General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

[Omar]

I do not recall him ever being more valuable than B. Harper? When was that?

 

S. Castro was pretty valuable after his 2011-12 seasons, and then had a bad year in 2013. He bounced back in 2014, but missed some time due to injuries. Then it was pretty much downhill from there...

 

I don't specifically recall the Harper comparison, but I believe it happened. Folks here were (understandably) really high on Castro and made a lot of optimistic predictions that he did not fulfill. One I recall is that Castro was "guaranteed" to be the next Jeter. Something along those lines.

 

We said the same thing about Ronny Cedeno.

[Geech]

I do not recall him ever being more valuable than B. Harper? When was that?

 

S. Castro was pretty valuable after his 2011-12 seasons, and then had a bad year in 2013. He bounced back in 2014, but missed some time due to injuries. Then it was pretty much downhill from there...

 

I don't specifically recall the Harper comparison, but I believe it happened. Folks here were (understandably) really high on Castro and made a lot of optimistic predictions that he did not fulfill. One I recall is that Castro was "guaranteed" to be the next Jeter. Something along those lines.

 

We said the same thing about Ronny Cedeno.

 

I'll have to take your word for that, although the Cedeno enthusiasm almost certainly never reached the levels of Castro enthusiasm.

[Sammy Sofa]

I do not recall him ever being more valuable than B. Harper? When was that?

 

S. Castro was pretty valuable after his 2011-12 seasons, and then had a bad year in 2013. He bounced back in 2014, but missed some time due to injuries. Then it was pretty much downhill from there...

 

I don't specifically recall the Harper comparison, but I believe it happened. Folks here were (understandably) really high on Castro and made a lot of optimistic predictions that he did not fulfill. One I recall is that Castro was "guaranteed" to be the next Jeter. Something along those lines.

 

We said the same thing about Ronny Cedeno.

 

[Andy]

I do not recall him ever being more valuable than B. Harper? When was that?

 

S. Castro was pretty valuable after his 2011-12 seasons, and then had a bad year in 2013. He bounced back in 2014, but missed some time due to injuries. Then it was pretty much downhill from there...

 

I don't specifically recall the Harper comparison, but I believe it happened. Folks here were (understandably) really high on Castro and made a lot of optimistic predictions that he did not fulfill. One I recall is that Castro was "guaranteed" to be the next Jeter. Something along those lines.

There was at least one person saying there were only 3-5 players in baseball for whom they'd trade Starlin (or something along those lines). It got a little crazy.

At one point there were 8 or 9 players projected by someone (BR maybe?) to have more WAR than Castro in the next 5 years or something and someone pointed it out. I remember agreeing with them. Oh well.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

I still have faith that Angel Guzman is going to put it all together soon.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I still have faith that Angel Guzman is going to put it all together soon.

 

Brooks Kieshnick might yet have 20 HRs and 20 saves in the same season.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I do not recall him ever being more valuable than B. Harper? When was that?

 

S. Castro was pretty valuable after his 2011-12 seasons, and then had a bad year in 2013. He bounced back in 2014, but missed some time due to injuries. Then it was pretty much downhill from there...

 

I don't specifically recall the Harper comparison, but I believe it happened. Folks here were (understandably) really high on Castro and made a lot of optimistic predictions that he did not fulfill. One I recall is that Castro was "guaranteed" to be the next Jeter. Something along those lines.

 

We said the same thing about Ronny Cedeno.

 

Not here.

[Omar]

Don't know what we'll do with Rizzo & Bryant with David Kelton & Brian Dopirak brewing in the minors.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Don't know what we'll do with Rizzo & Bryant with David Kelton & Brian Dopirak brewing in the minors.

 

Baseball Prospectus just dropped an Albert Pujols comp on Brendan Harris

[CubInOK]

Maybe Josh Vitters will take Schwarber's OF spot if Schwarber still can't hit.

[imb]

starlin looks amped (and a little bloated?)

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That is not a good look. I feel bad for him, but then again some team would've traded for him if he was a better player. He's just not that valuable anymore.

 

Remember when he was supposed to be a comparable or perhaps better value than Bryce Harper?

 

yes yes yes, im pretty sure it was sneaky, that poor bastard

[imb]

hahahahahah i found it

 

this thread is a trash fire

 

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/archive/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=59557

 

The only reason I remembered it was sneaky was because there was some other thread where he kept dismissing Trout's upside as Cesar Cedeno. Like normally you'd take a 50-war comparison as an upside, except trout has already eclipsed that total in 950 games (compared to Cedeno's 2000+)

[Banedon]

I'm very impressed that people remember these old threads. How the hell...

[Sammy Sofa]

Awww, I thought it was going to be the crazy "Cedeno is the next Jeter" talk that I don't think was actually a thing.

 

And I'm pretty sure the only reason I didn't post anything dumb in that thread was that I was very confused as to why everyone was getting so heated over Mike Carp.

[David]

I think there was another thread where the Castro/Harper value thing came up again. I think it was 2014 when Starlin was having a bounceback year and Harper was kinda crappy.

[ConstableRabbit]

The love for Starlin wasn't unwarranted. He was putting up 3 WAR seasons at 22 and was racking up hits as a SS with good raw defensive tools (albeit real flaws, as well). There was a not-that-unreasonable belief that he'd get close to 1,000 hits before turning 25, which would have been pretty exceptional -- counting stats be damned.

 

Unfortunately, he forgot how to play baseball, remembered briefly, then forgot again forever.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I think there was another thread where the Castro/Harper value thing came up again. I think it was 2014 when Starlin was having a bounceback year and Harper was kinda crappy.

 

I don't like calling out specific posts/threads, I think it's more fun in an "lol aren't we all dumb when we look back five years" sort of vibe. But that's the one I'm thinking of. I remember there being a chart with Harper vs. Castro surplus value comparison.

 

Edit: Alright fine fun starts here.

 

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/archive/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=61667&hilit=castro+harper&start=275

 

I'll even break my "no calling out specific posters" preference to point out that bukie wanted extra prospects thrown in on top of Kershaw to get Castro, only because bukie's always been kind of a dick.

[Sammy Sofa]

God, that seems like horsefeathering forever ago.

 

ETA: Castro+Baez+Almora/Soler for Harper would still be a bad trade for the Cubs, but it's not an immediate no.

[SpongeWorthy]

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[bukie]

I think there was another thread where the Castro/Harper value thing came up again. I think it was 2014 when Starlin was having a bounceback year and Harper was kinda crappy.

 

I don't like calling out specific posts/threads, I think it's more fun in an "lol aren't we all dumb when we look back five years" sort of vibe. But that's the one I'm thinking of. I remember there being a chart with Harper vs. Castro surplus value comparison.

 

Edit: Alright fine fun starts here.

 

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/archive/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=61667&hilit=castro+harper&start=275

 

I'll even break my "no calling out specific posters" preference to point out that bukie wanted extra prospects thrown in on top of Kershaw to get Castro, only because bukie's always been kind of a dick.

Good old hindsight. I don't thinl it's an unreasonable position to not be willing to trade a 22 year old all-star SS on a team-friendly deal for any pitcher straight up, particularly where his prpjections were at the time.

 

Still thinl they traded him for pennies on the dollar, and felt he's gotten a raw deal for the timing of his career (similar to Heyward).

 

And if calling you out repeatedly for your tired contrarian inane horsefeathers over the early Theo years is "being a dick", then, guilty as charged, I guess? You kind of earned it though.

[Derwood]

hahahahahah i found it

 

this thread is a trash fire

 

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/archive/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=59557

 

The only reason I remembered it was sneaky was because there was some other thread where he kept dismissing Trout's upside as Cesar Cedeno. Like normally you'd take a 50-war comparison as an upside, except trout has already eclipsed that total in 950 games (compared to Cedeno's 2000+)

 

When the Texas League stops propping up Trout's numbers, we'll finally see him for what he really is

[Bull]

I still have faith that Angel Guzman is going to put it all together soon.

 

Brooks Kieshnick might yet have 20 HRs and 20 saves in the same season.

I’ll see your Brooks Kieshnick and raise you an Andy Sisco. I was obsessed with his upside.

[Cubswin11]

Vitters is still a hitter to me, damn it!

[Derwood]

Ironically, one of the only good prospects from that long drought of badness was Jon Garland, who we traded away for Matt horsefeathering Karchner