini may very well be more valuable than Soler, especially if he's looked at as a DH. Hell, non zero chance Szczur and Soler are close in value, especially considering Soler isn't making league minimum.

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Wouldn't it be hilarious if Theo drove up the price on Davis so the Nats would overpay and then the Cubs land Jansen?

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Has anybody actually reported its likely Soler. If Davis is a FA next year and has injury concerns it better be like Candelario & Caratini. Maybe Sczur.

 

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Has anybody actually reported its likely Soler. If Davis is a FA next year and has injury concerns it better be like Candelario & Caratini. Maybe Sczur.

 

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I trust the FO and they deserve my benefit of the doubt but I hate that trade if those are the players involved. It would help if moving Soler frees up a spot to bring Fowler back though.

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In Theo we trust but I dont know why we dont just pay Chapman or Jansen. They are a huge difference maker when playoff time comes around & we dont have to trade assets for either.

 

The org has to be practically printing money, even Bloomberg has an article out of the Franchise being worth 4B soon.

Franchise value isn't directly correlated to actual current revenues.

Doesnt PTR have like a deed to the team he can bring in to the payday loan shop and get an advance?

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Jansen has been my favorite target (just above Fowler), but 5 years is a long time for a pitcher and especially if it's a reliever who has one pitch. He's the elitest of the elite right now, so you'd think that no matter what he'd be able to play a backend role somewhere in 5 years. But if they project him to be significantly less than elite for years 4 and 5 I could see not wanting the money committed there.

 

Not sure what's in the plans, but it seems like Otani, Harper, Trout, the whole 2019 class, extensions, and a bunch of top end pitchers you could eventually want to trade for are in versions of the future budget. Maybe not, but I could see a lot of scenarios where you don't want that much sunk into a closer.

 

One thing might just be that they don't want to have to treat the closer with kid's gloves. The Cubs and Dodgers both ran their closers out for multiple innings a lot. Would either have done that if they had 4 remaining years on their contracts? Or would you be able to do that a couple years from now? Cleveland did with Miller, but his deal is only 2 more years.

 

If this is the plan it would be great to get Colome too. Or some other young guy to develop for 2018+, along with CJ. If they ended up with a couple cost controlled guys in the pen it would at least be less risky if they're going to be try and continue the approach of only pitching 4 relievers in a playoff series.

 

Either way, for this year, you'd think Davis would be relied on a lot if healthy. I was curious how many innings he normally goes for in the playoffs. He pitched 14.1 innings in 12 games in the 2014 playoffs and 10.2 in 8 games in 2015. That's roughly 1.2 and 1.3 innings per game, respectively. For comparison, Jansen pitched 11.2 innings in 7 games (~1.7 per game), Miller pithed 19 innings in 10 games (~1.9), and Chapman had 15.6 in 13 game (~1.2) .

 

So in both playoffs he's been in so far, he's been used for roughly the same innings per game as Chapman was, although likely with different useage. (I didn't check multi-innings). So I'd wonder if he'd be up for the multi-inning thing in his age 31 walk year or not. Would be cool if they've already talked to him about it.

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Jansen has been my favorite target (just above Fowler), but 5 years is a long time for a pitcher and especially if it's a reliever who has one pitch. He's the elitest of the elite right now, so you'd think that no matter what he'd be able to play a backend role somewhere in 5 years. But if they project him to be significantly less than elite for years 4 and 5 I could see not wanting the money committed there.

 

Not sure what's in the plans, but it seems like Otani, Harper, Trout, the whole 2019 class, extensions, and a bunch of top end pitchers you could eventually want to trade for are in versions of the future budget. Maybe not, but I could see a lot of scenarios where you don't want that much sunk into a closer.

 

One thing might just be that they don't want to have to treat the closer with kid's gloves. The Cubs and Dodgers both ran their closers out for multiple innings a lot. Would either have done that if they had 4 remaining years on their contracts? Or would you be able to do that a couple years from now? Cleveland did with Miller, but his deal is only 2 more years.

 

If this is the plan it would be great to get Colome too. Or some other young guy to develop for 2018+, along with CJ. If they ended up with a couple cost controlled guys in the pen it would at least be less risky if they're going to be try and continue the approach of only pitching 4 relievers in a playoff series.

 

Either way, for this year, you'd think Davis would be relied on a lot if healthy. I was curious how many innings he normally goes for in the playoffs. He pitched 14.1 innings in 12 games in the 2014 playoffs and 10.2 in 8 games in 2015. That's roughly 1.2 and 1.3 innings per game, respectively. For comparison, Jansen pitched 11.2 innings in 7 games (~1.7 per game), Miller pithed 19 innings in 10 games (~1.9), and Chapman had 15.6 in 13 game (~1.2) .

 

So in both playoffs he's been in so far, he's been used for roughly the same innings per game as Chapman was, although likely with different useage. (I didn't check multi-innings). So I'd wonder if he'd be up for the multi-inning thing in his age 31 walk year or not. Would be cool if they've already talked to him about it.

 

Talking to a friend via a friend who works for a Tampa Bay newspaper and he thinks there's a strong chance that a Colome deal may happen not all too long after this Wade Davis situation plays itself out.

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Jansen has been my favorite target (just above Fowler), but 5 years is a long time for a pitcher and especially if it's a reliever who has one pitch. He's the elitest of the elite right now, so you'd think that no matter what he'd be able to play a backend role somewhere in 5 years. But if they project him to be significantly less than elite for years 4 and 5 I could see not wanting the money committed there.

 

Not sure what's in the plans, but it seems like Otani, Harper, Trout, the whole 2019 class, extensions, and a bunch of top end pitchers you could eventually want to trade for are in versions of the future budget. Maybe not, but I could see a lot of scenarios where you don't want that much sunk into a closer.

 

One thing might just be that they don't want to have to treat the closer with kid's gloves. The Cubs and Dodgers both ran their closers out for multiple innings a lot. Would either have done that if they had 4 remaining years on their contracts? Or would you be able to do that a couple years from now? Cleveland did with Miller, but his deal is only 2 more years.

 

If this is the plan it would be great to get Colome too. Or some other young guy to develop for 2018+, along with CJ. If they ended up with a couple cost controlled guys in the pen it would at least be less risky if they're going to be try and continue the approach of only pitching 4 relievers in a playoff series.

 

Either way, for this year, you'd think Davis would be relied on a lot if healthy. I was curious how many innings he normally goes for in the playoffs. He pitched 14.1 innings in 12 games in the 2014 playoffs and 10.2 in 8 games in 2015. That's roughly 1.2 and 1.3 innings per game, respectively. For comparison, Jansen pitched 11.2 innings in 7 games (~1.7 per game), Miller pithed 19 innings in 10 games (~1.9), and Chapman had 15.6 in 13 game (~1.2) .

 

So in both playoffs he's been in so far, he's been used for roughly the same innings per game as Chapman was, although likely with different useage. (I didn't check multi-innings). So I'd wonder if he'd be up for the multi-inning thing in his age 31 walk year or not. Would be cool if they've already talked to him about it.

 

Talking to a friend via a friend who works for a Tampa Bay newspaper and he thinks there's a strong chance that a Colome deal may happen not all too long after this Wade Davis situation plays itself out.

Tryp, could we reasonably part with a package that would net Colome and Honeywell?

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Jansen has been my favorite target (just above Fowler), but 5 years is a long time for a pitcher and especially if it's a reliever who has one pitch. He's the elitest of the elite right now, so you'd think that no matter what he'd be able to play a backend role somewhere in 5 years. But if they project him to be significantly less than elite for years 4 and 5 I could see not wanting the money committed there.

 

Not sure what's in the plans, but it seems like Otani, Harper, Trout, the whole 2019 class, extensions, and a bunch of top end pitchers you could eventually want to trade for are in versions of the future budget. Maybe not, but I could see a lot of scenarios where you don't want that much sunk into a closer.

 

One thing might just be that they don't want to have to treat the closer with kid's gloves. The Cubs and Dodgers both ran their closers out for multiple innings a lot. Would either have done that if they had 4 remaining years on their contracts? Or would you be able to do that a couple years from now? Cleveland did with Miller, but his deal is only 2 more years.

 

If this is the plan it would be great to get Colome too. Or some other young guy to develop for 2018+, along with CJ. If they ended up with a couple cost controlled guys in the pen it would at least be less risky if they're going to be try and continue the approach of only pitching 4 relievers in a playoff series.

 

Either way, for this year, you'd think Davis would be relied on a lot if healthy. I was curious how many innings he normally goes for in the playoffs. He pitched 14.1 innings in 12 games in the 2014 playoffs and 10.2 in 8 games in 2015. That's roughly 1.2 and 1.3 innings per game, respectively. For comparison, Jansen pitched 11.2 innings in 7 games (~1.7 per game), Miller pithed 19 innings in 10 games (~1.9), and Chapman had 15.6 in 13 game (~1.2) .

 

So in both playoffs he's been in so far, he's been used for roughly the same innings per game as Chapman was, although likely with different useage. (I didn't check multi-innings). So I'd wonder if he'd be up for the multi-inning thing in his age 31 walk year or not. Would be cool if they've already talked to him about it.

 

Talking to a friend via a friend who works for a Tampa Bay newspaper and he thinks there's a strong chance that a Colome deal may happen not all too long after this Wade Davis situation plays itself out.

Tryp, could we reasonably part with a package that would net Colome and Honeywell?

 

If one season of broken Wade Davis is going to cost Soler I don't see how it could possibly get done without involving at least one of Eloy or Baez.

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The Nationals finishing second again. :lol:

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horsefeathers. In Theo I trust, but don't like giving up Soler one bit for Davis.

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Seriously down the road but not completed tonight probably means at least one of the teams wants to dig deeper into medicals or do physicals. And with these two guys it could be both teams (Davis's arm and Jorge's hamstring).

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Damn it.

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horsefeathers. In Theo I trust, but don't like giving up Soler one bit for Davis.

I don't like it either, but it will be easier to swallow if the Cubs get the good, healthy Wade Davis for that one year.

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Seriously down the road but not completed tonight probably means at least one of the teams wants to dig deeper into medicals or do physicals. And with these two guys it could be both teams (Davis's arm and Jorge's hamstring).

Or the Royals are buying time for the Nats to improve their offer...

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This...is the worst tweet I've ever seen

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This...is the worst tweet I've ever seen

 

Phil legit thinks that since the meetings are in DC, they get to make the last offer on any deal.