Cole Hamels Traded to Rangers

[Little Slide Rooter]

@JonHeymanCBS: from price to thayer, 60 potential trade targets for this trading season. http://t.co/1ZpI4Xlltv

 

I don't know if the Phillies are actually willing to deal him, but if they are, we should be more than able. We have the money. We have the trade chips. And he's exactly what we need. He's 30 and under a monstrous contract through 2018 with an option for 2019, but if we plan to start spending next year, I can't think of a better way to start.

 

But what does the package look like? We can certainly absorb a pretty huge chunk of the salary, which should allow for a lesser prospect package, but it's still going to be a doozy.

[davell]

I'd love to get him, but I don't want to part with any of our top 100 types. It's Amaro, so I'd try to open with a package led by Travis Wood. Include Vogelbach, Pierce Johnson, and Vizcaino and see what he says.

[Cubswin11]

@JonHeymanCBS: from price to thayer, 60 potential trade targets for this trading season. http://t.co/1ZpI4Xlltv

 

I don't know if the Phillies are actually willing to deal him, but if they are, we should be more than able. We have the money. We have the trade chips. And he's exactly what we need. He's 30 and under a monstrous contract through 2018 with an option for 2019, but if we plan to start spending next year, I can't think of a better way to start.

 

But what does the package look like? We can certainly absorb a pretty huge chunk of the salary, which should allow for a lesser prospect package, but it's still going to be a doozy.

Amaro is probably right there with Towers when it comes to having no idea how they actually go about valuing their own players and other teams players.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Even if we were to absorb the entire salary, no way we're getting away without at least 1 of our shortstops. If the Phil's are dealing him, they're pretty much ready to start what we're hopefully finishing.

 

Even if we give up 1 of Baez/Russell/Alcantara and 1 of Almora/McKinney, our farm is still as strong as it was last week. Which is pretty sick.

[Guest]

Even if we were to absorb the entire salary, no way we're getting away without at least 1 of our shortstops. If the Phil's are dealing him, they're pretty much ready to start what we're hopefully finishing.

 

Even if we give up 1 of Baez/Russell/Alcantara and 1 of Almora/McKinney, our farm is still as strong as it was last week. Which is pretty sick.

 

no way i even consider including those first two names

[jersey cubs fan]

Even if we were to absorb the entire salary, no way we're getting away without at least 1 of our shortstops. If the Phil's are dealing him, they're pretty much ready to start what we're hopefully finishing.

 

Even if we give up 1 of Baez/Russell/Alcantara and 1 of Almora/McKinney, our farm is still as strong as it was last week. Which is pretty sick.

 

That's not really the market for very expensive players now though, is it? I see no reason to consider giving up 2 top prospects.

[SouthSideRyan]

Doesn't seem like our type of move.

[Guest]

Even if we were to absorb the entire salary, no way we're getting away without at least 1 of our shortstops. If the Phil's are dealing him, they're pretty much ready to start what we're hopefully finishing.

 

Even if we give up 1 of Baez/Russell/Alcantara and 1 of Almora/McKinney, our farm is still as strong as it was last week. Which is pretty sick.

 

That's not really the market for very expensive players now though, is it? I see no reason to consider giving up 2 top prospects.

 

ffs we could just go out and sign lester instead

 

it's not like hamels is on some value contract

[Cubswin11]

Even if we were to absorb the entire salary, no way we're getting away without at least 1 of our shortstops. If the Phil's are dealing him, they're pretty much ready to start what we're hopefully finishing.

 

Even if we give up 1 of Baez/Russell/Alcantara and 1 of Almora/McKinney, our farm is still as strong as it was last week. Which is pretty sick.

I'm not doing that for him. I'd say any of Bryant, Baez, Russell, Alcantara, Soler are untouchable in a trade for Hamels especially if we are taking on all of the salary. I'd do something like Amora, Jeimer and Villanueva for him.

[UK1679666180]

As SSR mentioned, it's not their style both in trading top prospects to get him, trading for a player on the wrong side of 30, combined with that higher contract.

 

The only one I find intriguing would be Detwiler and that would be for something marginal in return.

[EhDubya]

I'm not interested in bailing Amaro out, thanks.

[Guest]

I'm not interested in bailing Amaro out, thanks.

 

Bailing him out of what?

 

Hamels is really good and only signed through his age 34 season. If we can get him without giving up our top end guys, I'd be all for it.

 

It's like if we could give Lester a 4 year $94M deal. I'd do that in a second.

 

i realize it seems like my last two posts conflict with one another, but that's because we have one guy talking about trading top 5 prospects in the game and another talking about him like he's an albatross.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm not interested in bailing Amaro out, thanks.

 

Bailing him out of what?

 

Hamels is really good and only signed through his age 34 season. If we can get him without giving up our top end guys, I'd be all for it.

 

It's like if we could give Lester a 4 year $94M deal. I'd do that in a second.

 

i realize it seems like my last two posts conflict with one another, but that's because we have one guy talking about trading top 5 prospects in the game and another talking about him like he's an albatross.

 

Yeah, I'd be more than happy to see the Cubs bail him out of that contract, as long as taking on the contract is considered a substantial portion of the return in the trade. The Phillies aren't in trouble because they have Cole Hammels.

[EhDubya]

Meaning, I don't want to give the Phils guys like Baez and Almora to build on.

 

edit: did not see the Almora/Candelario/Villanueva one. Sure, in that case, go for it. I was responding to the earlier idea of including Baez.

Edited July 8, 2014 by EhDubya

[Rob]

No chance.

 

$22.5M for 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018. Plus a $20M option on 2019 (automatically vests with 400 IP in 2017-2018) that has a $6M buyout.

 

Hamels isn't exactly coming at a bargain over what a guy like Lester will cost. So why is he worth giving up top prospects for when we could just wait 3 months and acquire Lester? Maybe that makes sense for a contending team in the right spot, but the Cubs sure as hell aren't that.

[rawaction]

I'm not interested in bailing Amaro out, thanks.

 

Bailing him out of what?

 

Hamels is really good and only signed through his age 34 season. If we can get him without giving up our top end guys, I'd be all for it.

 

It's like if we could give Lester a 4 year $94M deal. I'd do that in a second.

 

i realize it seems like my last two posts conflict with one another, but that's because we have one guy talking about trading top 5 prospects in the game and another talking about him like he's an albatross.

 

4/94 seems like a lot, but it's really not when nobody else on the team is making any real money. And yeah, better get a prospect discount because of taking on his contract. And the Phillies are in a position where they just need young bodies somewhere on that team. I don't know that I'd give up Alcantara, but the Phils could really use a guy like him with some versatility and hopefully become what a young Jimmy Rollins was as a hitter.

[Guest]

No chance.

 

$22.5M for 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018. Plus a $20M option on 2019 (automatically vests with 400 IP in 2017-2018) that has a $6M buyout.

 

Hamels isn't exactly coming at a bargain over what a guy like Lester will cost. So why is he worth giving up top prospects for when we could just wait 3 months and acquire Lester? Maybe that makes sense for a contending team in the right spot, but the Cubs sure as hell aren't that.

 

Top prospects? No.

 

Taking on the contract and giving them some fringe organizational top 10s (which are probably like top 5's for them)? Sure.

 

Cubs could also easily be that next year.

[Bull]

No chance.

 

$22.5M for 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018. Plus a $20M option on 2019 (automatically vests with 400 IP in 2017-2018) that has a $6M buyout.

 

Hamels isn't exactly coming at a bargain over what a guy like Lester will cost. So why is he worth giving up top prospects for when we could just wait 3 months and acquire Lester? Maybe that makes sense for a contending team in the right spot, but the Cubs sure as hell aren't that.

 

Except that free agents like Lester aren't knocking down the door to sign with a perennial cellar-dweller. If you can do it without including any of our top 50 guys, do it.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I get that Lester and Scherzer will both cost only money, but the other teams do to. As great as our offensive outlook is, pitching is questionable to say the least. We have the combination of prospects and money to get him. I love what they've done with the place, but now we want to win. Hamel's contract is ugly, but he'll be 35 when it's up.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Sandberg is grinding his shoulder into dust.

[Guest]

I'm not interested in bailing Amaro out, thanks.

 

Bailing him out of what?

 

Hamels is really good and only signed through his age 34 season. If we can get him without giving up our top end guys, I'd be all for it.

 

It's like if we could give Lester a 4 year $94M deal. I'd do that in a second.

 

i realize it seems like my last two posts conflict with one another, but that's because we have one guy talking about trading top 5 prospects in the game and another talking about him like he's an albatross.

 

4/94 seems like a lot, but it's really not when nobody else on the team is making any real money. And yeah, better get a prospect discount because of taking on his contract. And the Phillies are in a position where they just need young bodies somewhere on that team. I don't know that I'd give up Alcantara, but the Phils could really use a guy like him with some versatility and hopefully become what a young Jimmy Rollins was as a hitter.

 

yeah, I don't think 4/94 sounds like a lot at all.

[Guest]

I'd be torn on whether to offer Hamels 4/96 were he a free agent this offseason. Not super interested in adding player assets to that in order to get him, especially considering that Amaro is not going to give him away for a collection of miscellany(even our high end miscellany).

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

would rather have Lester. keep the MAGNIFICENT SEVEN

[imb]

I would offer Almora and trash if 1.) we're convinced Alcantara can play CF and 2.) We're going in on Lester in the offseason as well.

 

A rotation of Lester, Hamels, Arrieta, whoever, whoever plus a lineup of alcantara, castro, rizzo, baez, bryant, valbuena, etc... to start 2015 would be very interesting.

[Tryptamine]

Hamels missed the first month of the season with shoulder issues and has been the most abused pitcher in baseball since his return.

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/sortable/index.php?cid=1657933

 

Giving away prospects and a lot of money on that risk terrifies me.