Cole Hamels Traded to Rangers

[Tryptamine]

In trade deadline talks Amaro asked the Dodgers for Seager,Pederson and Urias. Nothing is going to get done as long as he's GM.

[Little Slide Rooter]

some comments on that tweet by mike missanelli (philly sports talk host; don't know how connected he is to rumors).

 

Miller ‏@MattyMillz85 3h

 

@MikeMiss975 cole prob wouldn't accept but imagine the excitement of kris Bryant and/ or Addison Russell coming to Philly

 

Sirk Semaj ‏@Falstaff_20 2h

 

@MikeMiss975 I'd trade him there if they want to give me Bryant and one of Soler or Alcantara. The Cubs won't do that though.

 

I'd give up Mendy and a few lesser prospects. How much lesser would depend on how the money's split. Certainly nothing else in the top 15-20. Trouble with that is that Mendy (or Soler) would have to be put through waivers, and the chance of either making it past the first team are slim to none, and slim just withered away into nothing. And Amaro doesn't seem to be the type who would do it with wink, wink, PTBNL.

[Guest]

Almora, PJohnson and Vogelbach.

[Bull]

Almora, PJohnson and Vogelbach.

and they eat 5 mil a year.

[Guest]

Unless Amaro got a serious wake up call at the deadline or the multiple reports of him asking for the moon for Hamels aren't true, I really, really doubt anything happens. That said, if true I'm glad the Cubs claimed him, there's little reason not to explore the idea. There are a lot of permutations where I wouldn't be super thrilled with the return needed to get Hamels. I'd absolutely try and make Jackson a part of it, that would ease the blow of losing a legitimate prospect or two.

[Guest]

some comments on that tweet by mike missanelli (philly sports talk host; don't know how connected he is to rumors).

 

Miller ‏@MattyMillz85 3h

 

@MikeMiss975 cole prob wouldn't accept but imagine the excitement of kris Bryant and/ or Addison Russell coming to Philly

 

Sirk Semaj ‏@Falstaff_20 2h

 

@MikeMiss975 I'd trade him there if they want to give me Bryant and one of Soler or Alcantara. The Cubs won't do that though.

 

:lol:

What the [expletive]? How about Christian Villanueva and one of Gleyber or Eloy.

[RynoRules]

To me, Soler, Bryant and Russell are pretty much untouchable. I like Tim's idea of Vogelbach. Almora and P. Johnson. I'd include Hendricks as well and ask for 15-20 mill or so in addition to Hammels.

[SouthSideRyan]

Really happy to see this.

[Guest]

To me, Soler, Bryant and Russell are pretty much untouchable. I like Tim's idea of Vogelbach. Almora and P. Johnson. I'd include Hendricks as well and ask for 15-20 mill or so in addition to Hammels.

No to including Hendricks.

[UMFan83]

I know this is an almost completely unlikely possibility but I was just curious in general. Hamels has a NTC for 21 teams including the Cubs. If the Cubs claimed him and the Phillies just let the Cubs take his contract, could Hamels block that? Or only if the Phillies and Cubs worked out a trade based on that claim?

[Guest]

A thought exercise: Hamels and Lester were born two weeks apart. When comparing what to give up for Hamels, consider what it would take(dollars and years) to pry away Lester as well. On one hand, Lester seems a pretty good bet to get a 5th year now that he's had such a strong 2014, so Hamels may be preferable. On the other hand, more money might be preferable to money + a good bit of talent, and Lester has shown a higher ceiling than Hamels and doesn't have the recent injury history.

[SouthSideRyan]

A thought exercise: Hamels and Lester were born two weeks apart. When comparing what to give up for Hamels, consider what it would take(dollars and years) to pry away Lester as well. On one hand, Lester seems a pretty good bet to get a 5th year now that he's had such a strong 2014, so Hamels may be preferable. On the other hand, more money might be preferable to money + a good bit of talent, and Lester has shown a higher ceiling than Hamels and doesn't have the recent injury history.

 

I think it's pretty good bet Lester gets a 6th year. Personally, I want both.

[SouthSideRyan]

I know this is an almost completely unlikely possibility but I was just curious in general. Hamels has a NTC for 21 teams including the Cubs. If the Cubs claimed him and the Phillies just let the Cubs take his contract, could Hamels block that? Or only if the Phillies and Cubs worked out a trade based on that claim?

 

I believe Hamels could still block it. I'm pretty sure we discussed this regarding Soriano in years past

[Guest]

To me, Soler, Bryant and Russell are pretty much untouchable. I like Tim's idea of Vogelbach. Almora and P. Johnson. I'd include Hendricks as well and ask for 15-20 mill or so in addition to Hammels.

Hendricks would never make it through waivers.

[SouthSideRyan]

To me, Soler, Bryant and Russell are pretty much untouchable. I like Tim's idea of Vogelbach. Almora and P. Johnson. I'd include Hendricks as well and ask for 15-20 mill or so in addition to Hammels.

Hendricks would never make it through waivers.

 

Well he'd only need to pass the Rockies and D-Backs, but you're probably right.

[Guest]

It's a fairly unique situation, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Cubs didn't have any problems passing 40 man guys through waivers. They aren't a contender this year and if they claimed Hamels no one else has a shot at him, so anyone claiming a guy like Hendricks to block a deal is doing so out of some combination of spite and hope that Hamels makes it to the offseason as a trade target. Maybe there's a team out there who would do so, but it's not a slam dunk IMO.

 

EDIT: Wait, they only need to make it through to the Phillies spot in the waiver order? Even more so then, heck you could probably pass anyone through unless Dan O'Dowd is just angry at the world.

[Guest]

A thought exercise: Hamels and Lester were born two weeks apart. When comparing what to give up for Hamels, consider what it would take(dollars and years) to pry away Lester as well. On one hand, Lester seems a pretty good bet to get a 5th year now that he's had such a strong 2014, so Hamels may be preferable. On the other hand, more money might be preferable to money + a good bit of talent, and Lester has shown a higher ceiling than Hamels and doesn't have the recent injury history.

We've finished second (or worse) on every FA out there. Making a trade gets you the guy for certain. There is value in heading into the offseason knowing you have Hamels locked up. There is also the possibility of getting Philly to contribute to the cost of Hamels for a decent return like the one I threw out there.

[Guest]

It's a fairly unique situation, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Cubs didn't have any problems passing 40 man guys through waivers. They aren't a contender this year and if they claimed Hamels no one else has a shot at him, so anyone claiming a guy like Hendricks to block a deal is doing so out of some combination of spite and hope that Hamels makes it to the offseason as a trade target. Maybe there's a team out there who would do so, but it's not a slam dunk IMO.

 

EDIT: Wait, they only need to make it through to the Phillies spot in the waiver order? Even more so then, heck you could probably pass anyone through unless Dan O'Dowd is just angry at the world.

Lord only knows what AZ will do in any given situation, though.

[davell]

This month is going to be fun. If we claimed him, we'll claim other top pitchers too.

[Guest]

I want Scherzer and Lester.

[rawaction]

If you put Hendricks through to waivers and Colorado or Arizona claims him before Philly, then you just pull him back and put a minor leaguer in the trade. I doubt it would hamper any potential deal.

[KingCubsFan]

Unless they think the Dodgers will eventually give in and trade Pederson, they probably won't get a better prospect than Almora headlining a deal. Unfortunately, because it's Amaro, this has about a 0.1% chance of happening. At least Theo and Jed will have a good laugh when Amaro asks for Bryant and Soler.

[Guest]

Again. I am not ok with including Hendricks. We will regret it.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

I know this is an almost completely unlikely possibility but I was just curious in general. Hamels has a NTC for 21 teams including the Cubs. If the Cubs claimed him and the Phillies just let the Cubs take his contract, could Hamels block that? Or only if the Phillies and Cubs worked out a trade based on that claim?

 

I believe Hamels could still block it. I'm pretty sure we discussed this regarding Soriano in years past

 

This is correct. Hamels can for sure block it.

[Rob]

Yeah, there's just about a zero percent chance that anything gets done. Amaro has already shown he has unreasonable expectations about what Hamels should return in a trade. And maybe there was a chance he'd get it when playoff teams were shopping for upgrades, but the Cubs aren't under the same market pressure to add wins this season.

 

I'd be shocked if the Cubs were willing to include someone of Almora's prospect status. Vogelbach, and spare parts maybe.