Re: What would you deal Garza for?

[Splendid Splinter]

Matt Garza is available for the right offer, reports ESPN's Buster Olney (Twitter links). The Yankees have interest and Olney speculates that the Blue Jays could be a fit given their need for high-end starting pitching and cache of tradeable prospects.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/06/chicago-cubs-rumors-saturday.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

 

 

Please.... Hopefully Blue Jays would want Garza or Dempster. They got a lot of pieces that I'm interested in.

[davell]

Best case scenario for us: Trade Dempster extremely soon, before his numbers start to look pedestrian. Land a return of a guy that slots into our own top 10 prospects and 2 more that slot into our top 30. KG said we'd easily be able to get a top 10 organizational guy for him, so get it done ASAP.

 

Wait out Garza until much closer to the deadline, giving him time to pitch better than he has so far. Use the AL East against each other, throw your best offer out to him on an extension(must not be as easy as 5/80ish or it'd probably be done already), if he declines, take the best offer. Probably 2 top 100 guys and 2 more guys we can again slot into the back end of our top 30.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Best case scenario for us: Trade Dempster extremely soon, before his numbers start to look pedestrian. Land a return of a guy that slots into our own top 10 prospects and 2 more that slot into our top 30. KG said we'd easily be able to get a top 10 organizational guy for him, so get it done ASAP.

 

Wait out Garza until much closer to the deadline, giving him time to pitch better than he has so far. Use the AL East against each other, throw your best offer out to him on an extension(must not be as easy as 5/80ish or it'd probably be done already), if he declines, take the best offer. Probably 2 top 100 guys and 2 more guys we can again slot into the back end of our top 30.

 

It seems like there is a starting pitching glut on the market this year. Unless someone really just has to have Garza and won't settle for anyone else, it's hard to see the return being too crazy awesome.

[davell]

I don't see a glut at all. Maybe Wandy Rodriguez? I don't see Greinke and Marcum being available personally. And even if they are, teams vying for the postseason are going to wonder the exact same thing we do with Greinke anyway. Can he hold up in a big market? Garza's the best possible guy out there, unless the M's decide to float Felix, which again, I doubt.

[rawaction]

Best case scenario for us: Trade Dempster extremely soon, before his numbers start to look pedestrian. Land a return of a guy that slots into our own top 10 prospects and 2 more that slot into our top 30. KG said we'd easily be able to get a top 10 organizational guy for him, so get it done ASAP.

 

Wait out Garza until much closer to the deadline, giving him time to pitch better than he has so far. Use the AL East against each other, throw your best offer out to him on an extension(must not be as easy as 5/80ish or it'd probably be done already), if he declines, take the best offer. Probably 2 top 100 guys and 2 more guys we can again slot into the back end of our top 30.

 

It seems like there is a starting pitching glut on the market this year. Unless someone really just has to have Garza and won't settle for anyone else, it's hard to see the return being too crazy awesome.

 

AL East teams seem to value pitchers that have pitched well in the AL East before. IMO, the Yankees, Sox and Jays will value that Garza has shown he can get out the Yankees, Sox, and Jays.

[RammyFanny]

Bowden made up 3 hypothetical trades we should do.

 

1) Dempster for Kris Medlen and Mike Minor (Braves)

2) Garza for Turner And Castellanos (Tigers)

3) Lahair for Lonnie Chisenhall and Nick Hagadone (Indians)

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/post?id=4137

[Clem Fandango]

Bowden made up 3 hypothetical trades we should do.

 

1) Dempster for Kris Medlen and Mike Minor (Braves)

2) Garza for Turner And Castellanos (Tigers)

3) Lahair for Lonnie Chisenhall and Nick Hagadone (Indians)

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/post?id=4137

 

Chisenhall AND Hagadone for LaHair? I think that's a bit of a stretch there.

 

I like the other two, but I don't see the Dempster one being possible. I think Minor still holds a lot of value in that organization, especially since their elite pitching depth isn't looking so elite due to injuries and regression.

[El Duderino]

That's an awful return for Dempster. Hope we can get more than that.

[davell]

It'd be tempting to do all 3. I think that's solid value for Dempster and LaHair personally. I'm loving Castellanos, but am not as high on Turner now as I was.

[El Duderino]

Mike Minor sucks.

[Clem Fandango]

Mike Minor sucks.

 

Mike Minor isn't anywhere close to reaching his potential. He'd be a good buy low candidate, IMO. I like Minor, despite his struggles, if he puts it together he could be a very good pitcher. And really, what are you expecting in terms of MLB talent for a half year rental of a 35 year old pitcher?

[El Duderino]

Mike Minor sucks.

 

Mike Minor isn't anywhere close to reaching his potential. He'd be a good buy low candidate, IMO. I like Minor, despite his struggles, if he puts it together he could be a very good pitcher. And really, what are you expecting in terms of MLB talent for a half year rental of a 35 year old pitcher?

 

A guy that hasn't been horrific in a full season's worth of ML starts.

[javy knows my name]

I thought that was too much for Demp. I wouldn't think hard about the deal at all.

 

I'd love that return for LaHair, too. Definitely pass on that Garza one, though. Replace Turner with Smyly and we'll talk.

[Clem Fandango]

Mike Minor sucks.

 

Mike Minor isn't anywhere close to reaching his potential. He'd be a good buy low candidate, IMO. I like Minor, despite his struggles, if he puts it together he could be a very good pitcher. And really, what are you expecting in terms of MLB talent for a half year rental of a 35 year old pitcher?

 

A guy that hasn't been horrific in a full season's worth of ML starts.

 

Yeah and at the ages of 23 and 24 180 innings is a good indicator to pass on a guy who, just last year, was a top MLB pitching prospect. Good logic there. Let's pass on the big potential of a young, under-control-for-several-more-years pitcher with a good pedigree because he hasn't cut the mustard in parts of two seasons.

 

This player, over the course of two partial seasons totaling a full seasons worth of starts (more or less), at the age of 23 and 24, put up this line...

 

6.09ERA 29GS 9W-10L 173IP 140K 79ERA+ 10.6H/9 3.5BB/9 7.3K/9

 

He was a top prospect in baseball before his age 23 season.

 

Would you trade Dempster for that if you knew it was Roy Halladay?

[RammyFanny]

I thought that was too much for Demp. I wouldn't think hard about the deal at all.

 

I'd love that return for LaHair, too. Definitely pass on that Garza one, though. Replace Turner with Smyly and we'll talk.

Any deal with Castellanos I think has to be at least considered given the ridiculous year he's having.

[KaiserCesar]

I thought that was too much for Demp. I wouldn't think hard about the deal at all.

 

I'd love that return for LaHair, too. Definitely pass on that Garza one, though. Replace Turner with Smyly and we'll talk.

Any deal with Castellanos I think has to be at least considered given the ridiculous year he's having.

 

He's got a .497 babip, but has also improved the walk and K rates. I don't think that's enough to not require an elite pitching talent in return for Garza.

[davell]

Boston, with Barnes as the headliner or Toronto, with tons of options, is where I'd move Garza to. Just don't like what the Yanks have, unsure of the Tigers right now, and not sure who else could even be in the mix.

[toonsterwu]

Boston, with Barnes as the headliner or Toronto, with tons of options, is where I'd move Garza to. Just don't like what the Yanks have, unsure of the Tigers right now, and not sure who else could even be in the mix.

 

Eh ... I don't know about Barnes as a headliner. As a very good 2nd piece to a deal, that would be nice. But I still think Barnes is a more of a very good mid-rotation projection, a "2" ceiling perhaps, and I'm just not that in love with the idea of him as a centerpiece.

 

That said, a lot will depend on how Garza is going at the time, and how much of a bidding war could we get going.

[toonsterwu]

Bowden made up 3 hypothetical trades we should do.

 

1) Dempster for Kris Medlen and Mike Minor (Braves)

2) Garza for Turner And Castellanos (Tigers)

3) Lahair for Lonnie Chisenhall and Nick Hagadone (Indians)

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/post?id=4137

 

In terms of value, all three would be fine.

 

That said, I wouldn't do all three deals. If we deal for Castellanos, I would want something other than an upper level 3rd base candidate for LaHair (and I would prefer Castellanos over Chisenhall, who I've never been huge on).

 

Statistically, it looks like a good time to gamble on Minor. Obviously, the scouts and pitching coaches would be able to offer more insight as to whether or not his issues are correctable, but Minor still looks like a possible mid-rotation lefty, and Medlen is either a decent end of the rotation type arm with some ceiling, or a good pen arm. That's a trade for Dempster that I would love to get.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Bowden made up 3 hypothetical trades we should do.

 

1) Dempster for Kris Medlen and Mike Minor (Braves)

2) Garza for Turner And Castellanos (Tigers)

3) Lahair for Lonnie Chisenhall and Nick Hagadone (Indians)

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/post?id=4137

 

1. 3 months of 35 year old pitcher for a young, possible front end starter and a reliable reliever

2. Garza, who we may or not be able to extend past 2013 for a guy who's likely to be a top 10-25 prospect AND a young potential front end starter

3. A 29 year old rookie who's replacement is chomping at the bit for a 23 year old recent top 25 prospect and a decent young 3B we could either keep and trade Vitters or trade him?

 

I want all 3 now! Now! Now!

[toonsterwu]

Matt Garza is available for the right offer, reports ESPN's Buster Olney (Twitter links). The Yankees have interest and Olney speculates that the Blue Jays could be a fit given their need for high-end starting pitching and cache of tradeable prospects.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/06/chicago-cubs-rumors-saturday.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

 

 

Please.... Hopefully Blue Jays would want Garza or Dempster. They got a lot of pieces that I'm interested in.

 

This is more my random commentary for the moment - There's a tiny part of me that thinks the Blue Jays system that is slightly over-hyped in some respects. Now, it's not the way I feel about the Padres system, as there is definitely some fascinating ceiling in the Blue Jays system, but outside of d'Arnaud ... who likely is untouchable ... it's a lot of raw assets nice, but few quality upper levels chips.

 

Nicolino's nice, but he's end of the rotation with some mid-rotation ceiling nice and only in A+. lI don't know if I wouldn't prefer a gamble on someone like Adonys Cardona over someone like Nicolino. Syndegaard and Sanchez are the two arms that intrigue, but I can't shake the feeling that Sanchez might end up in the pen as he moves up the ladder. Marisnick is ... raw ... but intriguing. Probably safer than Gose, but still a work in progress on the power/contact front. I like Hechavarria, but I'm not sure how much offense he offers in the bigs.

 

Don't get me wrong, they can still put together a fascinating trade that would likely have everyone buzzing. But .... there's a lot of risk in the lower levels and several of those guys will likely struggle to reach ceilings that people have projected for them, and assuming d'Arnaud is untouchable ... there aren't many solid upper-level chips to build a trade around. I guess, assuming d'Arnaud is untouchable ... I'd want something like (assuming Garza is pitching well), Syndegaard, Marisnick, and Sanchez. Even then ... that's three lower level assets, a big gamble in a trade like this, even with the type of upside those guys offer, and there stands a good chance that they might say no on giving up all three. I just wonder if people realize how ... raw ... and far away ... some of these prime Blue Jays prospects are. A guy like Drew Hutchinson is a nice, intriguing guy in the upper levels, and maybe he'd be a solid third piece in a deal, but I'm sort of hoping for better ceiling than Hutchinson as part of the first two pieces of a Garza trade.

 

That said, again, a lot depends on how Garza is pitching at the time.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Lol at the Indians giving us Chisenhall for Bryan effing LaHair.

[Clem Fandango]

Too bad Jim Bowden isn't everyone else's GM

[Little Slide Rooter]

Lol at the Indians giving us Chisenhall for Bryan effing LaHair.

 

The only one of those deals that seems even remotely possible is the Garza one, and I know that a lot of people here disagree with the sentiment, but I'd take it and run without a moment's hesitation.

[Little Slide Rooter]

@BleacherNation: #Cubs: Cubs Rumor: The New York Yankees Really Want Matt Garza http://t.co/f8oOjaHp

 

We've known for a while that the Yankees want Garza. Now we know that they really want him. Perhaps we should hold out for a pretty please, maybe even with sugar in top.

 

With the stock of B & B each on the decline, the Yankees really don't have much that I'd really want. However, with two of baseball's top front offices on the case, they stand a good chance of working something out, perhaps a 3 way deal of some sort.