Feldman to Orioles for Stropp, Arietta, bonus slots

[jersey cubs fan]

Does all this signal Shawn Camp to be DFA? God, I hope so.

 

sullivan said something about likely end of camp and rodriguez

[XZero771679666304]

From a couple days ago:

The Padres "are enamored" with Orioles right-hander Jake Arrieta. Center reported last week that the Padres have been linked to Arrieta, and Center spoke to a pair of scouts this week who "really love Arrieta's stuff" and believe he could be a second or third starter "in the right situation."

Center hears that Arrieta and Matt Garza are the pitchers most associated with a potential Padres trade. Several teams are interested in Garza, though I'd argue the Padres could have a possible edge due to Cubs GM Jed Hoyer's familiarity with the San Diego organization and farm system.

I wonder if a Garza + Arrieta package could bring back a haul.

 

I've seen this idea floated in other places. If Sand Diego really does like Arrieta, this could all be geared toward a bigger deal with San Diego. Perhaps there is a player(s) that Byrnes & Co. wouldn't part with for Garza alone, but that adding Arrieta might entice them to.

[Guest]

From a couple days ago:

The Padres "are enamored" with Orioles right-hander Jake Arrieta. Center reported last week that the Padres have been linked to Arrieta, and Center spoke to a pair of scouts this week who "really love Arrieta's stuff" and believe he could be a second or third starter "in the right situation."

Center hears that Arrieta and Matt Garza are the pitchers most associated with a potential Padres trade. Several teams are interested in Garza, though I'd argue the Padres could have a possible edge due to Cubs GM Jed Hoyer's familiarity with the San Diego organization and farm system.

I wonder if a Garza + Arrieta package could bring back a haul.

 

I've seen this idea floated in other places. If Sand Diego really does like Arrieta, this could all be geared toward a bigger deal with San Diego. Perhaps there is a player(s) that Byrnes & Co. wouldn't part with for Garza alone, but that adding Arrieta might entice them to.

 

I think what's more likely is that they think they'll find a better deal for Garza, but still want to bring in 1 or 2 old favorite prospects. Because unless they're trading for a MLB player like Gyorko or Headley(which wouldn't make any sense), there isn't really a prospect they have that 1) Garza alone couldn't fetch or 2) is so desirable that the Cubs would want to give Garza + for them.

[Tryptamine]

I may be in the minority, but I really like Arrieta. Loved the peripherals last year and I'd prefer him over Britton and Matusz.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Does all this signal Shawn Camp to be DFA? God, I hope so.

 

sullivan said something about likely end of camp and rodriguez

 

I think that was just speculation. Rodriguez might not be anything special, but I much rather keep the hard throwing 26 year old over Guerrier, who's 34 and hasn't been very good for several years.

[Guest]

@JArrieta34: I've been a fan of the @Cubs since Chet Stedman was a workhorse. Thankful for the opportunity.. I'm ready.

[The-Kris-Bryant]

With his stuff Arrieta could be one heck of a closer. If we are going to stash him in Iowa, might as well try it out.

[Cubswin11]

With his stuff Arrieta could be one heck of a closer. If we are going to stash him in Iowa, might as well try it out.

If we are "stashing" him in Iowa there's no reason not to try and make him a starter and hope the coaches can find something in his mechanics/etc. to fix to make him a starter. This could be one of Derek Johnson's #1 projects the rest of the year.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

@JArrieta34: I've been a fan of the @Cubs since Chet Stedman was a workhorse. Thankful for the opportunity.. I'm ready.

 

Chet Stedman reference. Not bad.

[toonsterwu]

Late to the game, but I think this is a deal that makes a ton of sense for both parties. The Orioles didn't want to give up the top young assets (Eduardo Rodriguez) in a trade. They get a steady arm, someone that fits well there, someone Buck knows. Arrieta/Strop needed a change of scenery.

 

Personally, I don't buy Arrieta that much as a starter. I think he's a pen arm, but then again, the stuff is so intriguing that you never know. To me, he's a "3/5" guy, a guy with 3 level potential but too damn inconsistent (Edwin Jackson is another that comes to mind).

 

That said, the Cubs got the needed bonus money and two good gambles (because of raw stuff) for Feldman, someone they likely weren't going to keep. So ... sounds solid for both sides.

[rawaction]

I think this frees up the Cubs to go prospect heavy in the Garza trade, now that they don't need to necessarily get guys close to the majors for him. Of course I think I said the same thing last year re: Dempster after Maholm was traded.

[Guest]

No, they need to get guys close to the majors in all the deals they make. The one exception might be Gregg, who if dealt by himself wouldn't bring an upper level player worth acquiring.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

No, they need to get guys close to the majors in all the deals they make. The one exception might be Gregg, who if dealt by himself wouldn't bring an upper level player worth acquiring.

 

I think today was the first indication that the discount you have to take when getting upper-level players is pretty steep :(

[Post Count Padder]

MLBTR has a roundup on reaction and follow up to the trade:

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/reactions-to-the-feldman-arrieta-trade.html

[rawaction]

No, they need to get guys close to the majors in all the deals they make. The one exception might be Gregg, who if dealt by himself wouldn't bring an upper level player worth acquiring.

 

I think today was the first indication that the discount you have to take when getting upper-level players is pretty steep :(

My thoughts exactly. Get better prospects the further they are from the majors. That being said, I wasn't talking about 18-19 year olds. Any pitching prospect would have to be further along than Pierce Johnson but I don't think u have to limit yourself to guys that you need to help out right away.

[toonsterwu]

I may be in the minority, but I really like Arrieta. Loved the peripherals last year and I'd prefer him over Britton and Matusz.

 

I think all three need a change of scenery. Britton will probably be held as "depth" for another year, and Matusz is too good in the pen to think they'll ponder shopping him. I still wonder about Matusz as a starter, although I do prefer Britton over him as a starter.

 

Anyhow, as for Arrieta, anyone that watches Orioles games could tell you some basic problems for Arrieta. The short of it is, leaving aside "mental" issues to work through when he hits rough patches, he seems to want to amp it up whenever it gets tough. Sometimes, you can get away with it, but his fastball loses movement and is a lot more hittable.

 

I don't love Arrieta. I do wonder if he's better off in the pen. That said, it's not hard to imagine that, with some tiny tinkering (plus leaving the AL and moving to the NL), that Arrieta could look a lot better as a starter. There's better than mid-rotation potential, but I just don't know if I trust him. That said, hey, so far so good with Bosio, so here's hoping.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Now that rationalization has had time to drown out kneejerk reactions, I guess I can warm up to this trade. I like the fact that it seems to be trying to address our immediate problems for 2014 rather than just stockpiling talent.

[Illini Iceman]

Does all this signal Shawn Camp to be DFA? God, I hope so.

 

sullivan said something about likely end of camp and rodriguez

 

One for sure is Rusin and then the only other guy with options I believe is Parker but he is probably pitching better than anyone else in the bullpen right now.

[Banedon]

"I don't think this team improves by trading Scott Feldman," Samardzija said. "He was one of our better pitchers. He's thrown a lot of innings, a solid dude, a solid guy in the clubhouse.

 

"It's a shame to see him go, and the same with Clevenger. A great dude to have around, a great teammate who played the game hard and played the right way. It's unfortunate. Just hope the guys they get in return are comparable and bring the same attitude to the field every day that those guys brought."

 

Will that affect Samardzija's future? He's considered part of the core, but he turned down a five-year deal over the winter.

 

"Well, I definitely don't want to see all my boys traded, that's for sure," he replied. "That wouldn't be the coolest thing in the world, especially when we feel we're not too far away from being a pretty darn good team. We'll see how this all turns out by July 31 and then go from there."

[TruffleShuffle]

how could feldman be one of his boys? the guy was around for like 6 months.

 

also...

 

and the same with Clevenger. A great dude to have around, a great teammate who played the game hard and played the right way.

 

 

oh brother. this guy has a future in broadcasting for sure.

[jersey cubs fan]

Eh, I don't begrudge a player for lamenting the loss of a teammate while witnessing his front office punt multiple seasons.

 

Those are the guys who should say this stuff.

[weis21]

Areitta will be his new "boy" by the end of the year and all will be forgotten.

[Banedon]

To me it's like Hester acting like he was gonna retire or something because of Lovie. It's just emotional, knee jerk stuff.

[TruffleShuffle]

well yeah of course the team doesn't improve this year by trading feldman, but the guy is on a one year contract and the team is more than 10 games out of a playoff spot. samardzija should understand that (a) the cubs aren't going anywhere with feldman, so in their long-term interests it makes far more sense to trade him for players who might be part of an improved team in future years than to keep him around to win an extra game or two.

 

he should also realize that clevenger is a mediocre backup catcher who can't stay healthy, and his inadequate production negates any positive benefit from him being a guy who plays the game the right way and is a good competitor when playing video games in the club house.

[jersey cubs fan]

well yeah of course the team doesn't improve this year by trading feldman, but the guy is on a one year contract and the team is more than 10 games out of a playoff spot. samardzija should understand that (a) the cubs aren't going anywhere with feldman, so in their long-term interests it makes far more sense to trade him for players who might be part of an improved team in future years than to keep him around to win an extra game or two.

 

he should also realize that clevenger is a mediocre backup catcher who can't stay healthy, and his inadequate production negates any positive benefit from him being a guy who plays the game the right way and is a good competitor when playing video games in the club house.

 

I'm not so sure he doesn't understand all this. I just think it's not on him to give a crap about the long-term interests of the ballclub. He's on the Chicago Cubs in 2013 and they suck and just traded away a good player. He saw this last year and he's been a part of a team that has been bad for a long time. At 30,000 feet you can see the promise on the horizon, but the guys who have to play on this crap team right now don't have the advantage of tuning out and waiting for the future.