Chicago Bulls Offseason

[Sammy Sofa]

This is like cynosure meting down in the Blackhawks thread all over again.

[Magnetic Curses]

they won a ton of games this year and lost their best player in the first round to a terrible knee injury. you think the heat make it out of the first round if lebron goes down in the first round? The year before that they got beat by a better team in the ECF.

 

insinuating that they aren't winning makes me question whether you live on earth or are posting from the surface of the moon.

 

They key phrase is "better team." It was doubted by the most professional of opinions that the Bulls could even beat the heat in an ECF scenario. The Bulls success last year was hinging on Rip and Rose being able to stay healthy because they were hurt many times during the season. They weren't a clear favorite, so sitting here and blaming everything due to Rose being hurt is silly. Even if he wasn't hurt you're assuming he'll come in after said injuries and play at MVP caliber. As we saw, the Heat were a better team their second time around and the jury was out on the Bulls being better then the previous year.

 

lol, yeah, they were missing an all-star caliber backup point guard.

 

Having an All Star point guard did dick for them 2 years ago in the ECF because he was their only offensive option.

 

and the heat didn't win in 2011, either. why would their front office be so stupid as to think they could win without any major changes in 2012?

[UMFan83]

they won a ton of games this year and lost their best player in the first round to a terrible knee injury. you think the heat make it out of the first round if lebron goes down in the first round? The year before that they got beat by a better team in the ECF.

 

insinuating that they aren't winning makes me question whether you live on earth or are posting from the surface of the moon.

 

They key phrase is "better team." It was doubted by the most professional of opinions that the Bulls could even beat the heat in an ECF scenario. The Bulls success last year was hinging on Rip and Rose being able to stay healthy because they were hurt many times during the season. They weren't a clear favorite, so sitting here and blaming everything due to Rose being hurt is silly. Even if he wasn't hurt you're assuming he'll come in after said injuries and play at MVP caliber. As we saw, the Heat were a better team their second time around and the jury was out on the Bulls being better then the previous year.

 

lol, yeah, they were missing an all-star caliber backup point guard.

 

Having an All Star point guard did dick for them 2 years ago in the ECF because he was their only offensive option.

 

and the heat didn't win in 2011, either. why would their front office be so stupid as to think they could win without any major changes in 2012?

 

SHANE BATTIER!!!!

[cubbyvirus00]

My definition of winning is making it to the Finals and ultimately winning. Hell I'd be happy about just making it TO the Finals.

 

Liar.

 

With a ridiculous attitude like this, where being the GD #1 seed is considered losing, there is no way you would be happy about just making it to the finals.

 

So if the Bulls make the 7th or 8th seed this year and are swept out of the first round, is it a successful winning season?

 

We aren't talking about mythical scenarios you're making up. We're talking about two seasons of the best record in the league that you say are "losing". They're not...either technically or by any sane objective measure.

 

At this point it doesn't look mythical.

 

The Bulls team approach to defense and decided rebounding advantages are what made them make it far in 2010. Derrick Rose wasn't the sole reason they had the #1 seed as proved last season with him sitting out and the Bulls still winning games in the regular season.

 

If we had a solid #2 go to player on the offensive side of the ball this team can seriously compete for a title. If not, then they'll continue to "win" in the regular season.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, those "wins" don't count.

[Sammy Sofa]

On the upside, maybe we won't hear from this guy at all during the regular season since it doesn't matter.

[cubbyvirus00]

On the upside, maybe we won't hear from this guy at all during the regular season since it doesn't matter.

 

I'll be checking these threads with regularity during the season to anxiously read your "e-gasms" when John Lucas III drops 18 for a Bulls victory!

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, this is totally cynosure II.

[cubbyvirus00]

Yeah, this is totally cynosure II.

 

Look, I want the Bulls to win like any of my other teams. I am not satisfied nor confident with the Bulls management sitting pat and not willing to jump into the crossfire of trades going down. I think they have the pieces to get a major acquisition but they seem set on their current roster with the hope of their Bobcat draft pick and the European guy turning into great players.

 

The other problem is by that time we hope Derrick can continue to play at the same high level despite these toll of injuries, otherwise they will have wasted his best years.

[Sammy Sofa]

What major trade do you think they've missed out on? Taking on Joe Johnson's horrible contract? Trading for Dwight Howard?

[cubbyvirus00]

What major trade do you think they've missed out on? Taking on Joe Johnson's horrible contract? Trading for Dwight Howard?

 

I'd like to see them jump into the Howard sweepstakes. If the Nets get Deron Williams, they won't have room for Dwight unless they gut their entire roster which leaves them with D League fodder on the bench. This is obviously contingent on ORL accepting the deal. The Nets are apprehensive about doing that, so that would leave Dwight in the cold with no teams on his "list." The Bulls can jump into the fold and offer an attractive package while perhaps recruiting Derrick to help make a pitch for them. I think this is very doable, but from what I gather management and Derrick are unwilling to employ the necessary strategy to get him.

 

They seem to think like they can win as is.

[17 Seconds]

they won a ton of games this year and lost their best player in the first round to a terrible knee injury. you think the heat make it out of the first round if lebron goes down in the first round? The year before that they got beat by a better team in the ECF.

 

insinuating that they aren't winning makes me question whether you live on earth or are posting from the surface of the moon.

 

They key phrase is "better team." It was doubted by the most professional of opinions that the Bulls could even beat the heat in an ECF scenario. The Bulls success last year was hinging on Rip and Rose being able to stay healthy because they were hurt many times during the season. They weren't a clear favorite, so sitting here and blaming everything due to Rose being hurt is silly. Even if he wasn't hurt you're assuming he'll come in after said injuries and play at MVP caliber. As we saw, the Heat were a better team their second time around and the jury was out on the Bulls being better then the previous year.

 

The Heat went to 7 games in the ECF against the freaking Celtics and nearly lost. Nobody knows what would've happened if the Bulls had been healthy. Neither you or "the most professional of opinions", whatever that means.

 

Yes lets ignore Bosh's injury. The Heat took a major injury to a weak spot on their team and won the ECF despite the adversity. They didn't even use a true center.

 

yea, and let's ignore avery bradley's injury. or ray allen and paul pierce playing hurt.

 

they needed 7 games to beat a banged up celtics team that needed 7 games to beat philly (a team that the bulls almost beat without rose and noah)

[Sammy Sofa]

What major trade do you think they've missed out on? Taking on Joe Johnson's horrible contract? Trading for Dwight Howard?

 

I'd like to see them jump into the Howard sweepstakes. If the Nets get Deron Williams, they won't have room for Dwight unless they gut their entire roster which leaves them with D League fodder on the bench. This is obviously contingent on ORL accepting the deal. The Nets are apprehensive about doing that, so that would leave Dwight in the cold with no teams on his "list." The Bulls can jump into the fold and offer an attractive package while perhaps recruiting Derrick to help make a pitch for them. I think this is very doable, but from what I gather management and Derrick are unwilling to employ the necessary strategy to get him.

 

They seem to think like they can win as is.

 

Or they think it's not worth the hassle/loss since he's likely to not stick around after one year. You've got a good FA class coming up in 2014 and they'll have money, so it's not like they need to look for ways to win now like their window is on the verge of closing.

[davell]

I see where CV is coming from. I don't see this Bulls team, without an elite 2nd scorer, winning it all. Yes, I'd rather be very good, than average or shitty. But I want to see them win it all and don't see it happening as they're currently constituted. And I don't see the effort coming from the FO, to make it happen. It could be happening and we're not privvy to it. But when you're this close, you want to see effort and signing Kirk Hinrich doesn't do it for me. With Rose's future iffy, as to whether he gets all the way back, and if he does, how long does it take? I was and still am in favor of making major changes, because I see extremely little hope for next year. But with the pieces we have, plus future assets, I can see another run at a championship once we get past this upcoming year. But some changes do need to be made.

[Sammy Sofa]

Making major changes based mainly on this coming year is exceedingly stupid and overreacting due to the unusual nature of the season with Rose missing so much time. You also can't force something that isn't available; if there isn't a star-level scorer to be had for the right money or the right trade right now you can't just make it happen out of thin air. Assuming their sitting pat only because they're "happy with the team as is" is a faulty assumption. Again, 2014 will have a bunch of good FA options available. It's hardly the end of the world if they basically go into this coming season as is.

[Magnetic Curses]

What major trade do you think they've missed out on? Taking on Joe Johnson's horrible contract? Trading for Dwight Howard?

 

I'd like to see them jump into the Howard sweepstakes. If the Nets get Deron Williams, they won't have room for Dwight unless they gut their entire roster which leaves them with D League fodder on the bench. This is obviously contingent on ORL accepting the deal. The Nets are apprehensive about doing that, so that would leave Dwight in the cold with no teams on his "list." The Bulls can jump into the fold and offer an attractive package while perhaps recruiting Derrick to help make a pitch for them. I think this is very doable, but from what I gather management and Derrick are unwilling to employ the necessary strategy to get him.

 

They seem to think like they can win as is.

 

but you seem mad as to what they did or didn't do last offseason, as well. what move did they fail to make there?

[davell]

Making major changes based mainly on this coming year is exceedingly stupid and overreacting due to the unusual nature of the season with Rose missing so much time. You also can't force something that isn't available; if there isn't a star-level scorer to be had for the right money or the right trade right now you can't just make it happen out of thin air. Assuming their sitting pat only because they're "happy with the team as is" is a faulty assumption. Again, 2014 will have a bunch of good FA options available. It's hardly the end of the world if they basically go into this coming season as is.

I'm aware of that, which is why I mentioned we may not know what's going on. Personally, I think we should be in the middle of this Dwight stuff. Because outside of the Lakers offering Bynum, I don't see another team beating Deng and Noah in an offer.

[Banedon]

What major trade do you think they've missed out on? Taking on Joe Johnson's horrible contract? Trading for Dwight Howard?

 

I'd like to see them jump into the Howard sweepstakes. If the Nets get Deron Williams, they won't have room for Dwight unless they gut their entire roster which leaves them with D League fodder on the bench. This is obviously contingent on ORL accepting the deal. The Nets are apprehensive about doing that, so that would leave Dwight in the cold with no teams on his "list." The Bulls can jump into the fold and offer an attractive package while perhaps recruiting Derrick to help make a pitch for them. I think this is very doable, but from what I gather management and Derrick are unwilling to employ the necessary strategy to get him.

 

They seem to think like they can win as is.

 

Howard has made abundantly clear that he wants nothing to do with Chicago. It's really time to let go.

 

Maybe we should have a group therapy session on the issue.

[Sammy Sofa]

Making major changes based mainly on this coming year is exceedingly stupid and overreacting due to the unusual nature of the season with Rose missing so much time. You also can't force something that isn't available; if there isn't a star-level scorer to be had for the right money or the right trade right now you can't just make it happen out of thin air. Assuming their sitting pat only because they're "happy with the team as is" is a faulty assumption. Again, 2014 will have a bunch of good FA options available. It's hardly the end of the world if they basically go into this coming season as is.

I'm aware of that, which is why I mentioned we may not know what's going on. Personally, I think we should be in the middle of this Dwight stuff. Because outside of the Lakers offering Bynum, I don't see another team beating Deng and Noah in an offer.

 

But Dwight doesn't want to play here.

[davell]

Banedon, whether Howard wants to be here or not has nothing to do with it. If you teade for him, it gives you a year to try and convince him to stay. It also gives you a better chance at a title for this upcoming season, if Rose comes back healthy. If Rose does NOT come back this year and Dwight looks like he'll leave, then trade him at the deadline or over the offseason in a S&T, because it's still very likely that whatever teams he'd be wanting to go to, won't have the capspace to sign him anyway. But, it'd give you tons of flexibility heading towards 2014 as well, by doing this. You could amnesty Boozer and go into that offseason with Rose and a few draft picks, plus Mirotic and maybe Taj.

[cubbyvirus00]

What major trade do you think they've missed out on? Taking on Joe Johnson's horrible contract? Trading for Dwight Howard?

 

I'd like to see them jump into the Howard sweepstakes. If the Nets get Deron Williams, they won't have room for Dwight unless they gut their entire roster which leaves them with D League fodder on the bench. This is obviously contingent on ORL accepting the deal. The Nets are apprehensive about doing that, so that would leave Dwight in the cold with no teams on his "list." The Bulls can jump into the fold and offer an attractive package while perhaps recruiting Derrick to help make a pitch for them. I think this is very doable, but from what I gather management and Derrick are unwilling to employ the necessary strategy to get him.

 

They seem to think like they can win as is.

 

but you seem mad as to what they did or didn't do last offseason, as well. what move did they fail to make there?

 

I think Rip was a great addition. I wasn't too upset about the last offseason as I think that the Bulls definitely deserved a second go with the team as constructed. Reminder: this is before Lebron went HAM and decided to play like a MVP in the playoffs. I would have liked Butler to get more minutes though.

 

Dwight's feelings will change if he is locked out of the Nets situation. The one team he really wanted to go to might have moved on without him. I would love to see an all in strategy with him and an attempt to convince him that this is the spot he wants to go, if he wants to win. He can be had because there are 4-5 other teams right NOW trying to trade for him.

Edited July 3, 2012 by cubbyvirus00

[cubbyvirus00]

Banedon, whether Howard wants to be here or not has nothing to do with it. If you teade for him, it gives you a year to try and convince him to stay. It also gives you a better chance at a title for this upcoming season, if Rose comes back healthy. If Rose does NOT come back this year and Dwight looks like he'll leave, then trade him at the deadline or over the offseason in a S&T, because it's still very likely that whatever teams he'd be wanting to go to, won't have the capspace to sign him anyway. But, it'd give you tons of flexibility heading towards 2014 as well, by doing this. You could amnesty Boozer and go into that offseason with Rose and a few draft picks, plus Mirotic and maybe Taj.

 

+1. The worst thing that happens is you get Deng and Noah's salary off the books plus you obtain something for Howard IF he wants to leave. Even more space for the 2014 FA class.

 

Howard does have an affinity for Rose, I think if he's traded for and is shown love in Chicago then he'll want to stay.

[Banedon]

Banedon, whether Howard wants to be here or not has nothing to do with it. If you teade for him, it gives you a year to try and convince him to stay. It also gives you a better chance at a title for this upcoming season, if Rose comes back healthy. If Rose does NOT come back this year and Dwight looks like he'll leave, then trade him at the deadline or over the offseason in a S&T, because it's still very likely that whatever teams he'd be wanting to go to, won't have the capspace to sign him anyway. But, it'd give you tons of flexibility heading towards 2014 as well, by doing this. You could amnesty Boozer and go into that offseason with Rose and a few draft picks, plus Mirotic and maybe Taj.

 

That's a big gamble. You'd have to trade Noah, and probably Taj, plus picks, and you don't know if you get to keep Howard. And why would we want to take on the "Trade Dwight" drama? He'll still only want to go to certain places. It's just a mess I don't think the Bulls want anything to do with without an extension.

[WrigleyField 22]

I'd trade Deng and Noah for Dwight if I am confident the Nets won't be able to clear cap room for 2013. So basically if they were to extend Williams, finalize the JJ trade and extend Lopez. But if there's any chance they'd be able to shed salary I'm not dealing for a unextended Dwight. As it stands, I could write the script. Dwight plays here with Rose for about 20 awesome games and then bolts to Brooklyn for some absurd reason.

 

 

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[Banedon]

The worst thing that happens is you get Deng and Noah's salary off the books plus you obtain something for Howard IF he wants to leave.

 

Lost draft picks as well.