Who do we trade and what do we expect in return?

[Splendid Splinter]

After pitching 70+ innings for the Jays in each of the last two seasons, why is Drabek back in HighA ball? Did he get hurt or something? Either way, Nolan is ok and I would hope for something more for Garza.

 

had TJS last year.

Seriously, wouldn't you want more for Garza than Drabek and Nolin? I've never been high on Drabek at all. Nolin looks decent but the risk with Drabek is enough to offset any overall upside to me.

 

"Hearing now that the Jays have intensified their pursuit of Matt Garza and while I'm not sure about the headliner, it appears RHP Kyle Drabek and LHP Sean Nolin might be part of the equation."

 

I took this as Drabek/Nolin are both in it or one of them as the #2/#3 guy of the package with a headliner. I don't think it's just Drabek/Nolin for Garza. At least that's how I'm reading it. Then again... that headliner better be like Aaron Sanchez or someone just as good.

[davell]

I'm reading it the same way as Splinter. I'd love to pry Sanchez from them and would be fine in this situation, in taking a lower level guy. Because at least one of the other pieces is close to the majors.

[Clem Fandango]

What did Bowden project as his Garza trade? It was less than flattering, from what Twitter responses have shown anyway.

 

Without giving away the commentary

 

1. Cleveland Indians for RHPs Cody Allen and Dylan Baker

 

2. Texas Rangers for LHP Robbie Ross and IF Drew Robinson

 

3. San Diego Padres for LHP Robbie Erlin and RHP Keyvius Sampson

 

4. Los Angeles Dodgers for RHPs Stephen Fife and Matt Magill

 

5. Colorado Rockies for LHP Drew Pomeranz and C Will Swanner

[sneakypower]

i'd be pretty thrilled with that SD package

[ctcf]

I'd throw up if it was for that Dodgers package.

[CubsWin]

i'd be pretty thrilled with that SD package

Of those five, clearly the most acceptable.

[davell]

Well, today raises a few questions. One, will we hold on to Garza until the last minute? Two, does this make Villanueva more likely to be dealt, now that he's headed to the rotation again? And three, chances of anything else happening before the break?

[KaiserCesar]

I wonder how much of these trades is about evening out the waves of talent within the organization. Looking ahead to this offseason, the upper minors/majors were expected to be weak in SP depth and the bullpen, and Torreyes was in the middle of a huge group of MI prospects at similar levels with Barney and Castro being affordable for a few years.

[imb]

I'm going to be really surprised if we get anything too great for Garza. I just have weird feeling about it.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

I hope they go quality over quantity. Hopefully one really good prospect, like the Mets got for Beltran.

[XZero771679666304]

I'm going to be really surprised if we get anything too great for Garza. I just have weird feeling about it.

 

I think we'll get a decent return, but not as much as some might expect. He's pitching well and has a good track record, but he's only under control for the rest of the season and has spent a lot of time on the DL the past couple years.

[davell]

Yeah, this has dampened my expectations somewhat. Obviously, we'll get more than the same value as a comp pick, but Im not sure how much more than that. Are we going to play chicken right up to the deadline and hope he pitches well AND no one better than him shows up on the block? Personally, I hope not. I think I'd deal him before the ASB, if we get a top 100 type prospect and another guy that fits in or near our top 10. If we aren't getting something close to that, then I guess I'd wait it out. Still wonder what he's looking for in an extension, although that seems like its passed.

[SouthSideRyan]

I think I'd deal him before the ASB, if we get a top 100 type prospect and another guy that fits in or near our top 10.

 

That's a horrible [expletive] return. I'd rather make the qualifying offer and try to sign him.

[davell]

I think I'd deal him before the ASB, if we get a top 100 type prospect and another guy that fits in or near our top 10.

 

That's a horrible [expletive] return. I'd rather make the qualifying offer and try to sign him.

I think you need to prepare for the worst then. I'll be happy if we get that much honestly.

[Guest]

I'm going to be really surprised if we get anything too great for Garza. I just have weird feeling about it.

 

I think there's way too much demand plus the fact that he's seen as the top guy available for the return not to be pretty good.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I think I'd deal him before the ASB, if we get a top 100 type prospect and another guy that fits in or near our top 10.

 

That's a horrible [expletive] return. I'd rather make the qualifying offer and try to sign him.

 

I'm definitely looking forward to your reaction when he is traded.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think I'd deal him before the ASB, if we get a top 100 type prospect and another guy that fits in or near our top 10.

 

That's a horrible [expletive] return. I'd rather make the qualifying offer and try to sign him.

 

I'm definitely looking forward to your reaction when he is traded.

 

He's right though. That's an awful return and should be dismissed in favor of keeping him next season.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He's right though. That's an awful return and should be dismissed in favor of keeping him next season.

 

I think that seriously underestimates the price to keep Garza. He's not going to come back on a reasonable deal. He's going to hit a money-rich, talent-poor FA market as the best pitcher available and get something stupid.

 

Then you can pat yourself on the back with the No. 35 overall pick or whatever that might slot into the back of our top 10, instead of getting a top 100 prospect + a guy as good as the No. 35 pick.

[SouthSideRyan]

He's right though. That's an awful return and should be dismissed in favor of keeping him next season.

 

I think that seriously underestimates the price to keep Garza. He's not going to come back on a reasonable deal. He's going to hit a money-rich, talent-poor FA market as the best pitcher available and get something stupid.

 

Then you can pat yourself on the back with the No. 35 overall pick or whatever that might slot into the back of our top 10, instead of getting a top 100 prospect + a guy as good as the No. 35 pick.

 

Or you could actually pay him market value since you're the [expletive] Chicago Cubs not the goddamned Miami Marlins

[Tyrant]

He's right though. That's an awful return and should be dismissed in favor of keeping him next season.

 

I think that seriously underestimates the price to keep Garza. He's not going to come back on a reasonable deal. He's going to hit a money-rich, talent-poor FA market as the best pitcher available and get something stupid.

 

Then you can pat yourself on the back with the No. 35 overall pick or whatever that might slot into the back of our top 10, instead of getting a top 100 prospect + a guy as good as the No. 35 pick.

 

Yea, his deal will be big. Not quite like the Greinke contract, but his agent will probably push for that to be a starting point with similar ages and career numbers.

[jersey cubs fan]

He's right though. That's an awful return and should be dismissed in favor of keeping him next season.

 

I think that seriously underestimates the price to keep Garza. He's not going to come back on a reasonable deal. He's going to hit a money-rich, talent-poor FA market as the best pitcher available and get something stupid.

 

Then you can pat yourself on the back with the No. 35 overall pick or whatever that might slot into the back of our top 10, instead of getting a top 100 prospect + a guy as good as the No. 35 pick.

 

Then sign him.

 

If you can't get an impactful return in trade there is no point in trading him. Incremental improvement does nothing for this team.

[23sharks]

He's right though. That's an awful return and should be dismissed in favor of keeping him next season.

 

I think that seriously underestimates the price to keep Garza. He's not going to come back on a reasonable deal. He's going to hit a money-rich, talent-poor FA market as the best pitcher available and get something stupid.

 

Then you can pat yourself on the back with the No. 35 overall pick or whatever that might slot into the back of our top 10, instead of getting a top 100 prospect + a guy as good as the No. 35 pick.

 

Then sign him.

 

If you can't get an impactful return in trade there is no point in trading him. Incremental improvement does nothing for this team.

 

I've said the same thing since the Garza trade talk started last season. If you don't get a great return, look to extend him.

Shark-Garza-Jackson-Wood-whoever is not a bad rotation. Especially if Jackson can return to form.

Maybe I just like Garza more than most on here.

[Guest]

I think the risk/reward on Garza is heavy on the risk side.

[XZero771679666304]

He's right though. That's an awful return and should be dismissed in favor of keeping him next season.

 

I think that seriously underestimates the price to keep Garza. He's not going to come back on a reasonable deal. He's going to hit a money-rich, talent-poor FA market as the best pitcher available and get something stupid.

 

Then you can pat yourself on the back with the No. 35 overall pick or whatever that might slot into the back of our top 10, instead of getting a top 100 prospect + a guy as good as the No. 35 pick.

 

Then sign him.

 

If you can't get an impactful return in trade there is no point in trading him. Incremental improvement does nothing for this team.

 

Given his recent health record, I'm not sure that would be wise, even in a "win-now" mindset. I think there's a decent chance his elbow is a time bomb.

 

Also, I've seen reports recently that made it pretty clear he isn't particularly interested in an extension. If he's not going to recognize that the fact he has spent so much time on the DL should mitigate his price, then you trade him for the best return you can get or you let him go (after making the qualifying offer).

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Then sign him.

 

If you can't get an impactful return in trade there is no point in trading him. Incremental improvement does nothing for this team.

 

There's almost no way that signing the about-to-turn 30, injury-prone, most expensive FA starting pitcher on the market is the best use our resources this offseason.