Chicago Bulls Offseason

[Ryne Ween]

Asik's deal scares me about the value of guys who can play center in the nba. Noah is a guy we will always be ablwe to keep/resign. Something would have to go very wrong for him to not be worth the rest of his deal. Deng I would trade if we could get value.

[SouthSideRyan]

they won a ton of games this year and lost their best player in the first round to a terrible knee injury. you think the heat make it out of the first round if lebron goes down in the first round? The year before that they got beat by a better team in the ECF.

 

insinuating that they aren't winning makes me question whether you live on earth or are posting from the surface of the moon.

 

They key phrase is "better team." It was doubted by the most professional of opinions that the Bulls could even beat the heat in an ECF scenario. The Bulls success last year was hinging on Rip and Rose being able to stay healthy because they were hurt many times during the season. They weren't a clear favorite, so sitting here and blaming everything due to Rose being hurt is silly. Even if he wasn't hurt you're assuming he'll come in after said injuries and play at MVP caliber. As we saw, the Heat were a better team their second time around and the jury was out on the Bulls being better then the previous year.

 

The Heat went to 7 games in the ECF against the freaking Celtics and nearly lost. Nobody knows what would've happened if the Bulls had been healthy. Neither you or "the most professional of opinions", whatever that means.

 

Yes lets ignore Bosh's injury. The Heat took a major injury to a weak spot on their team and won the ECF despite the adversity. They didn't even use a true center.

 

yea, and let's ignore avery bradley's injury. or ray allen and paul pierce playing hurt.

 

they needed 7 games to beat a banged up celtics team that needed 7 games to beat philly (a team that the bulls almost beat without rose and noah)

 

Nitpick, but the Bulls went 1-4 without Rose against the 76ers. They didn't almost beat them.

[SouthSideRyan]

But, it'd give you tons of flexibility heading towards 2014 as well, by doing this. You could amnesty Boozer and go into that offseason with Rose and a few draft picks, plus Mirotic and maybe Taj.

 

I thought you said you didn't prefer to be shitty.

[davell]

The worst thing that happens is you get Deng and Noah's salary off the books plus you obtain something for Howard IF he wants to leave.

 

Lost draft picks as well.

for me, there's a definite cap on how much I trade for him. Noah and Deng, plus our own 1st. I'm not sending Taj, the Charlotte pick, or Mirotic. Because other than if the Lakets offer Bynum, I don't see a package from the other rumored teams, that beat what I'm mentioning. The risk, I look at like this: We stand pat, this is a non championship season coning up. With Dwight, thete's a chance. We lose Dwight, the following season is a non championship year. So, this year or next year, one or the other? But 2014, we'd be in a great spot, without Dwight. Or with him, for that matter, if he's convinced to stick around.

[davell]

But, it'd give you tons of flexibility heading towards 2014 as well, by doing this. You could amnesty Boozer and go into that offseason with Rose and a few draft picks, plus Mirotic and maybe Taj.

 

I thought you said you didn't prefer to be [expletive].

I don't prefer it, but one year of taking a step back is acceptable, if it improves our chances after that.

[Sammy Sofa]

Deng is nowhere near as strong a chip as you think he is given the current questions about his health. I guarantee you that if the Bulls come knocking the Magic's demands start with both Noah and Taj. Edited July 3, 2012 by Sammy Sofa

[Banedon]

Deng is nowhere near as strong a chip as you think he is giving the current questions about his health. I guarantee you that if the Bulls come knocking the Magic's demands start with both Noah and Taj.

 

Exactly. If we'd done this deal when Deng was healthy and playing well, then yeah...sure. But at this point he's playing hurt through the olympics and talking about not having surgery at all. Nobody knows what to expect from the guy.

[Sammy Sofa]

Seriously, if the Bulls somehow landed Howard it would almost certainly be in the wake of losing Asik, Gibson AND Noah.

[Banedon]

Seriously, if the Bulls somehow landed Howard it would almost certainly be in the wake of losing Asik, Gibson AND Noah.

 

I don't know how the numbers would work out, and I'm not a salary cap guru, but if you lose Noah and Gibson, you ought to be able to keep Asik alongside Howard, right? Presuming this all happened fast enough.

[Sammy Sofa]

Seriously, if the Bulls somehow landed Howard it would almost certainly be in the wake of losing Asik, Gibson AND Noah.

 

I don't know how the numbers would work out, and I'm not a salary cap guru, but if you lose Noah and Gibson, you ought to be able to keep Asik alongside Howard, right? Presuming this all happened fast enough.

 

Right, I'm thinking more from a timeframe standpoint. I don't think such a deal would have any chance of being done before Asik could accept the new deal.

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

When I have seen people talking about a Howard trade with Deng included, it seems like they have Hedo's contract coming back--in which case I am sure the magic would be happy to have deng instead. However, I agree that howard to the bulls won't happen.

 

Also, I know bulls fans (myself included) love the idea of being able to amnesty boozer, but what are the odds of that happening? I just don't see Reinsdorf being willing to pay a guy 15 million a year to not play for the bulls.

[davell]

Guys, if that's the case with Deng, then I doubt I'd do the deal, with Taj involved. I'm undecided as to whether I want Taj here longterm as a starter, or to trade him right now, where I'd expect a very solid return obviously. If I'm choosing between him and Asik, I'm keeping Taj, every day of the week.

[Sammy Sofa]

Also, I know bulls fans (myself included) love the idea of being able to amnesty boozer, but what are the odds of that happening? I just don't see Reinsdorf being willing to pay a guy 15 million a year to not play for the bulls.

 

This year? Not very likely. For 2014? I could see them doing it.

[Banedon]

Also, I know bulls fans (myself included) love the idea of being able to amnesty boozer, but what are the odds of that happening? I just don't see Reinsdorf being willing to pay a guy 15 million a year to not play for the bulls.

 

This year? Not very likely. For 2014? I could see them doing it.

 

Yeah, there's so little to be gained by amnestying him this year.

[SouthSideRyan]

I can't imagine a scenario where Reinsdorf allows anyone to be amnestied. He won't go into the luxury tax for a team that was the #1 seed the last 2 seasons.

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

Also, I know bulls fans (myself included) love the idea of being able to amnesty boozer, but what are the odds of that happening? I just don't see Reinsdorf being willing to pay a guy 15 million a year to not play for the bulls.

 

This year? Not very likely. For 2014? I could see them doing it.

 

Yeah, there's so little to be gained by amnestying him this year.

I agree with that, I was thinking about future plans. I hope I am wrong, but I could see him not wanting to pay the money just to release a player.

[Sammy Sofa]

I can't imagine a scenario where Reinsdorf allows anyone to be amnestied. He won't go into the luxury tax for a team that was the #1 seed the last 2 seasons.

 

Again, no, not now. Down the line when there's a choice FA class? Yes.

[CubColtPacer]

I can't imagine a scenario where Reinsdorf allows anyone to be amnestied. He won't go into the luxury tax for a team that was the #1 seed the last 2 seasons.

 

Are the contracts for Korver, Brewer, and Watson guaranteed yet with the new league year? If at least two of them are, then I think the Bulls will hit the luxury tax this year unless they do something to cut salary elsewhere.

[davell]

Watson an Brewer have to have their options picked up by July 10th or they become FA. Korver has a non guaranteed contract that allows us to go into January before actually guaranteeing him his full season's salary. Pretty valuable piece, to be honest. If traded, the acquiring team can cut him immediately without paying him a cent. He's kind of like half a trade exception, except he can hit 3's.

[WrigleyField 22]

Nit pick: Korver is guaranteed 500k. In nba money thats basically nothing, but it should be noted. Watson and Brewer as trade chips have sailed.

 

Brewer is easily a goner. Watson depends on what else we can find cheaper.

 

 

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Nitpick, but the Bulls went 1-4 without Rose against the 76ers. They didn't almost beat them.

 

ok, "they could have easily beat them". they blew the big lead in the second half of game 3 after noah left, then the horrible meltdown at the end of game 6. even game 4 they were in until the end, and game 2 was a ridiculous fluke shooting performance by philly. [expletive], if the cj watson play doesn't happen, it would have gone to a game 7 in chicago where the bulls would have been favored. the 76ers definitely deserved to win, but the point is that the bulls weren't really outplayed by much at all. boston should have handled that team a lot easier if they were to be considered a legit threat in the east.

[UMFan83]

I can't imagine a scenario where Reinsdorf allows anyone to be amnestied. He won't go into the luxury tax for a team that was the #1 seed the last 2 seasons.

 

I was listening to Doug Thonus' Bulls podcast this week (pretty good listen most weeks) and he was talking about how the Bulls were the most profitable sports team in the US, and possibly the world (he could only back up the US claim not the world). I don't think these were exact numbers, but he was saying the average NBA team spends about 75% of what it gets back on the team and the Bulls are closer to 40%. If the Bulls went 10-15 million into the luxury tax they'd only be the 3rd most profitable team in basketball instead of by far the most. And its been this way for years, even in the lean years when we paid to watch Corey Benjamin and Ron Mercer.

 

Anyways, not really a direct response to your post because I can understand not wanting to pay a still productive player to not play for you over the next 3 seasons, but I can't understand not being willing to use the full MLE or whatever it is they have this year to retain key members of their bench (for one season) and/or improving (or at least stabalizing) the team.

[Banedon]

I can't imagine a scenario where Reinsdorf allows anyone to be amnestied. He won't go into the luxury tax for a team that was the #1 seed the last 2 seasons.

 

I was listening to Doug Thonus' Bulls podcast this week (pretty good listen most weeks) and he was talking about how the Bulls were the most profitable sports team in the US, and possibly the world (he could only back up the US claim not the world). I don't think these were exact numbers, but he was saying the average NBA team spends about 75% of what it gets back on the team and the Bulls are closer to 40%. If the Bulls went 10-15 million into the luxury tax they'd only be the 3rd most profitable team in basketball instead of by far the most. And its been this way for years, even in the lean years when we paid to watch Corey Benjamin and Ron Mercer.

 

Anyways, not really a direct response to your post because I can understand not wanting to pay a still productive player to not play for you over the next 3 seasons, but I can't understand not being willing to use the full MLE or whatever it is they have this year to retain key members of their bench (for one season) and/or improving (or at least stabalizing) the team.

 

I know the Bulls have gotten lucky twice now, with MJ and now D-Rose, but they still have been pretty damn amazing at being able to have the success they have with that level of frugality.

[davell]

Where do those numbers from, UMFan? I would think the Lakers would be the most profitable, by a wide margin, without looking at anything.

[UMFan83]

Where do those numbers from, UMFan? I would think the Lakers would be the most profitable, by a wide margin, without looking at anything.

 

I believe he cited Forbes.

 

Edit: http://www.forbes.com/pictures/emdm45hle/1-chicago-bulls/#gallerycontent

Edited July 3, 2012 by UMFan83