CJ Wilson thread: Signed by Angels 5/$77.5 million pg 10

[utkcub]

10 GS

1-5 WL

52.1 IP

43 SO

29 BB

4.82 ERA

-0.0398 WPA

 

CJ Wilson's Postseason stats, this doesn't warrant a long term six year deal... give him 4 years at 70 million please.

[ConstableRabbit]

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[NonProfitCow]

10 GS

1-5 WL

52.1 IP

43 SO

29 BB

4.82 ERA

-0.0398 WPA

 

CJ Wilson's Postseason stats, this doesn't warrant a long term six year deal... give him 4 years at 70 million please.

So, something in that 10 game sample size makes you think he won't be any good in years 5-6, but fine through 4?

[utkcub]

10 GS

1-5 WL

52.1 IP

43 SO

29 BB

4.82 ERA

-0.0398 WPA

 

CJ Wilson's Postseason stats, this doesn't warrant a long term six year deal... give him 4 years at 70 million please.

So, something in that 10 game sample size makes you think he won't be any good in years 5-6, but fine through 4?

It's a lot less risk is all I'm saying. The guy hasn't proven to be a gamer when in postseason competition; that's a big issue with me. It's great if he can get you there, it's not so great if your number one starter can't perform when it counts.

[ConstableRabbit]

He also has a 27.00 ERA in All-Star games.

[NonProfitCow]

10 GS

1-5 WL

52.1 IP

43 SO

29 BB

4.82 ERA

-0.0398 WPA

 

CJ Wilson's Postseason stats, this doesn't warrant a long term six year deal... give him 4 years at 70 million please.

So, something in that 10 game sample size makes you think he won't be any good in years 5-6, but fine through 4?

It's a lot less risk is all I'm saying. The guy hasn't proven to be a gamer when in postseason competition; that's a big issue with me. It's great if he can get you there, it's not so great if your number one starter can't perform when it counts.

He has a 2.95 ERA in the World Series. Looks like he has no trouble performing when it counts.

[NonProfitCow]

He also has a 27.00 ERA in All-Star games.

Career 54.00 ERA against the Brewers. Nothing but red flags with this guy.

[utkcub]

10 GS

1-5 WL

52.1 IP

43 SO

29 BB

4.82 ERA

-0.0398 WPA

 

CJ Wilson's Postseason stats, this doesn't warrant a long term six year deal... give him 4 years at 70 million please.

So, something in that 10 game sample size makes you think he won't be any good in years 5-6, but fine through 4?

It's a lot less risk is all I'm saying. The guy hasn't proven to be a gamer when in postseason competition; that's a big issue with me. It's great if he can get you there, it's not so great if your number one starter can't perform when it counts.

He has a 2.95 ERA in the World Series. Looks like he has no trouble performing when it counts.

They sure as hell didn't reach the Series because of his pitching.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

@Jim_Duquette

Jim Duquette

Source- Nats are the team offering 6th year to CJ Wilson.

[NonProfitCow]

They sure as hell didn't reach the Series because of his pitching.

I'm confused now. He's been very, very good over his last 67 regular season starts, and good in his 3 WS starts, which is "when it counts." But you wouldn't want to give him a 5th and 6th year because of 6 ALDS/ALCS starts spread out over 2 seasons? Sounds logical.

[dew1679666265]

It's a lot less risk is all I'm saying. The guy hasn't proven to be a gamer when in postseason competition; that's a big issue with me. It's great if he can get you there, it's not so great if your number one starter can't perform when it counts.

 

When looking at 10 games and 52 innings pitched, 1 bad game can massively alter a pitcher's numbers.

 

Is CC Sabathia not worth an elite contract? He has a 4.81 career postseason ERA with a 1.61 WHIP and 82:46 K:BB. How about Justin Verlander? 5.57 ERA with a 1.54 WHIP and 48:20 K:BB career in postseason. Or Zack Greinke? 6.48 ERA/1.62 WHIP/13:4 K:BB career in postseason play.

 

I would consider all of those pitchers to be elite pitchers and yet all of them have struggled in relatively minimal postseason samples. Just like the 2008 97-win Cubs team wasn't awful because they imploded in a three game sample size, a pitcher shouldn't be evaluated based on a handful of games in the postseason when he has two full seasons of excellent pitching that counter that.

[davell]

The 6 year deal is evidently from the Nats. Considering what they gave Werth last year, it's probably time to kiss this dream goodbye.

[davell]

And Rizzo says its BS. No 6 year offer from Nats.

[CyHawk_Cub]

Ugh, no 5+ year deals for a pitcher please

[ctcf]

jonmorosi Jon Morosi

Source: #Angels making a serious push to sign C.J. Wilson.

 

Perhaps they're the 6 year offer?

[UK1679666180]

Ok, you want me to use different terms?

 

He'll get paid like a star/impact pitcher rather than a strong avg. pitcher.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Ugh, no 5+ year deals for a pitcher please

 

Agreed, but next year if Hamels, Lincecum and Cain are avaialable I'll change my tune.

[Guest]

Ok, you want me to use different terms?

 

He'll get paid like a star/impact pitcher rather than a strong avg. pitcher.

 

How many star/impact pitchers are there? 5? Look at the guys ahead of him in value since he turned to starting.

 

Halladay - 20M AAV

Lee - 24M

Verlander - 16M (20M for FA years bought out)

Sabathia - 24M

Hernandez - 16M (19M for FA years bought out)

Haren - 11M (12M for FA years bought out)

Weaver - 17M (17.5M for FA years bought out)

Kershaw - 1st year Arbitration eligible

 

He's an elite pitcher that's a free agent, he's going to get elite money.

[UK1679666180]

Ok, you want me to use different terms?

 

He'll get paid like a star/impact pitcher rather than a strong avg. pitcher.

 

How many star/impact pitchers are there? 5? Look at the guys ahead of him in value since he turned to starting.

 

Halladay - 20M AAV

Lee - 24M

Verlander - 16M (20M for FA years bought out)

Sabathia - 24M

Hernandez - 16M (19M for FA years bought out)

Haren - 11M (12M for FA years bought out)

Weaver - 17M (17.5M for FA years bought out)

Kershaw - 1st year Arbitration eligible

 

He's an elite pitcher that's a free agent, he's going to get elite money.

 

Look at his swinging strike ratio, he was rather lucky given his K/9 for the amount of bats that actually swung and missed. He's, I don't see among the league's best in the duration of his contract, including the 1st 3 years (31-33).

[SouthSideRyan]

Ok, you want me to use different terms?

 

He'll get paid like a star/impact pitcher rather than a strong avg. pitcher.

 

Strong average pitcher is somehow more nonsensical than calling him a 2/3.

[Guest]

Ok, you want me to use different terms?

 

He'll get paid like a star/impact pitcher rather than a strong avg. pitcher.

 

Strong average pitcher is somehow more nonsensical than calling him a 2/3.

 

Seriously.

[Guest]

Somebody calling a guy who has been arguably a top 10 starting pitcher in the bigs over two seasons a "strong average" pitcher is making my head hurt.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

How about he just says that he doesn't believe that Wilson has the stuff to keep up his elite performance from recent years?

[Guest]

How about he just says that he doesn't believe that Wilson has the stuff to keep up his elite performance from recent years?

 

Which after 400 or so innings is pretty silly.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

How about he just says that he doesn't believe that Wilson has the stuff to keep up his elite performance from recent years?

 

Which after 400 or so innings is pretty silly.

 

How predictive is 400 innings? Honestly asking, not being sarcastic.