Re: What would you deal Garza for?

[Guest]

because it's dumb to move baez to third right now

Well that explains it. Most scouts don't think Baez is going to be playing SS when he reaches MLB.

 

Even if scouts weren't changing their minds on that, why would you rush that decision when it doesn't need to be rushed and provides no benefit?

 

It does some provide some benefit to start learning the position earlier. But as one of the writers said recently, a SS/3B transition is one of the easier ones for a player to make. And the benefits of sticking at SS are so much more valuable than 3rd that you really shouldn't move a player until the chances are a lot lower than Baez's of sticking there.

 

I believe Kevin Goldstein said that and he's completely accurate. The shift from SS to 3B is definitely one of the easiest in all of baseball.

[rawaction]

because it's dumb to move baez to third right now

Well that explains it. Most scouts don't think Baez is going to be playing SS when he reaches MLB.

 

Even if scouts weren't changing their minds on that, why would you rush that decision when it doesn't need to be rushed and provides no benefit?

 

It does some provide some benefit to start learning the position earlier. But as one of the writers said recently, a SS/3B transition is one of the easier ones for a player to make. And the benefits of sticking at SS are so much more valuable than 3rd that you really shouldn't move a player until the chances are a lot lower than Baez's of sticking there.

 

I believe Kevin Goldstein said that and he's completely accurate. The shift from SS to 3B is definitely one of the easiest in all of baseball.

 

Ripken, ARod, Hanley all did it in the prime-to-late prime of their careers without much struggle. Baez can definitely do it 2 years from now if necessary.

[davell]

Wood is starting Friday, to give Garza more time. He better get a start in by Monday, if we're going to have a shot at trading him, I guess.

[davell]

Colby Lewis out for the year with a torn ligament. Please make another start Matt, Olt could be on the line here.

[Clem Fandango]

Colby Lewis out for the year with a torn ligament. Please make another start Matt, Olt could be on the line here.

 

[CubsWin]

Colby Lewis out for the year with a torn ligament. Please make another start Matt, Olt could be on the line here.

How is Olt's defense at 3B?

[El Duderino]

Colby Lewis out for the year with a torn ligament. Please make another start Matt, Olt could be on the line here.

How is Olt's defense at 3B?

 

Fantastic.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Speaking of Olt:

 

Ben Badler ‏@BenBadler

Rangers 3B Mike Olt hits his 26th home run, now third in the minors and only two behind leader Wil Myers.

[El Duderino]

what I'm wondering is why Olt is still at AA

[toonsterwu]

Colby Lewis out for the year with a torn ligament. Please make another start Matt, Olt could be on the line here.

How is Olt's defense at 3B?

 

Fantastic.

 

Isn't fantastic a bit ... generous? I am a big Olt fan and would love to add him ... but there are a fair amount of folks that peg him as more average to above average.

[toonsterwu]

what I'm wondering is why Olt is still at AA

 

I expect he'll see AAA before season's end, but a random stab at their rationale for having him in AA would be

 

a) No rush. Beltre's in place, this is his first year in AA.

b) Getting him additional work with Profar next to him. While both guys are blocked, it never hurts to have them develop a rapport in case things surprise and both are at their respective positions in the bigs for the Rangers.

[toonsterwu]

I'm actually quite intrigued with the idea of a Dodgers pursuit of Garza, largely because their system is so pitching heavy, but also if they are willing to shop a possible elite arm like Lee. There aren't that many GM's where you feel like you could rob them of top talent, but Colletti feels like a candidate. If we could get Zach Lee and another quality arm (doesn't need to Eovaldi or Gould ... but obviously, it'd be nice if it was one of them), that would be a heck of a deal and would, assuming we get Delgado, give us some quality upper level SP arms to build forward with.

[Elrhino]

I'm not really into the Dodgers system since Lee's velocity has dropped this year. Eovaldi and Gould don't strike me as TOR pitchers. I'm not really interested in a couple of mid rotation pitchers for Garza. The only way I'm not getting a potential TOR arm in return for Garza is because a super-super stud positional player is the centerpiece. Even Mike Olt better come with a Martin Perez or Cody Buckel because Olt is 24 years old in AA with a really high strike out rate, and not someone I consider to be a super-super blue chip. Cubs have a very unique asset in 1.5 years of a proven TOR at 28 years old. If they can't find appropriate value, I'd rather just keep him.

[StarlinOnYou]

I'm not really into the Dodgers system since Lee's velocity has dropped this year. Eovaldi and Gould don't strike me as TOR pitchers. I'm not really interested in a couple of mid rotation pitchers for Garza. The only way I'm not getting a potential TOR arm in return for Garza is because a super-super stud positional player is the centerpiece. Even Mike Olt better come with a Martin Perez or Cody Buckel because Olt is 24 years old in AA with a really high strike out rate, and not someone I consider to be a super-super blue chip. Cubs have a very unique asset in 1.5 years of a proven TOR at 28 years old. If they can't find appropriate value, I'd rather just keep him.

 

I agree with all of this.

 

It seems many will be disappointed if we can't trade Garza which I can't seem to understand. We have a 28 year old TOR pitcher that we can resign and build around.

 

I have little interest in the Dodgers system. I just don't like the pieces outside of Zach Lee. I'd much rather prefer a trade with Texas, Toronto, or Boston.

 

I would love a Boston trade with Barnes coming this way.

 

Texas has a ton of interesting pieces - although I am not a huge Olt fan. I am very disappointed Detroit made that trade with Miami - I still was hoping for Castellanos.

 

I am not sure what other teams will look for pitching help, but Detroit & Atlanta are likely out of the market now.

[neely crenshaw]

it might add some value now that lewis is out for the season and probably then some. there were rumblings of interest this offseason.

angels staff is very off at the bottom, and although I think they want hamels, garza might be a good 2nd choice, especially since he is under contract.

It's not bad if garza is not dealt because he is under contract. obviously dempster is a priority because he is gone after this year BUT they idea is that garza's value would be highest right now with almost a year and half of service left. the plan seems to be rather than look to resign garza as a TOR pitcher,it would be better long term to trade him-get multiple prospects to help restock, amd then sign another free agent ace, so that we would have prospects and an ace for the same amount money basically.

my fear would be by not trading pieces, we put ourselves further behind, or at least don't dig out as quickly as we hope.

it's real important that he throws and seems 100%, if not he will never clear waivers so a deal will be off until the off-season

[davell]

According to Levine, the Cubs were looking for Castellanos, Turner, and Smyly in a deal for Garza.

[Schwarber Fan]

Garza won't make next start until Monday, he went home for the birth of his child.

 

 

Not to be insensitive but... YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME

 

[davell]

You forgot to mention, Monday, at the earliest. He hasn't thrown yet at all. This deadline sucks.

[Guest]

What an awful joke this deadline is becoming. This was supposed to be awesome.

[Guest]

You mean we might have to keep a good starting pitcher for 1.5 more prime years? Drat.

[Vinestal]

You mean we might have to keep a good starting pitcher for 1.5 more prime years? Drat.

Come on man...

This team isn't going to be competitive this season or next. We needed to restock the minors with good young talent and this deadline seemed like it was going to be a prime opportunity to do that. Now we are looking at the very real possibility of doing absolutely nothing. That's not a good thing anyway you want to look at it. Garza and Dempster probably aren't going to be around when this team is good again. They might sign Garza to an extension but Id really rather have a few top prospects at this point. How can anyone be happy with a situation where we don't trade either of what were suppose to be our 2 biggest pieces?

[Hatman]

...and the short trend of bad timing for naive-press-leak-hating and/or arm-crampy-pregnant-wife-veteran-trade-chip pitchers continues. Edited July 24, 2012 by Hatman

[davell]

You mean we might have to keep a good starting pitcher for 1.5 more prime years? Drat.

 

You're right and we're winning 70 games or less during that time. Makes complete sense.

[Guest]

You mean we might have to keep a good starting pitcher for 1.5 more prime years? Drat.

 

Do you want to re-sign him at the asking price that has been talked about (granted, it might go down after this season, but I doubt he'd be looking to lower his demands to re-sign long term with a last place team)? If not, I can't see us getting more value for him in the future.

[Guest]

...and the short trend of bad timing for naive-press-leak-hating and/or arm-crampy-pregnant-wife-veteran-trade-chip pitchers continues.

 

You are one hell of a lurker.