Dempster Traded to Texas for 3B Villanueva & RHP Hendricks

[Little Slide Rooter]

Dodgers get

Ryan Dempster

Carlos Quentin

 

 

Padres get

Garrett Gould

Junior Lake or a Cubs top 15-20 prospect

James Russell

 

Cubs Get

Chase Headley

Dodgers top 20 prospect, ideally pitching

 

Nobody seems to be getting screwed. Dodgers getting a hell of a lot more for essentially what they were willing to trade for Carlos Lee.

 

Yes? No?

 

You have the Cubs giving up and taking a similar prospect which basically means they're getting Chase Headley for a couple months of Dempster and Russell. Then the Padres are giving away their best two trade chips a reliever and a good, but not great, prospect. I'd say the Padres are getting screwed pretty hard. They'd want more than that just from Headley alone.

 

You beat me to the edit, in which the Dodgers get LaHair and the Padres another top 20 guy. Padres were supposedly interested in Rusell in the pre season talks for Headley. Rusell's been great in parts of 3 seasons aside from his ill advised stint as a starter. He's 26 has 3 years of team control and is looking like a legit back end reliever, and the left handedness is a bonus.

[Cubswin11]

Dodgers get

Ryan Dempster

Carlos Quentin

Bryan LaHair

 

Padres get

Garrett Gould

Junior Lake or a Cubs top 15-20 prospect

James Russell

Dodgers top 20 prospect

 

Cubs Get

Chase Headley

Dodgers top 20 prospect, ideally pitching

 

Nobody seems to be getting screwed. Dodgers getting a hell of a lot more for essentially what they were willing to trade for Carlos Lee.

 

Yes? No?

Padres would probably need to be getting 2 of Lake/Candelario/Jackson/Szczur and probably Lee instead of Gould for them to consider that.

[Backtobanks]

I'm sure Jed wouldn't make a deal without consulting with Theo before finalizing it.

 

There's no way Jed is on the phone with another GM and says "sounds good, let me ask my boss." If that's how it goes, the other GMs would just talk to Theo. Jed knows what's acceptable and what's not or he wouldn't have the job.

 

Of course Jed wouldn't say "sounds good, let me ask my boss." , he would say "I'll get back to you." When Theo was hired, he was given complete autonomy over all baseball operations and decisions. Also, let's not forget that Theo could not leave the Red Sox for a parallel position (GM), which is why he was given the promotional title with the Cubs. Make no mistake about it Theo is in charge of making any serious deals that will be made.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Dodgers get

Ryan Dempster

Carlos Quentin

Bryan LaHair

 

Padres get

Garrett Gould

Junior Lake or a Cubs top 15-20 prospect

James Russell

Dodgers top 20 prospect

 

Cubs Get

Chase Headley

Dodgers top 20 prospect, ideally pitching

 

Nobody seems to be getting screwed. Dodgers getting a hell of a lot more for essentially what they were willing to trade for Carlos Lee.

 

Yes? No?

Padres would probably need to be getting 2 of Lake/Candelario/Jackson/Szczur and probably Lee instead of Gould for them to consider that.

 

Perhaps take Quentin off the table and the Dodgers prospect away from the Padres. Looks like the Dodgers are getting screwed, but again, this is what they were willing to give up for Carlos Lee, and here they're getting an upgrade over Loney and a front end starter, giving them the flexibility to trade Harang for another bat, assuming that they trust Eovoldi with the 5 spot and/or expect Lilly back by the post season.

 

We get a quality bat at an in need position. We could then thing about moving Vitters to left long term, assuming he continues to progress and a decent pitching prospect, who would probably immediately slot into one of our top 3-5 pitching prospects.

 

Padres get a potential top 100 pitching prospect, a very good, young back end reliever, and a decent prospect.

[CoolHandLuke]

If we don't trade Dempster, and then offer him the 1 year, 12.5 million dollar contract (or whatever it is that is needed to get draft pick compensation), does he accept that deal?

[Guest]

@georgeofman Dodger's pitching prospects Chris Withrow and Garret Gould could entice Theo to trade Dempster to L.A.

[Cubswin11]

@georgeofman Dodger's pitching prospects Chris Withrow and Garret Gould could entice Theo to trade Dempster to L.A.

That would be a pretty solid trade, but that tweet seems nothing more than throwing [expletive] at the fall

[davell]

I'd be fine with that return. Selfishly hoping for more, but it's solid. Gould becomes our top pitching prospect immediately. Withrow? What the hell happened to him? Putting him in the pen probably is the right move, but who knows?

[Elrhino]

I just don't see teams willing to give up multiple MLB ready players for a 2-3 month rental like Dempster. If its multiple players, it'll be 2 single A guys

 

I think maybe a good comparison/precedent is Seattle shipping Jerrod Washburn to Detroit at the deadline in 2009. Washburn was 34 years old, in the last year of his contract, and was having a great/lucky first half of the season after a pretty mediocre career and dramatically overpaid previous 3 seasons. (He crashed back to earth with the Tigers the 2nd half of the season, and ended up retiring in the offseason after finding a soft market in free agency).

 

The Mariners got 23 year old Luke French, who had already made it to the big leagues as an injury fill in starter that season (and performed well) but was a soft tossing low upside lefty, and Mauricio Robles a 20-year-old lefty who threw in the high 90s and was excelling at the High-A level at the time. So basically the Mariners got a cheap major league ready back of the rotation guy + a high ceiling high A guy. Dempster has been more consistently good than Washburn was at the time, so I would expect at least that kind of return and probably a little more.

Edited July 12, 2012 by Elrhino

[rawaction]

I'd be fine with that return. Selfishly hoping for more, but it's solid. Gould becomes our top pitching prospect immediately. Withrow? What the hell happened to him? Putting him in the pen probably is the right move, but who knows?

 

I'd rather Tolleson over Withrow if the goal is to get a bullpen guy back. Not sure the Dodgers would do that, though. I actually like Withrow better as a starter, as he throws 4 pitches, IIRC and has a pretty decent sinker with a solid K rate.

[Tracer Bullet]

I'm sure Jed wouldn't make a deal without consulting with Theo before finalizing it.

 

There's no way Jed is on the phone with another GM and says "sounds good, let me ask my boss." If that's how it goes, the other GMs would just talk to Theo. Jed knows what's acceptable and what's not or he wouldn't have the job.

 

Of course Jed wouldn't say "sounds good, let me ask my boss." , he would say "I'll get back to you." When Theo was hired, he was given complete autonomy over all baseball operations and decisions. Also, let's not forget that Theo could not leave the Red Sox for a parallel position (GM), which is why he was given the promotional title with the Cubs. Make no mistake about it Theo is in charge of making any serious deals that will be made.

 

That doesn't make a lot of sense. Jed goes into discussions knowing the targets and what he can give up. If something is outside that range, I'm sure he discusses it with Theo. But the GM is not just a glorified secretary.

[Backtobanks]

@georgeofman Dodger's pitching prospects Chris Withrow and Garret Gould could entice Theo to trade Dempster to L.A.

I'm sure Jed wouldn't make a deal without consulting with Theo before finalizing it.

 

There's no way Jed is on the phone with another GM and says "sounds good, let me ask my boss." If that's how it goes, the other GMs would just talk to Theo. Jed knows what's acceptable and what's not or he wouldn't have the job.

 

Of course Jed wouldn't say "sounds good, let me ask my boss." , he would say "I'll get back to you." When Theo was hired, he was given complete autonomy over all baseball operations and decisions. Also, let's not forget that Theo could not leave the Red Sox for a parallel position (GM), which is why he was given the promotional title with the Cubs. Make no mistake about it Theo is in charge of making any serious deals that will be made.

 

That doesn't make a lot of sense. Jed goes into discussions knowing the targets and what he can give up. If something is outside that range, I'm sure he discusses it with Theo. But the GM is not just a glorified secretary.

 

Why doesn't it make sense? Any GM with a prized trade chip would ask for as much as possible and probably not accept immediately anything less, thus calling back later. Looking at TT's post, people know who is making the deals for the Cubs. As for Jed being a "glorified secretary", it's more like he's the assistant GM.

[Sammy Sofa]

He can't get the job done on his own like Monstroso could.

[RammyFanny]

From Offman:

Cubs have at least 2 deals on table for Dempster. One from Tigers including young lefty and from Dodgers for two pitching prospects.

Honestly, posts like those piss me off. If you're going to give us obvious "clues" that make it pretty easy to know who you're talking about, then just tell us the actual names in the first place.

[ctcf]

Still, I like the sounds of it.

[Guest]

From Offman:

Cubs have at least 2 deals on table for Dempster. One from Tigers including young lefty and from Dodgers for two pitching prospects.

Honestly, posts like those piss me off. If you're going to give us obvious "clues" that make it pretty easy to know who you're talking about, then just tell us the actual names in the first place.

 

That might be all he was told, or all he feels comfortable without burning his source of information. I wonder if they think they can fix Oliver's control problems.

[RammyFanny]

From Offman:

Cubs have at least 2 deals on table for Dempster. One from Tigers including young lefty and from Dodgers for two pitching prospects.

Honestly, posts like those piss me off. If you're going to give us obvious "clues" that make it pretty easy to know who you're talking about, then just tell us the actual names in the first place.

 

That might be all he was told, or all he feels comfortable without burning his source of information. I wonder if they think they can fix Oliver's control problems.

Oliver, Crosby, and Smyly would be who he's referring to i'm assuming. Who knows which, though I doubt they'd want to move Smyly. I forgot about Oliver actually, but i'm not all that interested.

[davell]

Adam Wilk could also be the lefty he's talking about. As for the Dodgers, he tweeted a couple of days ago Gould and Withrow could be two arms that interest the Cubs, so that could easily be the package from them.

[Tryptamine]

Unless it's Smyly, Gould and Withrow seems to be the best rumored so far. I'd be pretty happy with that.

[Magnetic Curses]

From Offman:

Cubs have at least 2 deals on table for Dempster. One from Tigers including young lefty and from Dodgers for two pitching prospects.

Honestly, posts like those piss me off. If you're going to give us obvious "clues" that make it pretty easy to know who you're talking about, then just tell us the actual names in the first place.

 

those dodger arms have to be guys we've been talking about. eovaldi and gould please.

[Guest]

Adam Wilk could also be the lefty he's talking about. As for the Dodgers, he tweeted a couple of days ago Gould and Withrow could be two arms that interest the Cubs, so that could easily be the package from them.

 

Somebody should ask him that and see what he says.

[Bote McBoteface]

If we're set on trading him and we have good deals on the table, why are we risking him getting injured during his meaningless start today?

[davell]

If it's Detroit, I'd take Crosby over Smyly. Upside is higher. Yeah, the floor is lower too obviously, but I think I'd go that route. And I'm not sure I wouldn't take him over Gould and Withrow. It's a tossup for me. Crosby has the higher upside and is closer to the majors, not to mention being a hard throwing lefty helps his cause too. Gould is projectable, but seems much more like an eventual 3/4 than a potential frontline guy, which Crosby has the potential to become. But his injury history is a red flag. So on most prospect lists, these two guys seem to both show up in the 150ish range. Rightfully so, for varying things. If these are the guys, I'd be happy with the trade. Solid return for half a season of Dempster.

[davell]

If we're set on trading him and we have good deals on the table, why are we risking him getting injured during his meaningless start today?

Trying to get more. Turn Crosby into Turner or turn Gould into Eovaldi. A bad outing probably doesn't affect Demp's value, since he's really due for one. Injury is a risk, but I'll defer to our guys making the call.

[dew1679666265]

Trying to get more. Turn Crosby into Turner or turn Gould into Eovaldi. A bad outing probably doesn't affect Demp's value, since he's really due for one. Injury is a risk, but I'll defer to our guys making the call.

 

There's also the possibility that the deals are on the table pending him proving again that he's healthy. They may want to see him make it through one more start healthy before they feel comfortable enough to do the deal.