Minor League Discussion & Boxes 7-28-13

[The-Kris-Bryant]

Unfortunately he's a SS who may not get on base 30% of the time. The rarity of that, unfortunately is not ridiculous.

 

We literally just saw this happen less than 3 months ago. Baez currently has a .284 OBP and a .918 OPS, which is just the most preposterous thing I've ever heard of. Both his OBP and SLG will normalize as he continues to progress, and more pitchers get the fear of God put into them. Let's wait for Baez to 1) reach 100 PA at AA and 2) stop hitting HR at a 70 HR pace at AA before we go too crazy about nitpicking his plate discipline. Especially when we saw this same story play out in Daytona and Baez can't legally drink until Christmastime.

I'm not nitpicking nor am I saying he's not a fantastic prospect with a high ceiling but he has his risks and there's good reason to be concerned enough about him not to have him among the top 10 prospects.

 

If your reason for leaving Baez out of the Top 10 is that his BB/K numbers aren't good enough in his 85 AA PAs that he has at age 20 while on pace to hit 70 HR over 600 PA, then that reason is....not good.

There's also the other 676 professional plate appearances pointing to the same conclusion. Edited July 29, 2013 by The-Kris-Bryant

[Cubswin11]

Almora 2-5 again and Vogelbach continues to hit and get on base. Any chance those 2 get a taste of Daytona this year?

I think it's safe to assume Almora will get promoted within the next few weeks to Daytona.

[HossmanGT]

If it's possible to be thrilled and nervous about a prospect at the same time, that's where I currently stand with Baez. His rare skills will undoubtedly land him in the majors, but his K/BB development could be the difference between a dangerous free swinger and one of the top players in the game.

 

Question - as a 20 year old playing AA, can we reasonably expect his K rate to improve as he gains experience? Are there good examples of young players that have improved their K rates as they move through the minors? If you look at the progression of most minor leaguers, it's not uncommon to see K rates stabilize as players advance levels....but it seems rare to actually improve them.

[UMFan83]

 

 

Because he has as many home runs as walks

 

He's also a shortstop who may hit 40HR. The rarity of that is just ridiculous.

Unfortunately he's a SS who may not get on base 30% of the time. The rarity of that, unfortunately is not ridiculous.

 

A lot of very good hitters start getting pitched around eventually, and that's where the walks come from.

Alfonso Soriano says Hi.

 

Strangely enough, when Soriano had his best season (by far) his walk rate exploded

[imb]

Almora 2-5 again and Vogelbach continues to hit and get on base. Any chance those 2 get a taste of Daytona this year?

I think it's safe to assume Almora will get promoted within the next few weeks to Daytona.

 

What does it say about daytona that this actually annoys me a little bit. i just want almora to stay on the field.

[illiniguy]

Almora 2-5 again and Vogelbach continues to hit and get on base. Any chance those 2 get a taste of Daytona this year?

I think it's safe to assume Almora will get promoted within the next few weeks to Daytona.

 

What does it say about daytona that this actually annoys me a little bit. i just want almora to stay on the field.

Doesn't the rain let up later on in the season?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm just writing off the K-rate as the normal "20-year-old in first taste of AA gets dominated before adjusting" period.

 

The fact that he's Ruthian during this period makes it scary awesome to imagine what he might be able to do when he settles in more. I'm starting to believe he can contribute at some point in 2014.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Almora 2-5 again and Vogelbach continues to hit and get on base. Any chance those 2 get a taste of Daytona this year?

I think it's safe to assume Almora will get promoted within the next few weeks to Daytona.

 

What does it say about daytona that this actually annoys me a little bit. i just want almora to stay on the field.

 

Same. I would have promoted him a couple weeks ago but I'd actually like him to play in games.

[ScrubMD]

Baez has already shown better patience than Soriano.

 

EDIT: Whoa, didn't realize so many new posts had popped up since the post I was replying to.

[Guest]

Unfortunately he's a SS who may not get on base 30% of the time. The rarity of that, unfortunately is not ridiculous.

 

We literally just saw this happen less than 3 months ago. Baez currently has a .284 OBP and a .918 OPS, which is just the most preposterous thing I've ever heard of. Both his OBP and SLG will normalize as he continues to progress, and more pitchers get the fear of God put into them. Let's wait for Baez to 1) reach 100 PA at AA and 2) stop hitting HR at a 70 HR pace at AA before we go too crazy about nitpicking his plate discipline. Especially when we saw this same story play out in Daytona and Baez can't legally drink until Christmastime.

I'm not nitpicking nor am I saying he's not a fantastic prospect with a high ceiling but he has his risks and there's good reason to be concerned enough about him not to have him among the top 10 prospects.

 

If your reason for leaving Baez out of the Top 10 is that his BB/K numbers aren't good enough in his 85 AA PAs that he has at age 20 while on pace to hit 70 HR over 600 PA, then that reason is....not good.

There's also the other 676 professional plate appearances pointing to the same conclusion.

 

In his other 676 PAs he had a .340 OBP and hit HR at about a 30 HR pace. As a shortstop who was young for his levels.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Prediction: Baez will be top 5 in at least two legitimate lists this offseason.

[imb]

I know it's foolish to look this far ahead, especially with prospects, but assuming Castro isn't going anywhere, is 3B going to end up being a race between who gets to the majors first out of Baez and Bryant?

[Tryptamine]

Prediction: Baez will be top 5 in at least two legitimate lists this offseason.

 

Then there will be another half dozen lists that inexplicably still think Lindor is the better prospect.

[imb]

Prediction: Baez will be top 5 in at least two legitimate lists this offseason.

 

Then there will be another half dozen lists that inexplicably still think Lindor is the better prospect.

 

I can respect Lindor's profile even if it makes me irrationally angry when people fawn over him. If you asking me if I want someone who can for sure handle SS and will walk a lot, or if I want a guy that might move off the position and might flame out but just might crank 40 home runs, I know who im taking.

[sneakypower]

Lindor's easily the safer bet to post a higher career WAR, which is a sensible way to do one of these lists

[Guest]

Prediction: Baez will be top 5 in at least two legitimate lists this offseason.

 

Then there will be another half dozen lists that inexplicably still think Lindor is the better prospect.

 

I can respect Lindor's profile even if it makes me irrationally angry when people fawn over him. If you asking me if I want someone who can for sure handle SS and will walk a lot, or if I want a guy that might move off the position and might flame out but just might crank 40 home runs, I know who im taking.

 

I don't have any data to back this up, but I'm guessing that even for guys who are young for their level and defensive-minded middle infielders like Lindor, that there aren't a ton of all-star caliber players with a .100 IsoP in the minor leagues.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

I know it's foolish to look this far ahead, especially with prospects, but assuming Castro isn't going anywhere, is 3B going to end up being a race between who gets to the majors first out of Baez and Bryant?

 

I think if they're both on the same team Bryant's going to be in the OF no matter what.

[Guest]

I know it's foolish to look this far ahead, especially with prospects, but assuming Castro isn't going anywhere, is 3B going to end up being a race between who gets to the majors first out of Baez and Bryant?

 

I think if they're both on the same team Bryant's going to be in the OF no matter what.

 

That confident in Alcantara?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If Baez does this for like 2 more weeks I'm going to turn into one of those droolmonkeys who think he should be given a shot at a starting job in 2014.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

I know it's foolish to look this far ahead, especially with prospects, but assuming Castro isn't going anywhere, is 3B going to end up being a race between who gets to the majors first out of Baez and Bryant?

 

I think if they're both on the same team Bryant's going to be in the OF no matter what.

 

That confident in Alcantara?

 

Absolutely.

[Vinestal]

maples doing well so far through 2 innings 3ks 1H no walks

[Guest]

I know it's foolish to look this far ahead, especially with prospects, but assuming Castro isn't going anywhere, is 3B going to end up being a race between who gets to the majors first out of Baez and Bryant?

 

What a great problem to have.

[Guest]

maples doing well so far through 2 innings 3ks 1H no walks

 

God it would be so nice if he were fixed and we got a high upside mid 90's pitching prospect all of a sudden

[Guest]

Almora 2-5 again and Vogelbach continues to hit and get on base. Any chance those 2 get a taste of Daytona this year?

I think it's safe to assume Almora will get promoted within the next few weeks to Daytona.

 

Daytona will likely make the playoffs so I definitely expect Almora and Vogelbach to get promoted soon. Possibly Bryant too.

[Vanilla Ice]

Almora 2-5 again and Vogelbach continues to hit and get on base. Any chance those 2 get a taste of Daytona this year?

I think it's safe to assume Almora will get promoted within the next few weeks to Daytona.

 

Daytona will likely make the playoffs so I definitely expect Almora and Vogelbach to get promoted soon. Possibly Bryant too.

 

Bryant to Kane County or to Daytona?