College Football - Week 14 (Nov. 30)

[jersey cubs fan]

Ouchie, Iowa's QB just got his leg rolled up on by a big old lineman. Went down in a heap and is now limping weakly to the side. That don't look good.

[Ryne Ween]

I dont understand this either, state-size has nothing to do with anything. What Ole Miss and Miss St need to recognize is that their positions within their conference is such that a "really good year" doesnt necessarily mean competing for a conference championship or BCS bowl.

 

South carolina isnt much bigger than mississippi and has two good programs.

[Ryne Ween]

Its looking like Iowa will get into the gator bowl or outback bowl and play one of the top teams in the SEC. Will be interesting to see that matchup (say against Mizzou, Auburn, USC or A&M). My feeling all year is that the Big 10 is solid this year and that the SEC is overrated. I have a feeling Wisconsin and Iowa will represent well against the SEC this year. And my prefered matchup for the title game of OSU and Bama would be interesting too.

[OleMissCub]

What Ole Miss and Miss St need to recognize is that their positions within their conference is such that a "really good year" doesnt necessarily mean competing for a conference championship or BCS bowl.

 

You think most fans don't understand that? That's kind of the point of my entire statement earlier, which is that it sucks that the majority of the state's football resources and talent can't be pooled into one program because then maybe we'd be able to get BCS Bowl's and Conference Championships on occasion, whereas now there is little hope of that.

 

South carolina isnt much bigger than mississippi and has two good programs.

 

SC has nearly 2 million more people, but I get your point. Although I think if Clemson were in the SEC they probably wouldn't win as much as they currently do and would suffer similar fates as Ole Miss and State and be confined to middle to bottom of the pack.

[Andy]

I think if Clemson were in the SEC they probably wouldn't win as much as they currently do and would suffer similar fates as Ole Miss and State and be confined to middle to bottom of the pack.

I would've thought we'd be done with talk like this after Texas A&M won 10 games last year and Missouri won at least 10 this year.

 

Clemson is a very solid football program. They would probably be at least as successful with access to SEC resources and prestige, if not more so.

[NewUserName]

Its looking like Iowa will get into the gator bowl or outback bowl and play one of the top teams in the SEC. Will be interesting to see that matchup (say against Mizzou, Auburn, USC or A&M). My feeling all year is that the Big 10 is solid this year and that the SEC is overrated. I have a feeling Wisconsin and Iowa will represent well against the SEC this year. And my prefered matchup for the title game of OSU and Bama would be interesting too.

I think a couple of the pre-season favorites not being very good(Michigan,N'western) has given the B1G a bad perception. Iowa, Minnesota and MSU being solid to really good have not given the conference the credit it deserves. If MSU beats OSU and they both go to BCS bowl games I think the overall bowl record will still be a little weak. If OSU wins and MSU, Wisky and Iowa/Minnesota rep the B1G on NYD in Florida, I think B1G could win all three games

[Formerly Snayke]

Do blue bloods lose by 21 at home?

[Tracer Bullet]

Clemson is not Mississippi U.

[OleMissCub]

I would've thought we'd be done with talk like this after Texas A&M won 10 games last year and Missouri won at least 10 this year.

 

The Aggies have had one of the greatest college quarterbacks in history the past two seasons and Mizzou is having a very, very special season. 10 win seasons will not be even close to the norm for those schools.

 

Clemson is a very solid football program. They would probably be at least as successful with access to SEC resources and prestige, if not more so.

 

If not more so? Wait, so Clemson might actually have better records if they played in the SEC and not the dogshvt ACC?

[SouthSideRyan]

What Ole Miss and Miss St need to recognize is that their positions within their conference is such that a "really good year" doesnt necessarily mean competing for a conference championship or BCS bowl.

 

You think most fans don't understand that? That's kind of the point of my entire statement earlier, which is that it sucks that the majority of the state's football resources and talent can't be pooled into one program because then maybe we'd be able to get BCS Bowl's and Conference Championships on occasion, whereas now there is little hope of that.

 

I'm going to write an angry letter to my congressman that Illinois doesn't get to split up all the state's football players

[OleMissCub]

What Ole Miss and Miss St need to recognize is that their positions within their conference is such that a "really good year" doesnt necessarily mean competing for a conference championship or BCS bowl.

 

You think most fans don't understand that? That's kind of the point of my entire statement earlier, which is that it sucks that the majority of the state's football resources and talent can't be pooled into one program because then maybe we'd be able to get BCS Bowl's and Conference Championships on occasion, whereas now there is little hope of that.

 

I'm going to write an angry letter to my congressman that Illinois doesn't get to split up all the state's football players

 

I'll cosign if you'd like.

[rawaction]

Fresno on pace to beat San Jose St, 108 to 84 after 1 quarter. Two QBs with NFL futures playing.

[Andy]

I would've thought we'd be done with talk like this after Texas A&M won 10 games last year and Missouri won at least 10 this year.

 

The Aggies have had one of the greatest college quarterbacks in history the past two seasons and Mizzou is having a very, very special season. 10 win seasons will not be even close to the norm for those schools.

 

Clemson is a very solid football program. They would probably be at least as successful with access to SEC resources and prestige, if not more so.

 

If not more so? Wait, so Clemson might actually have better records if they played in the SEC and not the dogshvt ACC?

I don't care if 10-win seasons will be the norm. All we heard for the entire off-season before those two schools joined was how they were going to be trampled into the ground for the next half-decade, at least. Instead one had last year's Heisman winner and the other is a win away from Atlanta.

 

And yes, Clemson might well move up a rung on the CFB ladder if their already very solid program got a revenue boost from playing in the SEC as well as the added recruiting benefits of being in the current best conference in the country.

[Guest]

In the 12 game season era, Mizzou has averaged 9 wins per season, with four 10-win seasons in their last 7. This has been a great season, but aside from coming after last year's disappointment, it's not some out of nowhere success.

 

I'm not huge on Clemson(partially because of the ACC's insistence on having as many 7-5 teams as mathematically possible), but they'd still be more than a "middle to bottom of the pack" SEC team.

[OleMissCub]

Mettenberger just had his knee blown out. Gross.

[OleMissCub]

In the 12 game season era, Mizzou has averaged 9 wins per season, with four 10-win seasons in their last 7. This has been a great season, but aside from coming after last year's disappointment, it's not some out of nowhere success.

 

9+ wins will not be your normal season now that you are in the SEC. Surely you know that. Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina will usually have better teams than you simply due to depth and recruiting. You're going to have to do a hell of a lot better than 31st in recruiting to keep up with those teams year after year.

 

You do get to play Vandy and Kentucky every year, so there's that...

[mul21]

In the 12 game season era, Mizzou has averaged 9 wins per season, with four 10-win seasons in their last 7. This has been a great season, but aside from coming after last year's disappointment, it's not some out of nowhere success.

 

I'm not huge on Clemson(partially because of the ACC's insistence on having as many 7-5 teams as mathematically possible), but they'd still be more than a "middle to bottom of the pack" SEC team.

 

I think most teams would have had a rough year last year if they had lost their veteran QB and had crap for a backup, especially the way Mizzou runs their offense. They have been pretty lucky with injuries this year, even with Mauk having to fill in.

[rawaction]

Fresno on pace to beat San Jose St, 108 to 84 after 1 quarter. Two QBs with NFL futures playing.

 

84-82 pace at the half. 967 total yards. Each QB has 6 TD passes each. Combined 49-61, 805 yards, 12 TDs. Did I mention it was HALFTIME!

 

If you ever wanted to see 90s BYU vs 90s Houston, this is like watching Ty Detmer vs David Klingler....in a good way.

[GlassCow]

Another game, another embarrassment on national tv. Pelini needs to be shown the door. Congratulations to the Hawkeyes - they played well enough to win even without our usual shooting ourselves in the foot.

[Ryne Ween]

Id like Al Golden if he didnt dress like a jerk and have jerk-hair.

[Ryne Ween]

Another game, another embarrassment on national tv. Pelini needs to be shown the door. Congratulations to the Hawkeyes - they played well enough to win even without our usual shooting ourselves in the foot.

 

Honestly what is wrong with that guy. Big time college football coach is a half football coach half political position. Pelini must be the least self aware human on the planet. Getting roasted at home by iowa for your 4th loss and then calling everybody who doesnt think hes done a great job an idiot.

 

And the "my assistants doing a great job how dare you say otherwise ..." line is garbage. Nobody cares about your assistants Bo. Also, Lou Holtz made a good point, you may think you are engaging the media but you are actually talking to the fans and general public.

 

Also using his coaching status as an excuse was pathetic. In all these years i can hardly remember an instance where a coach on the hotseat blamed being on the hotseat for losing games.

 

They should fire him before the bowl.

[Ryne Ween]

And another thing. I just saw AJ Mccarron on the cover of SI with the headline "King Crimson" (which im sure he has no idea what that is) making a case that hes maybe the best ever. Cam Newton is the best college football player ever and its not close.

 

The guy earlier said "Its not fair playing the SEC West" and granted Bama doesnt ever have to play Bama, but still, they have not worked a tough schedule this year. They gave up 42 at whats turned out to be a very mortal A&M, they beat down a pretty good LSU at home and thats it for this year.

 

Last year they beat a good but not great LSU team in death valley with a last second td drive, lost to A&M at home, beat a good georgia team in a barnburner in atlanta, and then smoked an, i think at this point we can all agree, an overmatched ND team that wasnt a worthy MNC contender.

 

And then the year before they got to avenge a home loss in the title game.

 

Basically if any other school did what bama has done in the regular season the past three years; they would not have played in either of the last two title games, and would be ranked maybe #1, maybe #2 and maybe #3 this year. Granted saban is great and bama is a great program, but part of their national championship run is self fulfilling.

[Guest]

In the 12 game season era, Mizzou has averaged 9 wins per season, with four 10-win seasons in their last 7. This has been a great season, but aside from coming after last year's disappointment, it's not some out of nowhere success.

 

9+ wins will not be your normal season now that you are in the SEC. Surely you know that. Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina will usually have better teams than you simply due to depth and recruiting. You're going to have to do a hell of a lot better than 31st in recruiting to keep up with those teams year after year.

 

You do get to play Vandy and Kentucky every year, so there's that...

 

It might not ending up being the norm, but that's really besides the point. The SEC is a great conference, but you're making it far more a meat grinder than it actually is.

 

With regards to recruiting rankings, Mizzou didn't dominate the Big 12 in those either. They've made a living turning 2 and 3 star recruits into 4 and 5 star performances, but they've still pulled in their share of elite talent too. The skepticism is understandable, especially since Pinkel is unlikely to keep coaching too much longer, but again, there's no fluke to the results this year.

 

EDIT: For reference, Mizzou's 15 seniors average 2.5 stars this year. Sam, Washington, and Britt were 2 stars and they've put up All-SEC caliber seasons. The point is that's been the norm for Mizzou.

[Guest]

If Bo Pelini is fired and the University of Illinois doesn't hire him right away, I will be extremely upset. That man is a [expletive] warrior.

[Guest]

Oh man, what is going on with the uniforms in The Civil War?